Pvp demoralizes me

Gothlander

So I'm a vr7 Imperial Stamplar with epic vr7 5 piece hundings rage and 4 nights silence. 5 medium and 2 heavy. Use 2h and sword and shield. I got all my points in stam and I do not last in pvp. I die so easy and fast and its making me not want to play eso. Is the only way to be good is to be vr16 with gold gear? If so, then that is really dumb. For people who love pvp, its like you have to reach vr16 to play pvp. You have to do pve from lvls 1-vr15 and then when you reach vr16 you can be good at pvp?

I don't like it one bit.

byCrux

Stamplar is just a harder class to play bro, I have vet 16s that can do work, but I also have a vet 3 mag sorc that can smack a lot of people out there lol. Its all based on how you play, especially with that class. Get vigor, rally, and also if your using the 2h for a gap closer, get stampede instead of crit rush. Stampede will be better for a stamplar because it slows them down and gives you time to biting jabs spam.

Leandor

Try sets that give you sustain over pure damage. Try boosting your health a bit by moving points over from stamina. Use defensive abilities like elude {or whatever it's called, the medium armor active ability). Block hard-hitting attacks.

I currently play a V7 stam dk, puple stuff. Going with morkuldin/night mother's gaze over hunding/night's silence, I get by quite well.

Speely

You have all points in Stam and have devoted none to Health, and your gear is focused on damage. You are a glass cannon. Glass cannons die quickly.

AtellusCalidus

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

PhatGrimReaper

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

IITHEOPII

I have a Stamplar Orc and had the same issue until I made some changes. Stop thinking one hit wonder and even out your build. Sustainability is key.

Speely

Even just devoting 1/3 of your stat points into Health and focusing your secondary gear set to survivability will change a lot. Decreasing your Max Stamina by ~33% will not impact your potency in a way that isn't outweighed by the extra Health you gain. Respec to 2/3 Stam and 1/3 Health and equip yourself a TAD more defensively. Being alive to do damage > having uber theoretical damage potential.

AtellusCalidus

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

This is where you usually start of you aren't able to stay alive looking enough to do damage. As his gameplay improves, he can split the points more evenly if he wishes. Besides, he is probably not soloing anybody no, but he WILL kill in group. Which is the point atm anyways since ZERG > all.

Skinzz

My magicka templar got wrecked a lil too much so i switched to stam and have been better at 1vX situations.

Cody

the templar is a bit harder to play than the other 3 classes. just give it time, you will get there

KenaPKK

Cody wrote: »

the templar is a bit harder to play than the other 3 classes. just give it time, you will get there

Only because stamplar lacks class abilities and passives and design (almost) entirely.

WTB stamplar rework.

Alferino

I main stamplar and i always have
Its clear Templar's are the worst stamina classes, now im not saying there horrible, but they are the worst compared to the others
It pretty much all comes down to having to practice the class alot, it will get hard, but you will get the hang of it, just keep trying

Gothlander

So, putting all att points in Stam is not a good idea even though I'm an Imperial?

What two trees should I be using? I am currently 2h and sword and sheild with some class abilities thrown in.

Galalin

Its about Balance, skill and CP and the more you PvP the better it will get. There are tons of players that play low lvl vets and wreck ppl. just because you have gear, points allocated properly and CP doesn't make you good at PvP it only helps if the fights are close in skill.

To many ppl look for I win builds and expect it to just kill for them. It takes time to get good at PvP and there is no way around it

DK SCRUB OUT

Keep_Door

Gothlander wrote: »

Stamplar .

thats your problem

Brrrofski

Well even people playing the game two years run between 20 and 25k health.

So maybe get to 25k health and work down as you get experience.

You'll needed keep updating your gear asyou level up. Just make it purple though, don't waste golds every vet rank.

Is this happening a lot in one or one or are you always outnumbered? How many champion points do you have? What skills/rotation are you using?

What are your other stats? Do you have vigor yet?

I've played stam and magica in everything quite a bit. Stamplar and stam Sorc are the hardest to play currently. Magica Dk too, but withheld buffs it might get better.

Warraxx

Brrrofski wrote: »

Well even people playing the game two years run between 20 and 25k health.

So maybe get to 25k health and work down as you get experience.

You'll needed keep updating your gear asyou level up. Just make it purple though, don't waste golds every vet rank.

Is this happening a lot in one or one or are you always outnumbered? How many champion points do you have? What skills/rotation are you using?

What are your other stats? Do you have vigor yet?

I've played stam and magica in everything quite a bit. Stamplar and stam Sorc are the hardest to play currently. Magica Dk too, but withheld buffs it might get better.

^This is be best advice in here so far^
I agree 20-25k health. I would add, shoot for at least 3k weapon damage, and 2k stam regen. try the Orisinium food that gives max health + stam regen.

Cody

Gothlander wrote: »

So, putting all att points in Stam is not a good idea even though I'm an Imperial?

What two trees should I be using? I am currently 2h and sword and sheild with some class abilities thrown in.

only if you plan to be a ganker should you put everything into mana or stamina. only having 15-20K health is going to get you killed otherwise.

SneaK

Not all about gear, not all about stats.

You need to know the basics of survival. CC when necessary, LOS when necessary, Ult when necessary, run when necessary.

All of it just comes with practice man. Learn a rotation that works for you and get good at it. In the meantime work on positioning in fights and staying alive.

Gothlander

Yeah I've changed some abilities and improved my defense. I got one bar with all my damage dealing abilities and 2nd bar with some heals, shields and a knock back cc on it. I've been playing better and yeah it's going to take time to get good at pvp. Like yesterday I learned I can hold down blocking mouse button and cast abilities from my action bar.

yodased

There is another thread kicking about that has a similar idea, but if you are facing 501/vr16/full legendary players that are not asleep behind the controller/keyboard, you are facing significantly harder battles than anywhere else in the game.

Some of these guys are pushing 4k weapon damage or 3500 spell damage. You are going to melt to that.

Something that has helped me become less of a scrub in pvp is streaming and then watching my death after it happens. There is a 15 second delay on twitch so you can literally critique your own fight pretty real-time.

You will start to notice patterns of yourself that you didn't realize you did.

Maybe you are a pve person and you immediate roll-dodge out of a prox-det, or you are rolling away from a wrecking blow too soon or too late.

Maybe you are too aggressive for your current character and should focus more on defense and line-of-sight useage than direct damage.

Overall it comes down to the fact that people are melting you because they are better at pvp than you and have better gear than you do.

You can get better gear and level up, thats easy, you just have to objectively look at your playing of your character and determine where you are making mistakes in your judgement of skills.

Actively determine which class you can kill, which class will absolutely smash you 100% and which you are 50/50 with and go from there. Build around the strengths of your particular skills of human.

Good luck!

DHale

Hey sorry to hear not having fun but wearing multiple armor pieces without undaunted 9 is not helpful. For a stamlar 7 medium. Recommend 7 or 8 with sword and board with Inpen to absorb those big hits also at you level you cannot possible have enough skill points to make your heavy or light armor passives useful. Purple armor is fine but gold weapons are kinda important. Use two hander for buff bar rally and vigor are critical. Run repentance on two hand bar Stam regen is zero when blocking. All Stam in enchants and Stam cost reduction. That should help. I recommend five hunding three/four morukulin

Simurgh

Nah man....you just need to theory-craft your heart out and try different things to see what fits best for your play style. This may mean getting wrecked in pvp until you find what works best for you, however, if you're persistent you'll find yourself laughing at some of the things you can pull off

Sureshawt

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

Actually he is right for this players vet rank and you are right once he reaches V16. Right now he needs to be tanky and play with groups to get the feel for the game. Living longer will allow him to do so while still contributing. The point is to learn survival first then get geared up at V16.

I would suggest all attributes into HP as well until you rank V16. Also put impenetrable and HP on all armor pieces. Don't worry about dealing DPS at this point. Use the time on the battlefield to observe the action and the tactics players are using. This is something can't do if you are dying too fast so beef up and live longer and learn more. Then apply what you have learned and make adjustments to gear/atrributes at V16.

Don't give up because PvP in this game can be a blast. Good luck!

Gothlander

Im only vr8 and I plan to lvl doing pve because that is faster than pvp. Putting all att points in health would cause me to kill mobs slower yes? I also got some tips from watching stamplar YouTube videos. But for now, being only vr8, I'm more focused on getting to vr16 but get dissapointed when I go to pvp. And that is OK, I understand some players are just very skilled and geared compared to me.

It sucks because in order for a new player to even have a chance in pvp, they have to wait for so long just to reach vr16 because that is the only way to be even with the rest of the players. There should be low lvl battle grounds or something for people lvling up tired of questing.

puffy99

Best or even close to best PvP gear is usually not the same gear you would run in Dungeons or in PvE or with the same traits.

Not to mention skills sets and morphs usually setup totally different or with substantial differences.

Can't believe they did not design characters that would store multiple templates for PvP vs PvE.

I curse them for this oversight every time I run into Cyrodill with innerlight vs magelight.... geez

Xael

Gothlander wrote: »

So I'm a vr7 Imperial Stamplar with epic vr7 5 piece hundings rage and 4 nights silence. 5 medium and 2 heavy. Use 2h and sword and shield. I got all my points in stam and I do not last in pvp. I die so easy and fast and its making me not want to play eso. Is the only way to be good is to be vr16 with gold gear? If so, then that is really dumb. For people who love pvp, its like you have to reach vr16 to play pvp. You have to do pve from lvls 1-vr15 and then when you reach vr16 you can be good at pvp?

I don't like it one bit.

This is a user error issue.
First of all, even as v7 you don't need to have "gold" gear to do well. You can get by with blue or purple just fine. In fact as a non v16 you have the potential to have a stronger 2h weapon than a v16 one (provided you gold that one piece). This makes up for the lack of jewelry like agil 3pc. But even if you didn't gold your 2h, you can still do very well with a purple.

Second, you likely don't have any way to heal. I seriously hope you at least have rally slotted, but I doubt you have vigor. As a Stamplar you will want Vigor, it will change your experience. I am almost positive if I watched a gameplay video of your experience I could show you where you need improvement, including itemization and skill choices.

Lastly, awareness. PvP is largely an awareness thing. I can 1vX on a v16, I can 1vX on vr1. This is mostly due to awareness and knowing when and where to fight. If you don't have good movement, you are going to die a lot. Knowing how to move, block, AC, etc all play a vital role in your pvp success.

By your post I am assuming you are a new player. PvP is not newbie friendly. It's kind of like logging into a FPS like Counter Strike for the first time back in 2001. You just spend the first few hours doing a lot of dying until you get the hang of it. If it gets too bad, I recommend going to a capital city and respec. Go magicka and change your morphs and become a healer until you unlock vigor. Right now (at least until TG) Templar healers are beasts and a pain in the ass to kill when played right.


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If you need some help, pm me here and I will help you where I can, or at least direct you to people that can.

PhatGrimReaper

Sureshawt wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

Actually he is right for this players vet rank and you are right once he reaches V16. Right now he needs to be tanky and play with groups to get the feel for the game. Living longer will allow him to do so while still contributing. The point is to learn survival first then get geared up at V16.

I would suggest all attributes into HP as well until you rank V16. Also put impenetrable and HP on all armor pieces. Don't worry about dealing DPS at this point. Use the time on the battlefield to observe the action and the tactics players are using. This is something can't do if you are dying too fast so beef up and live longer and learn more. Then apply what you have learned and make adjustments to gear/atrributes at V16.

Don't give up because PvP in this game can be a blast. Good luck!

If survival is the goal, then telling him to ignore stam & magicka is serving him up as an AP treat for anyone with half a clue. Health contributes very little to your survival in PVP atm. Stam for blocking, dodging, sprinting and abilities... magicka for buffs and healing are far more important to survival. There are one or two very niche builds that use a large health pool, but those builds rely on high end gear and many skill points/passives. As a stam build, max stam & stam recovery will contribute far more in terms of survival.

Furthermore, with the last batch of changes to battle levelling, the difference between a lowbie setup and a v16 setup is not all that different.....

My Sorc @ lvl40.... 3x Willpower, 3/4x Magnus, 5x Julianos.... all atts into Magicka + Tri food

Look familiar?.... that's because it's pretty much a standard setup..... Level doesn't really make too much difference anymore. What does make a difference is CP. If you aren't capped then you'd probably run seducer in place of Juli.

DjKahun

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

Actually he is right for this players vet rank and you are right once he reaches V16. Right now he needs to be tanky and play with groups to get the feel for the game. Living longer will allow him to do so while still contributing. The point is to learn survival first then get geared up at V16.

I would suggest all attributes into HP as well until you rank V16. Also put impenetrable and HP on all armor pieces. Don't worry about dealing DPS at this point. Use the time on the battlefield to observe the action and the tactics players are using. This is something can't do if you are dying too fast so beef up and live longer and learn more. Then apply what you have learned and make adjustments to gear/atrributes at V16.

Don't give up because PvP in this game can be a blast. Good luck!

If survival is the goal, then telling him to ignore stam & magicka is serving him up as an AP treat for anyone with half a clue. Health contributes very little to your survival in PVP atm. Stam for blocking, dodging, sprinting and abilities... magicka for buffs and healing are far more important to survival. There are one or two very niche builds that use a large health pool, but those builds rely on high end gear and many skill points/passives. As a stam build, max stam & stam recovery will contribute far more in terms of survival.

Furthermore, with the last batch of changes to battle levelling, the difference between a lowbie setup and a v16 setup is not all that different.....

My Sorc @ lvl40.... 3x Willpower, 3/4x Magnus, 5x Julianos.... all atts into Magicka + Tri food

Look familiar?.... that's because it's pretty much a standard setup..... Level doesn't really make too much difference anymore. What does make a difference is CP. If you aren't capped then you'd probably run seducer in place of Juli.

Willpower at lvl40?? What a waste :P I'm running 4x magnus 5x julianos and 3x soulshine until i get to vet 16 then use willpower

exeeter702

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

Actually he is right for this players vet rank and you are right once he reaches V16. Right now he needs to be tanky and play with groups to get the feel for the game. Living longer will allow him to do so while still contributing. The point is to learn survival first then get geared up at V16.

I would suggest all attributes into HP as well until you rank V16. Also put impenetrable and HP on all armor pieces. Don't worry about dealing DPS at this point. Use the time on the battlefield to observe the action and the tactics players are using. This is something can't do if you are dying too fast so beef up and live longer and learn more. Then apply what you have learned and make adjustments to gear/atrributes at V16.

Don't give up because PvP in this game can be a blast. Good luck!

If survival is the goal, then telling him to ignore stam & magicka is serving him up as an AP treat for anyone with half a clue. Health contributes very little to your survival in PVP atm. Stam for blocking, dodging, sprinting and abilities... magicka for buffs and healing are far more important to survival. There are one or two very niche builds that use a large health pool, but those builds rely on high end gear and many skill points/passives. As a stam build, max stam & stam recovery will contribute far more in terms of survival.

Furthermore, with the last batch of changes to battle levelling, the difference between a lowbie setup and a v16 setup is not all that different.....

My Sorc @ lvl40.... 3x Willpower, 3/4x Magnus, 5x Julianos.... all atts into Magicka + Tri food

Look familiar?.... that's because it's pretty much a standard setup..... Level doesn't really make too much difference anymore. What does make a difference is CP. If you aren't capped then you'd probably run seducer in place of Juli.

Why on earth would anyone bother trying to farm willpower at 40?

Also if you have to be in level appropriate gear to a T then why the hell even bother with trying to get bis and instead just get to v16 asap. People say Battle level is working as intended but why is it that a (new) low lvl character must be in full purples with specific accessory sets of which once you level up past them by 2 or 3 levels, you are gimped again....

Is battle leveling really only for high CP twinks Or am I missing something?