vampire skill line too powerfull, too easy, to quick

BurtFreeman

i got master vampire in one night gaming. i never liked vampire neither ww role play, but the way you can level them and cure at the end make an effort to do. also i had trouble to get v16 with my dk, because is not a class i like (was my first character class and i got lot of frustration in learning the game with).
with vampire skill line you gat access to a powerfull ultimate and skill, but the best are also the permanently passives.
you levell all this stuff in couple of hours, if you are in agrinding zone.

on the other hand we have werewolf that is not the easiest to level, neither so advantageous. i'm not an expert, but seem that all the passives are only active in ww form, so on my opinion there is an hudge difference of worth between the two skill line.

Sharee

Leveling werewolf is easier than leveling vampire. Just find a patch of fast-respawning mobs. Turn into werewolf, and between devouring, heavy attacks, and the passive that increases WW timer everytime you get hit, you do not have to revert back to human form until werewolf line is at level 10. Takes an hour tops.

And yes, WW passives only work while transformed(with one exception - you get 15% stam regen in human form with WW ult slotted) - but then they also are not suffering a permanent vulnerability like vamps do.

phreatophile

Pick up a skill at high vet rank that is scaled to get at level 40 and act surprised that it levels quickly. Where is that LOL button?

Try getting your bite around level 10, you'll be closing in on level 40 when it's fully leveled.

You can do this with weapon skills too. Slot a new one and go kill stuff in Wrothgar, you'll be morphing abilities by the second mob.

BurtFreeman

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phreatophile wrote: »

Pick up a skill at high vet rank that is scaled to get at level 40 and act surprised that it levels quickly. Where is that LOL button?

Try getting your bite around level 10, you'll be closing in on level 40 when it's fully leveled.

You can do this with weapon skills too. Slot a new one and go kill stuff in Wrothgar, you'll be morphing abilities by the second mob.

you say nothing new to me. thought all the other world skill line take long time to level.

Xvorg

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i got master vampire in one night gaming. i never liked vampire neither ww role play, but the way you can level them and cure at the end make an effort to do. also i had trouble to get v16 with my dk, because is not a class i like (was my first character class and i got lot of frustration in learning the game with).
with vampire skill line you gat access to a powerfull ultimate and skill, but the best are also the permanently passives.
you levell all this stuff in couple of hours, if you are in agrinding zone.

on the other hand we have werewolf that is not the easiest to level, neither so advantageous. i'm not an expert, but seem that all the passives are only active in ww form, so on my opinion there is an hudge difference of worth between the two skill line.

My crossbow disagrees, Vamps are quite easy to kill

Unsent.Soul

BurtFreeman wrote: »

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phreatophile wrote: »

Pick up a skill at high vet rank that is scaled to get at level 40 and act surprised that it levels quickly. Where is that LOL button?

Try getting your bite around level 10, you'll be closing in on level 40 when it's fully leveled.

You can do this with weapon skills too. Slot a new one and go kill stuff in Wrothgar, you'll be morphing abilities by the second mob.

you say nothing new to me. thought all the other world skill line take long time to level.

Then why did you make this thread?

eventide03b14a_ESO

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i got master vampire in one night gaming. i never liked vampire neither ww role play, but the way you can level them and cure at the end make an effort to do. also i had trouble to get v16 with my dk, because is not a class i like (was my first character class and i got lot of frustration in learning the game with).
with vampire skill line you gat access to a powerfull ultimate and skill, but the best are also the permanently passives.
you levell all this stuff in couple of hours, if you are in agrinding zone.

on the other hand we have werewolf that is not the easiest to level, neither so advantageous. i'm not an expert, but seem that all the passives are only active in ww form, so on my opinion there is an hudge difference of worth between the two skill line.

I'm sorry, what's the point of this thread?

Cody

when you get it at V16 it will level fast, it is designed to be acquired around the high 30s-low 40s.

you think it is bad now? you should have seen vampire at launch, it was MUCH MUCH worse back then than now in fact during the first few months it was extremely OP, with bites selling for over 30K and all the vampire spawn points being camped by people looking to sell the 30K bites.

Mivryna

If you get Vampirism at level 1, you will get it to rank 10 at about level 38. It's just a matter of how much EXP you're getting.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Cody wrote: »

when you get it at V16 it will level fast, it is designed to be acquired around the high 30s-low 40s.

you think it is bad now? you should have seen vampire at launch, it was MUCH MUCH worse back then than now in fact during the first few months it was extremely OP, with bites selling for over 30K and all the vampire spawn points being camped by people looking to sell the 30K bites.

VAMP DK Magicka at launch is the most OP class i have ever seen in a MMO. I literally saw 1v20-30 multiple times with the Vamp literally sitting in the middle of the 30 person zerg. You could spam Bat Swarm with the right build and gear cause you could get the ultimate down to almost nothing(think it cost like 15 ultimate or something) and it was more powerful. You literally couldnt die because of it.

Lyrebon

Got werewolf tonight and already mastered it. Took me two hours in between looking for skyshards? Just do what @Sharee said and farm a high respawn camp. You literally cannot run out of time if you do it that way and you're stronger than human form, plus you have a powerful heal you can pretty much spam. so like vampire you're very hard to kill if you aren't terrible.

Really, it's a matter of choice. Vamps are weak to fire and have to feed or suffer de-buffs, werewolves can only transform with enough Ultimate and become weak to poison once they do. Any skilled player can kill one solo.

TheRubiksCube

I won't disagree with you on vamp being very powerful seeing how I get much more kills with vamp, but being a vamp is balanced by the fact that health recovery is s--- and fire damage has to be taken into account. If my opponent has evil hunter/camouflaged hunter, I'm screwed, but luckily not everyone runs around with that (on xbox at least).

Werewolves are ok in my opinion, but the cost for it isn't cheap. The increased stamina recovery is nice though. Werewolf is easier to train if you ask me since one could just stay in the portal and not leave until werewolf is 10. If there's one thing I regret in ESO, I regret leaving the portal after I unlocked the werewolf skill line.

BurtFreeman

@all: i had no experience with vampirism and werewolt till this month, when i start to turn my alt one by one. i discover later that you can cure keeping all your skill line levelled for a future use.
it's also nice to know the werewolf skill line it's an easy go, so i'm going to level that too by the time.

thanks for posting, i apreciated.

SirDopey

WW is easier to level than Vampire, you can get from 1 - 10 in WW in less than an hour.....

bowmanz607

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i got master vampire in one night gaming. i never liked vampire neither ww role play, but the way you can level them and cure at the end make an effort to do. also i had trouble to get v16 with my dk, because is not a class i like (was my first character class and i got lot of frustration in learning the game with).
with vampire skill line you gat access to a powerfull ultimate and skill, but the best are also the permanently passives.
you levell all this stuff in couple of hours, if you are in agrinding zone.

on the other hand we have werewolf that is not the easiest to level, neither so advantageous. i'm not an expert, but seem that all the passives are only active in ww form, so on my opinion there is an hudge difference of worth between the two skill line.

Ya but the vamp weaknesses are always uo. Where a ww weaknesses are only in that form.

RAGUNAnoOne

Are you kidding!? the ultimate and sneak passive is the only good thing about vamp the drain is a channel and restores missing health and only 10% per second nerfed in PvP zones and mist form is crap the expedition morph is cap because you can't sprint when using it and the poison is laughable. Undeath does not work and even if it did the meta is one shots for both players and NPCs so it is useless. the regeneration passive REQUIRES a vampire skill slotted. finally a permanent weakness to fire and FG skills to add the cherry to the crap sundae. @GreenSoup2HoT I think you could explain better than me.

GreenSoup2HoT

@RAGUNAnoOne

Thank's for the shout out..... but it's to late for us vampire's. I've created countless thread's about vampire's and how to improve them yet they get no attention. All i get is hate about bat swarm the only saving grace about the skill line.... yet the only area's i want improved have nothing to do with this ability, it's everything else that's broken.

People seem to forget player's have a permanent 9% extra damage against vampire's... 60% more damage with dawn-breaker and a 1 shot ko ability known as camouflage hunter (still waiting for it to be fixed). These skill's are meant to be counter's to vampire's but it's way overtuned, these number's were for pve and just transferred into pvp with no change's at all.

It's real fun to see every single sorc and most nb's run the direct counter to vampire's....(flawless dawnbreaker and dawnbreaker of smiting)

Vampire's are in dire need of improvement's. OP is clearly misinformed about the disadvantage vampire's have in pvp. In pve it's a completely different story.

I'm soooo happy to see all vampire's got in the pts was a ui fix for health recovery.... smh


I feel like a broken record talking about vampire's problem's....

Johngo0036

Sharee wrote: »

Leveling werewolf is easier than leveling vampire. Just find a patch of fast-respawning mobs. Turn into werewolf, and between devouring, heavy attacks, and the passive that increases WW timer everytime you get hit, you do not have to revert back to human form until werewolf line is at level 10. Takes an hour tops.

And yes, WW passives only work while transformed(with one exception - you get 15% stam regen in human form with WW ult slotted) - but then they also are not suffering a permanent vulnerability like vamps do.

this is true.. i levelled WW from lvl 4 to lvl 10 in 30 minutes in Rivenspire(right at the top of map on the beach with all those mobs) and all that in one transformation... i was actually amazed...

Took me the next 3 hours hunting skyshards to get enough skill points to unlock all the skills.. .lol......

Brrrofski

See, I fine wearwolf way stronger than vamp in the right situation.

I've lost count the amount of times I've been in a 1vs1 or 1vs2 and going wearwolf was the reason I won the fight.

Vamp is good too. Only on the right builds though I find. The negatives are pretty bad, so the build really has to benefit from being vamp for it to be worth while for me.

BurtFreeman

as i say, i never like role play vamp neither ww. i do for levelling purpose and for curiosity.
if then i had to choose for role play, i would like some of my nords will be a werewolf,
may be my dk.

ps: my nord templar already has the ww infection, but i do not play much with him this time.

Septimus_Magna

Try vamp in pvp, no one is using dawnbreaker, meteor, camo hunter or silver bolts, I promise!

Anhedonie

BurtFreeman wrote: »

i got master vampire in one night gaming. i never liked vampire neither ww role play, but the way you can level them and cure at the end make an effort to do. also i had trouble to get v16 with my dk, because is not a class i like (was my first character class and i got lot of frustration in learning the game with).
with vampire skill line you gat access to a powerfull ultimate and skill, but the best are also the permanently passives.
you levell all this stuff in couple of hours, if you are in agrinding zone.

on the other hand we have werewolf that is not the easiest to level, neither so advantageous. i'm not an expert, but seem that all the passives are only active in ww form, so on my opinion there is an hudge difference of worth between the two skill line.

I leveled ww from 1 to 10 in 15 minutes. Talk about fast.

BullNetch

WW is easier to level to 10, but vampire skills are easier to level up.

You can only use WW skills while a WW. To get XP towards leveling up WW skills, you gotta slot them and level them up through piggybacking them on your normal skill bar... preferably while leveling or grinding.

caperon

BullNetch wrote: »

WW is easier to level to 10, but vampire skills are easier to level up.

You can only use WW skills while a WW. To get XP towards leveling up WW skills, you gotta slot them and level them up through piggybacking them on your normal skill bar... preferably while leveling or grinding.

You can slot the skills without being transformed. You can do this with any skill, you dont need to have the prerequesites for the skill to work toget xp and lvl it. You can level brawler while using bow and so on.

leepalmer95

Took me 30 mins to max ww from 1-10

Also pretty sure i've 1 hit a few vamps with dawnbreaker.

BurtFreeman

today i also leveled my templar werewolf skill line to 10 in less then an hour, at the mine in bal foyen.
thought all the skills are stop at 0 or less then 1 rank, put them all in the bar do not work like the other skill lines.
the downside of keeping active the form is hudge: there where plenty of dead body, i feed all the time, but after 5-6 time i loose my form (i do not understand why?)
vampire has a negative aspect too, but once you know you can fix it, with cp and passive. plus the abilities are always active, the ultimate is strong and yes the skills are pretty powerfull.

Sharee

BurtFreeman wrote: »

today i also leveled my templar werewolf skill line to 10 in less then an hour, at the mine in bal foyen.
thought all the skills are stop at 0 or less then 1 rank, put them all in the bar do not work like the other skill lines.

You can fill your secondary bar with all WW skills, and switch to that bar everytime you are handing in a quest. That way they will level fast, without having to be in WW form to level them.

Use your first primary quickslot bar to actually fight.

BurtFreeman

i use the swap addon to make an end quest bar preset with the skill i like to level.
today i just want to level 10 the ww. for what i've seen, the level is given by number of kills, the skill rank by the amount of xp. i heard the skill line could be leveled in ww form only. good to know you can also level the ability in normal form.

anyway, all my build are magicka, so at the moment i do not see any advantage of ww other then levelling purpose. thought seem zos going to renew the ww, but at the moment i still think the vampire is much more usefull and powerfull to me: vampire has only 2 skill but very usefull to me. i've turned vampire my nb at level 20 and it seem to be born for that.
i will see more video about ww, to see the beast in action from skilled gamers, to have the proper idea.