Magelight and Piercing Mark will lock out Shadow Cloak in Thieves Guild DLC

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
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That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

So you are saying that Magelight and Piercing Mark now will lock out the Shadow Cloak (and its morphs) ability for 5 secs, as will Piercing Mark for like 20-30 secs, which means everyone on the battlefield will now see the Nightblade and can be used indefinitely to maintain every 4 secs for Magelight and every 20 secs or more for piercing mark!!!! this is unacceptable, this is nerfing Nightblades in PvP too much, there are already counters available for use. No ability should lock out a class ability, also the AvA skill line exp is being lowered and alot more people will have access to Revealing Flare (and its morphs), not including all the other counters available.

Stealth I can understand, locking out a Class Ability (Shadow Cloak) that has passives tied to it is way too much, Fix it..

Note- from PTS patch notes, post: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171

craybest

I am a NB and even though an ability preventing re entering cloak for a short while is okay to me, it can't be something that can be constantly spammed so that the nb can not enter stealth ever again, that's just wrong.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Piercing Mark can be purged off. Now, if you mark me and I purge it off can I return to stealth in the update? If so, I'm not too worried about Piercing mark. Because a good NB can hide without getting caught and marked. Since one needs to see the target to mark him yes? I can count on my fingers how many times I got Piercing Marked in PvP.

Sav72

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whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Piercing Mark can be purged off. Now, if you mark me and I purge it off can I return to stealth in the update? If so, I'm not too worried about Piercing mark. Because a good NB can hide without getting caught and marked. Since one needs to see the target to mark him yes? I can count on my fingers how many times I got Piercing Marked in PvP.

it takes 3 purges to get Mark Target off you, not one.. do your research before commenting..

also anyone in your group will see the Person who was Marked..

Shadow Cloak get's locked out, as in Grayed out, it cannot be used.. so how are you supposed to hide..

Egonieser

craybest wrote: »

I am a NB and even though an ability preventing re entering cloak for a short while is okay to me, it can't be something that can be constantly spammed so that the nb can not enter stealth ever again, that's just wrong.

Build your NB so it doesn't have to rely on cloak all the time? Food for thought.
Current counters to cloaks are laughable at best and broken for the most part so magicka nightblades can stay cloaked indefinitely even between attacks. The only REAL counter to cloak is P.Mark, but even then the nightblade must first be taken out of stealth for you to apply it in the first place. More like a further prevention mechanism rather than a direct counter if you ask me.

This isn't The Invisible Man Online, one class having complete freedom to break away from fights and stay indefinitely invisible if one has enough magicka/regen is the thing that's too much.
Stamina nightblades can only cloak 2-3 times before they're dry so i dunno why they complain - not that it changes anything - not a skill that's very efficient to begin with, but for those pesky Magicka NB's who are perma-invisible - this will make them think twice about adding more sustain and defense to their arsenal so they can withstand a direct encounter without relying on the cowards way out.

So you got two options:
*Build a further and more powerful supergankbuild so you kill that fast you don't ever need to cloak after the initial burst..
*Look at other skills and armour sets provided to you by ZoS to actually make a build that can sustain and defend itself..

Time of the wannabe glass cannon-cloakaway-gankblades that want to gank with no repricussions is over, time for a reality check and come back down to Earth.

And surprise surprise, this actually comes from a player who plays a Nightblade as his primary character (two in fact, a stamina and magicka versions). So no, i am not biased, i just understand why the need for such changes is needed. Even being a NB myself - my biggest rivals are other NB's, even the so called OP sorcerers barely pose a threat unless they are horribly skilled and pimped out, i rarely have the need to cloak in a fair encounter as my utility skills provide the defense i need for a direct encounter. Plenty of CC, High regens, selfheals, buffs and enemy debuffs.
I built my character in a nice and balanced way so they can deal enough sustained damage, but when faced with a challenge - have enough defenses and utility at his disposal to put up a fight without having the need to stay invisible or run away all the time. If i can do that - so can you, nobody is stopping you. But if you refuse to do so because of some dumb sense of entitlement "but i wanna play how i want to play" - then really, enjoy being the meat, nuff said.

I do understand legit complaints about nerfs and changes to already broken and under-perfoming classes such as a templar, but Nightblades in this case are FAR from underperforming in any aspect of the game.

Ruben

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Shadow Cloak get's locked out, as in Grayed out, it cannot be used.. so how are you supposed to hide..

Exactly the same way as other classes. Did you know that we couldn't go to stealth if we were marked?

Anyways, ZOS should nerf this class that has that OP skill, Piercing Mark. Nerf them!

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Ruben wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Shadow Cloak get's locked out, as in Grayed out, it cannot be used.. so how are you supposed to hide..

Exactly the same way as other classes. Did you know that we couldn't go to stealth if we were marked?

Anyways, ZOS should nerf this class that has that OP skill, Piercing Mark. Nerf them!

not talking about stealth, it locks out a class ability for like 30 sec's..really, it cannot be used at all.. so the crit or damage reduction from Shadow Cloak and it's morphs cannot be activated as well as the Shadow Barrier passive now no longer works in conjunction.. also Veiled Strike with Shadow Cloak cannot be used..

Barlthump

Egonieser wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

I am a NB and even though an ability preventing re entering cloak for a short while is okay to me, it can't be something that can be constantly spammed so that the nb can not enter stealth ever again, that's just wrong.

Build your NB so it doesn't have to rely on cloak all the time? Food for thought.
Current counters to cloaks are laughable at best and broken for the most part so magicka nightblades can stay cloaked indefinitely even between attacks. The only REAL counter to cloak is P.Mark, but even then the nightblade must first be taken out of stealth for you to apply it in the first place. More like a further prevention mechanism rather than a direct counter if you ask me.

This isn't The Invisible Man Online, one class having complete freedom to break away from fights and stay indefinitely invisible if one has enough magicka/regen is the thing that's too much.
Stamina nightblades can only cloak 2-3 times before they're dry so i dunno why they complain - not that it changes anything - not a skill that's very efficient to begin with, but for those pesky Magicka NB's who are perma-invisible - this will make them think twice about adding more sustain and defense to their arsenal so they can withstand a direct encounter without relying on the cowards way out.

So you got two options:
*Build a further and more powerful supergankbuild so you kill that fast you don't ever need to cloak after the initial burst..
*Look at other skills and armour sets provided to you by ZoS to actually make a build that can sustain and defend itself..

Time of the wannabe glass cannon-cloakaway-gankblades that want to gank with no repricussions is over, time for a reality check and come back down to Earth.

And surprise surprise, this actually comes from a player who plays a Nightblade as his primary character (two in fact, a stamina and magicka versions). So no, i am not biased, i just understand why the need for such changes is needed. Even being a NB myself - my biggest rivals are other NB's, even the so called OP sorcerers barely pose a threat unless they are horribly skilled and pimped out.
I built my character in a nice and balanced way so they can deal enough sustained damage, but when faced with a challenge have enough defenses and utility at his disposal to put up a fight without having the need to stay invisible or run away all the time. If i can do that - so can you, nobody is stopping you. But if you refuse to do so because of some dumb sense of entitlement "but i wanna play how i want to play" - then really, enjoy being the meat, nuff said.

Im a stam nightblade main and yes I can only cloak 3 times at most, but that doesn't mean I don't use it to evade or get away from sticky situations. It's kind of unfair wouldn't you think? Why make the skill unusable? Give me a 8% minor protection buff but then if anyone marks me or magelights me I can't USE THE skill? Why not make the skill usable but still make it so that people can see me? No skill should block out the use of a skill. That's insane. It's like saying if I ambush a sorc, he can't use streak for 20 secs or if I surprise attack someone they can't use heals cause they are surprised. Whats the point of having shadow cloak on my bar, if the second I engage it's just gonna occupy a slot without helping me in anyway. My suggestion is simple, let me cast it, but make it so even if I go to stealth the person can see me. I'm all up for that cause at least I still get my protection buffs.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Barlthump wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

craybest wrote: »

I am a NB and even though an ability preventing re entering cloak for a short while is okay to me, it can't be something that can be constantly spammed so that the nb can not enter stealth ever again, that's just wrong.

Build your NB so it doesn't have to rely on cloak all the time? Food for thought.
Current counters to cloaks are laughable at best and broken for the most part so magicka nightblades can stay cloaked indefinitely even between attacks. The only REAL counter to cloak is P.Mark, but even then the nightblade must first be taken out of stealth for you to apply it in the first place. More like a further prevention mechanism rather than a direct counter if you ask me.

This isn't The Invisible Man Online, one class having complete freedom to break away from fights and stay indefinitely invisible if one has enough magicka/regen is the thing that's too much.
Stamina nightblades can only cloak 2-3 times before they're dry so i dunno why they complain - not that it changes anything - not a skill that's very efficient to begin with, but for those pesky Magicka NB's who are perma-invisible - this will make them think twice about adding more sustain and defense to their arsenal so they can withstand a direct encounter without relying on the cowards way out.

So you got two options:
*Build a further and more powerful supergankbuild so you kill that fast you don't ever need to cloak after the initial burst..
*Look at other skills and armour sets provided to you by ZoS to actually make a build that can sustain and defend itself..

Time of the wannabe glass cannon-cloakaway-gankblades that want to gank with no repricussions is over, time for a reality check and come back down to Earth.

And surprise surprise, this actually comes from a player who plays a Nightblade as his primary character (two in fact, a stamina and magicka versions). So no, i am not biased, i just understand why the need for such changes is needed. Even being a NB myself - my biggest rivals are other NB's, even the so called OP sorcerers barely pose a threat unless they are horribly skilled and pimped out.
I built my character in a nice and balanced way so they can deal enough sustained damage, but when faced with a challenge have enough defenses and utility at his disposal to put up a fight without having the need to stay invisible or run away all the time. If i can do that - so can you, nobody is stopping you. But if you refuse to do so because of some dumb sense of entitlement "but i wanna play how i want to play" - then really, enjoy being the meat, nuff said.

Im a stam nightblade main and yes I can only cloak 3 times at most, but that doesn't mean I don't use it to evade or get away from sticky situations. It's kind of unfair wouldn't you think? Why make the skill unusable? Give me a 8% minor protection buff but then if anyone marks me or magelights me I can't USE THE skill? Why not make the skill usable but still make it so that people can see me? No skill should block out the use of a skill. That's insane. It's like saying if I ambush a sorc, he can't use streak for 20 secs or if I surprise attack someone they can't use heals cause they are surprised. Whats the point of having shadow cloak on my bar, if the second I engage it's just gonna occupy a slot without helping me in anyway. My suggestion is simple, let me cast it, but make it so even if I go to stealth the person can see me. I'm all up for that cause at least I still get my protection buffs.

Yup totally agree here..

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

All Nightblades need to be aware of this, especially all the Magicka Nightblades....

Strider_Roshin

I've already taken it off my bar in preparation for it. It is nice 1vXing people, and not having to hear them blame cloak for it ;-)

gen_reynard2050

is OK....very very norm.. just another nerf... ZOS hate NB!

Artjuh90

@Egonieser no it's elder sorc online

Prabooo

What most people who play other classes won't understand is that it is not only because of invisibility that we use cloak, but to benefit from the passives of shadow abilities and the crit morph... but nerf NB's, right?

catalyst10e

Everyone who complains about being "locked out" of a skill apparently played a different game than me... Mass Hysteria locks me out from using anything for 4 seconds... yeah you can break free, but as a magicka sorc, and server lag that's not always an option. Cloak locked me out of using any single target abilities for it's entire duration, Reflective scales and defensive stance locks me out of using projectiles and an ulti (my main attacks, crystal frag, tangle webs, light/heavy attacks) for 4 seconds, that's just the spammable skills.

Shadow image can help you get away, using mass hysteria + Rapid Maneuver can get you the distance you need if you need to get away, start shield stacking like sorcs with healing ward, dampen magicka, and immovable brute maybe even toss in blur/shuffle, You have options that still make you a viable threat that dont rely on you bursting and disappearing. If your whole build breaks and becomes worthless because the counters to cloak were buffed, YOU'RE the precise person who caused this buff in the first place.

gen_reynard2050

maybe next ZOS should nerf sorc shield.... cannot stacking anymore...

craybest

*you're

khele23eb17_ESO

Wheres the skill that dispels shields and locks them out for 5 seconds while giving the user 10% weapon crit and 5% stamina just by being on the skill bar?

Strider_Roshin

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Wheres the skill that dispels shields and locks them out for 5 seconds while giving the user 10% weapon crit and 5% stamina just by being on the skill bar?

Yes please!

Kammakazi

Good.

Brutusmax1mus

The problem is for stamina night blades who have no access to shields or reliable heals. We will figure it out though. IMO this update seems to be removing the ability. Already tons of counters IF you know how to play. Now for magicka night blades it's a different story.

PrinceFabious

Wait, let me get this straight. Not only did you nerf cloak(which was a good change), you buff magelight AND buffed the hell out of mark target? I dont understand? Whats with the overkill? Where is our Sorc shield nerf? Did a Zeni member get ganked by a NB?

Sav72

Who would of thought Thieves guild DLC, would kill the stealth in this game......

I can not wait to read the Brother Hood nerf notes....

Dream96

I can't uderstand if you are saying that cloack is now useless or if piercing mark is now OP... lol
btw I agree:)

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Dream96 wrote: »

I can't uderstand if you are saying that cloack is now useless or if piercing mark is now OP... lol

he is saying both..

Dalsinthus

I would very much like ZoS to explain the many changes to cloak, stealth detection, and stealth. It was surprising and disappoint that this was not addressed in detail on ESO Live last Friday. This seems to be counter to their supposed philosophy of making small changes to see the effect.

vamp_emily

I am a NB and even though an ability preventing re entering cloak for a short while is okay to me, it can't be something that can be constantly spammed so that the nb can not enter stealth ever again, that's just wrong.

Seriously? Spamming? Who does not spam??

WB
Jabs
Steal Tornato
Heals
.. the list goes on..

And when you have 40+ PvPers taking at a keep that only has 6 defenders.. that is a spam too.

ZOS gives me the skills and I should be able to use them the way I want.. not what you think I should. If i want to use all my resources on cloaking ..then that is my choice.

Didgerion

Update 9 - Kamikaze Guild DLC is coming - prepare your cloaks and lots of magic powder.


Yeah and the horses too - the new NB's retreat now is respawn.

Jade1986

I was all for LIGHTLY toning down stealth, like give it a magicka penalty if you spam it or something like the dodge roll fix, but this is just taking it too far. And that is from someone who really, REALLY does not like nightblades....

olsborg

At the very least alow the use of the skill and remain revealed but gain the minor protection!