People who bash on this game, but still continue to play it

Iyas · February 2016

We bash the game because most ppl see the huge potential of the game and sometimes we know there was a better time

We want the game to be better and are rightfully annoyed by the intended way of the game

dday3six · February 2016

So lemme get this straight...

People are not allowed to criticize the game, and still play it?

Kammakazi · February 2016

dday3six wrote: »

So lemme get this straight...

People are not allowed to criticize the game, and still play it?

This game has so much QQ and whiners about everything

Molag_Crow · February 2016

There's many things to complain about when it comes to games and IRL, but the majority still play both. There's more bugs IRL too, and the server can be pretty extreme-Veteran mode at times but that's what makes it interesting.

Thelon · February 2016

Turelus · February 2016

If you're passionate about something you tend to be more vocal when it's going badly.

The fact they're complaining is because they still care, when they stop caring they go quiet.

I55UE5 · February 2016

Criticizing the game is one thing. Being completely awful and personally insulting the developers and others who have made the game you spend all your time in, is another.

It's blows my mind that in several polls, it has shown that many players (or atleast forum goers) are of very mature age.. Yet there is so much angst and lack of respect in posts.

Heindrich · February 2016

It's a sad reflection of selfish narrow-mindedness prevalent in modern society and the entitlement culture that comes with it. Not saying that all complaints are unreasonable, but a lot of the from QQ is like:

1) I got rekt by xxxx skill, instead of learning to counter it and adapt, I'll QQ and demand that it's nerfed.

2) If you make any change that negatively affects my class/build in any way, it's an outrage and you've ruined the game!

3) If you buff anyone else but don't buff me, it's an outrage and you've ruined the game!

4) If you make content that I don't like, it's a waste of time. Only the content I like matters.

5) If I cannot complete content that I paid for, it needs to be nerfed. No I refuse to L2P.

6) If I cannot obtain this shiny prize that I want, your game sucks. I want to play what I want the way I want and get all the shiny stuff that I want!

etc etc etc

HoloYoitsu · February 2016

We bash on the game because we actually care about it and WANT it to improve and become more enjoyable. If we didn't care about it, we wouldn't be here on the forums to begin with.

That said, the main thing keeping people like us here at this point is that there isn't anything comparable on the market atm - at least not for the next year or two.

Mojmir · February 2016

Actually I'm past hoping for the best for this game,now i just come here to see whats cooking. Its pretty clear they have no intention of listening to actual players of the game.and there so-called lead combat dev has no clue what he's doing,maybe if he actually played the game? The hypocrisy to skill adjustments and apparent class favoritism baffles me. Ill give them this,they know the options a few for anyone planning to leave.so why not push the players out as far as they can. Seriously take a long look at what they've neglected for the last 2 years.

Robo_Hobo · February 2016

True, criticism is good and helpful for the game.

Most are just very bad at presenting their criticism in a constructive way.

RatedChaotic · February 2016

Yes I bash it and still play it. Only because I know how great the game could be. Having broken passives and skills for over a year and the devs ignore it. I bought the game seeing the game description saying massive online battles and only to have the lag making it unplayable during its exciting peak times.
This is not acceptable and theres no excuse for this. Unprofessional IMO.
But I'm still playing til March hits. Then I'll just hop on for my mail and for hopes it turns into a better game.

Molag_Crow · February 2016

Heindrich wrote: »

It's a sad reflection of selfish narrow-mindedness prevalent in modern society and the entitlement culture that comes with it. Not saying that all complaints are unreasonable, but a lot of the from QQ is like:

1) I got rekt by xxxx skill, instead of learning to counter it and adapt, I'll QQ and demand that it's nerfed.

2) If you make any change that negatively affects my class/build in any way, it's an outrage and you've ruined the game!

3) If you buff anyone else but don't buff me, it's an outrage and you've ruined the game!

4) If you make content that I don't like, it's a waste of time. Only the content I like matters.

5) If I cannot complete content that I paid for, it needs to be nerfed. No I refuse to L2P.

6) If I cannot obtain this shiny prize that I want, your game sucks. I want to play what I want the way I want and get all the shiny stuff that I want!

etc etc etc

Sooooo true!

Teridaxus · February 2016

Well if they ignore feedback for 2 years lke templars or heavy armour, people get tired too...

Faulgor · February 2016

Your wife didn't wash the dishes like she promised?
Your husband leaving the toothpaste open again?

DIVORCE !!

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

CrowsDescend wrote: »

There's many things to complain about when it comes to games and IRL, but the majority still play both. There's more bugs IRL too, and the server can be pretty extreme-Veteran mode at times but that's what makes it interesting.

LOL... love this one

Problem is that stopping to play ESO is fairly easy and can be temporary. Stopping to play IRL is more complicated. However, playing ESO can be a very efficient way to temporarily stop playing IRL...
In the end we're caught between two evils

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Mojmir · February 2016

Look at all the threads that were done "constructively",look at all the great ideas, insights,and knowledge this community has brought here.now look at the dev team,watch eso live,i think you got your parties muddled mate.

Gidorick · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Look at all the threads that were done "constructively",look at all the great ideas, insights,and knowledge this community has brought here.now look at the dev team,watch eso live,i think you got your parties muddled mate.

Can't say I disagree with @Mojmir here.

Tavore1138 · February 2016

People play because the game at it's heart is an enjoyable online RPG.

People criticise because there are things in the game that do not work as intended - do you advocate that people just keep quiet about that? Or are you one of those that feels that if people do not like having a skill not working or lag in PvP they should simply go away and stop playing?

People also suggest things they would like to see changed or added that would enhance their playing experience - some of these ideas are great, some are OK and some are appalling... but again why is it a bad thing that people suggest things?

At what point in time did companies persuade some people that being a paying consumer meant just shutting up and dealing with something not being as advertised? Generations of consumer rights advocates are spinning in their graves...

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

People play because the game at it's heart is an enjoyable online RPG.

People criticise because there are things in the game that do not work as intended - do you advocate that people just keep quiet about that? Or are you one of those that feels that if people do not like having a skill not working or lag in PvP they should simply go away and stop playing?

People also suggest things they would like to see changed or added that would enhance their playing experience - some of these ideas are great, some are OK and some are appalling... but again why is it a bad thing that people suggest things?

At what point in time did companies persuade some people that being a paying consumer meant just shutting up and dealing with something not being as advertised? Generations of consumer rights advocates are spinning in their graves...

There are three main issues here :
- There's a difference between criticizing and bashing / insulting.
- There's a difference between suggesting and demanding / requesting. ZOS has a vision for this game, and people should respect that. I see it as a wonder of technology but also as a piece of art, because there is a vision behind it.
- There's a difference between being a customer and being a boss.

People not understanding these three differences are the ones who dig the grave of consumers's rights. Noone else.

Mojmir · February 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

People play because the game at it's heart is an enjoyable online RPG.

People criticise because there are things in the game that do not work as intended - do you advocate that people just keep quiet about that? Or are you one of those that feels that if people do not like having a skill not working or lag in PvP they should simply go away and stop playing?

People also suggest things they would like to see changed or added that would enhance their playing experience - some of these ideas are great, some are OK and some are appalling... but again why is it a bad thing that people suggest things?

At what point in time did companies persuade some people that being a paying consumer meant just shutting up and dealing with something not being as advertised? Generations of consumer rights advocates are spinning in their graves...

There are three main issues here :
- There's a difference between criticizing and bashing / insulting.
- There's a difference between suggesting and demanding / requesting. ZOS has a vision for this game, and people should respect that. I see it as a wonder of technology but also as a piece of art, because there is a vision behind it.
- There's a difference between being a customer and being a boss.

People not understanding these three differences are the ones who dig the grave of consumers's rights. Noone else.

there is no rule to criticism, it takes many forms. it happens in public and private, and its also about how you take and what you do with it. In this case, they choose to ignore it, that too me deserves no respect. it is art, but lets be honest,its no picasso and a certain dev needs to get over himself.

Oldmanlawlor · February 2016

Is this a real post?

Forums are for a lot of things, including feedback and criticism from the very people that PAID for the game.. So.. Yeah...

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

there is no rule to criticism, it takes many forms. it happens in public and private, and its also about how you take and what you do with it. In this case, they choose to ignore it, that too me deserves no respect. it is art, but lets be honest,its no picasso and a certain dev needs to get over himself.

Let's agree to disagree on ALL of your points, really.
Happens sometimes.

Mojmir · February 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

there is no rule to criticism, it takes many forms. it happens in public and private, and its also about how you take and what you do with it. In this case, they choose to ignore it, that too me deserves no respect. it is art, but lets be honest,its no picasso and a certain dev needs to get over himself.

Let's agree to disagree on ALL of your points, really.
Happens sometimes.

Thats the point though,u listened and responded regardless of the critisms tone.

mtwiggz · February 2016

While bashing the game may be unacceptable, some of the complaints on these forums are warranted. It seems the only way to get anything fixed anymore is to be brutally mean and/or honest about them.

The list of known bugs is growing astronomically in comparison to the list of actual fixed bugs. Fixed is bold due to the fact that they claim they fixed many bugs which pop back up weeks, sometimes days, after they are claimed to be fixed.

I continue to play ESO as I enjoy the game a lot. The bugs and issues are certainly annoying at times, but like any successful relationship, hopefully we can work through it.

khele23eb17_ESO · February 2016

People who think criticism = bashing. Also people who think you shouldnt express your dissatisfaction as a paying customer.

Snowstrider · February 2016

People have the right to complain when they payed money for it. And they care for the game and want it to improve and evolve

Jura23 · February 2016

I think it's all about professionalism. If you're a professional gamer, then you should be constructive at all times and avoid so called bashing. If you're a professional developer, then it shouldn't matter for you if incoming feedback is constructive or not, you should always care about the core behind it. But if you're a developer and look only at feedback that has a nice form, then you're not being professional.

Abeille · February 2016

Lots of people play this game simply because it is in the TES universe.

They are not going to leave for another MMO because this other MMO won't be in the TES universe, even if the devs make some decisions they don't really agree with. So, they will come to the forums and point out that the devs made decisions that they don't agree with.

This is my case. I can't think of many things that would make me leave the game, and most of them are directly connected what they put in the Crown Store and if it is acceptable or absurd (I've been happy with it so far). As much as I'm unhappy with what is being done with Templars, I took preventive measures like I do in every MMO and made one character of each class (an stamina and a magicka version of each, for a total of 8 characters). I have been playing MMOs for over a decade and I know nerfs and buffs happen, so it is always good to have a plan B (and C, and D, and E...). That's just how MMOs work.

What worries me is that the devs might listen to people that are used to MMO-hopping, and that are only in ESO until the next big MMO comes out. I am not saying that that's what they are doing now, I'm saying that I get worried every time someone makes a rant thread disguised as a suggestion thread and then threaten to leave the game as soon as BDO or some other MMO comes out. I hope they are able to tell the difference between the two groups, but I don't know. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that stuff.

Either way, using personal insults or demanding people to be fired is going too far. Sometimes we are very angry and start shouting at people without thinking twice, but this is written communication, you can review what you are going to post before you do. Think if there isn't a better way to get your point across before hitting "post reply".