Champion Points Change - Can someone explain me something?

ShadowDisciple

How are changes to Elemental Defender and Hardy nerfs???

As far as im concerned Hardy now protetcts vs Stamina builds (phys, poison(bow)) and elemental defender against Magicka build...

and not only that but we dont actually need to split points between the 2 to get that Magic Damage reduction + ele dmg...

i mean i keep hearing its a direct nerf to "this" and "that" build but i just dont see the reason for it..

Jura23

It's nerf to stam builds, isn't that obvious?

lolo_01b16_ESO

On live, there is no way to reduce physical damage with cp, on pts you can reduce physical damage by up to 25% by using hardy. So stamina builds will do less damage in pvp than they do on live.
If you call this a nerf to stamina builds or balance is just a different point of view.

ShadowDisciple

ohh ok ok..i mean i got that.. i realised that phys dmg redux now goes to 25% if hardy is maxed...

but yea my PoV is Balanced...it was strange to me that we didnt have that already in the game...yea i see how ppl consider it a nerf but i dont really care...stamina bursts are crazy right now...if i open from stealth even the tankiest ppl die in seconds..so this "nerf" is completely fine by me..

Thanks guys!

Troneon

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

ohh ok ok..i mean i got that.. i realised that phys dmg redux now goes to 25% if hardy is maxed...

but yea my PoV is Balanced...it was strange to me that we didnt have that already in the game...yea i see how ppl consider it a nerf but i dont really care...stamina bursts are crazy right now...if i open from stealth even the tankiest ppl die in seconds..so this "nerf" is completely fine by me..

Thanks guys!

Agreed. It's a balance not a nerf.

eliisra

Your average player(non-sorc) will likely run points in Hardy for at least 10-15% reduction from physical attacks in PvP.

I doubt more, because there's a CP cap. Also loads of elemental- and magic dmg bombing incoming next patch v.s groups. Cant reflect Meteor, mag DK buff, new light armor set with fire explosion, siege buff and target buff to Proxi, for example. So Elemental Defender will be really important to put points in. You also need Resistant for crit def, Block Expertise and other stuff.

But still an obvious nerf to stamina builds in PvP, since there's no sign today giving reduction v.s. physical attacks. They will do less dmg.

In PvE it's however a buff. Really nice one. Will balance content like vMA a bit I think, since not all of us has a 25k class shield v.s hard hitting physical attacks

ShadowDisciple

eliisra wrote: »

Your average player(non-sorc) will likely run points in Hardy for at least 10-15% reduction from physical attacks in PvP.

I doubt more, because there's a CP cap. Also loads of elemental- and magic dmg bombing incoming next patch v.s groups. Cant reflect Meteor, mag DK buff, new light armor set with fire explosion, siege buff and target buff to Proxi, for example. So Elemental Defender will be really important to put points in. You also need Resistant for crit def, Block Expertise and other stuff.

But still an obvious nerf to stamina builds in PvP, since there's no sign today giving reduction v.s. physical attacks. They will do less dmg.

In PvE it's however a buff. Really nice one. Will balance content like vMA a bit I think, since not all of us has a 25k class shield v.s hard hitting physical attacks

I'm a PvP player and it doesent bother me 1 bit...

Im just happy Stam NB took quite a nerf so now when i wreck ppl with my stamblade they cant go QQ on forum cuz they will look like scrubs...

but that might not be true..this forum like whiners and qq'ers so idk

Beardimus

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

ohh ok ok..i mean i got that.. i realised that phys dmg redux now goes to 25% if hardy is maxed...

but yea my PoV is Balanced...it was strange to me that we didnt have that already in the game...yea i see how ppl consider it a nerf but i dont really care...stamina bursts are crazy right now...if i open from stealth even the tankiest ppl die in seconds..so this "nerf" is completely fine by me..

Thanks guys!

Fair play to this guy, first post ive seen where someone accepts balance when they have the advantage - respect! +1 Awesome

ShadowDisciple

Beardimus wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

ohh ok ok..i mean i got that.. i realised that phys dmg redux now goes to 25% if hardy is maxed...

but yea my PoV is Balanced...it was strange to me that we didnt have that already in the game...yea i see how ppl consider it a nerf but i dont really care...stamina bursts are crazy right now...if i open from stealth even the tankiest ppl die in seconds..so this "nerf" is completely fine by me..

Thanks guys!

Fair play to this guy, first post ive seen where someone accepts balance when they have the advantage - respect! +1 Awesome

hehe thanks...

i actually promote "l2p" point of view... since 1.2 i play stamblade..and they were the suckiest class back then...and now they are "op"... but i still cant do 1v10 like some youtubers do...

and on the flip-side people say Magicka DK sux hard, and yet there are tons of YT videos where people wreck groups of 10 as a solo mag DK..

So if they can do it with "underopwered messy class" and i cant do it on "op" class..then i need to l2p for real...

but im not embarassed to say im not the best and i still get owned by lvl39 magicka templar sometimes xDD

My name is Shadow, and im a SCRUB!! xD

Jura23

Beardimus wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

ohh ok ok..i mean i got that.. i realised that phys dmg redux now goes to 25% if hardy is maxed...

but yea my PoV is Balanced...it was strange to me that we didnt have that already in the game...yea i see how ppl consider it a nerf but i dont really care...stamina bursts are crazy right now...if i open from stealth even the tankiest ppl die in seconds..so this "nerf" is completely fine by me..

Thanks guys!

Fair play to this guy, first post ive seen where someone accepts balance when they have the advantage - respect! +1 Awesome

CP system is not balanced as long as 99% of all ultimates are magicka dmg. One of my top issues right now.

Malmai

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

ohh ok ok..i mean i got that.. i realised that phys dmg redux now goes to 25% if hardy is maxed...

but yea my PoV is Balanced...it was strange to me that we didnt have that already in the game...yea i see how ppl consider it a nerf but i dont really care...stamina bursts are crazy right now...if i open from stealth even the tankiest ppl die in seconds..so this "nerf" is completely fine by me..

Thanks guys!

Yea right if you burst me from stealth in few seconds i give you 1 mil gold there are many many counters to that bro. I guess you only play against glass canons and you burst them down in 2 sec yes...

ShadowDisciple

Malmai wrote: »

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

ohh ok ok..i mean i got that.. i realised that phys dmg redux now goes to 25% if hardy is maxed...

but yea my PoV is Balanced...it was strange to me that we didnt have that already in the game...yea i see how ppl consider it a nerf but i dont really care...stamina bursts are crazy right now...if i open from stealth even the tankiest ppl die in seconds..so this "nerf" is completely fine by me..

Thanks guys!

Yea right if you burst me from stealth in few seconds i give you 1 mil gold there are many many counters to that bro. I guess you only play against glass canons and you burst them down in 2 sec yes...

well im not really that dense to attack the tanky people...but healers and dps drop insta...and your heavy armor dk's are not that far, with soul harvest + shadow mundus all divines and 60% cri chance people die fast..and if you block i just mass hysteria for a few more hits..

i did not mean people are insta kills but if you dont streak away, and i open from stealth there is a good chance of me winning a fight..

on the other hand i dont consider myself pro-pvper, so if you are really good i probably wont kill you.. so ok Good Job to you Mr.Pro but you cant deny stamina stacking stealth opener burst isnt strong..

not to mention current meta is burst dmg and thats what works nowadays... otherwise proxy det trains wouldnt be much good if people had 40k healths and duels lasted for 5 min