How bad did I screw myself by going Dunmer sorc?

Vektrio

I'm new to ESO and rolled a Dunmer sorc only to eventually run into a lot of people telling me I should have gone altmer or breton. How screwed is a dunmer sorc for pvp? I realize I am losing some of the racial passives, but is it that big of a deal? I chose a sorc for some house telvanni style, but I will switch if it is a really bad choice

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

not bad at all, dunmer are great, and in the end we are only talking like 3 to 5% difference anyways. play how you want, pvp is a lot about player skill, unless you are temp.

Mivryna

Pah, those people must be min-maxers. Dunmer are friendly to both Magicka and Stamina builds. For Magicka Sorcerers, they give a large boost to your Magicka and also your flame damage if you choose to use a fire staff.

They're also one of the best races for Vampires thanks to the fire resistance. Vampirism gives you some great defensive power, and with a Vampire ability slotted you also get an extra 10% Magicka and Stamina regen.

ToRelax

Dunmer aren't great atm, though still the 3rd best choice for a magicka Sorc after Altmer and Breton. For stamina they're pretty bad though and don't believe people saying they are a good race for vampires nowadays - they have no clue.

ListerJMC

Those people are likely min-maxers. I've played alongside many magicka-based Dunmer characters before and never thought they were bad. They do have passives to increase max magicka, not as much as an Altmer but they still have more than average. I'd definitely make sure you use a fire staff and enchants to get the most out of your flame damage bonus as a Dunmer sorcerer, and vampirism might help you too since you get a racial bonus to fire resistance to off-set the bonus fire damage a vampire takes. This will increase your magicka regeneration, and you won't suffer as badly as an Altmer would by becoming a vampire.

If you want to talk min-maxing, I think a magicka dragonknight is what people use Dunmer for mostly; because dragonknights have a flame damage skill tree which complements Dunmer racial passives. Magicka dragonknight DPS using ardent flame might still feel like a sorcerer while better using your racial passives if you're really worried about race, but I wouldn't be.

You go show the min-maxers what House Telvanni can do .

DannyLV702

I'm a dark elf sorc and I smoke ass in pvp all day. NBs can't touch me bruh. Ignore them, skills beat passives any day of the week.

ListerJMC

ToRelax wrote: »

Dunmer aren't great atm, though still the 3rd best choice for a magicka Sorc after Altmer and Breton. For stamina they're pretty bad though and don't believe people saying they are a good race for vampires nowadays - they have no clue.

How so?

Most Dunmer dps I run into are stamina-based and they hit like a truck. And what other race works the best with vampirism? My vampire's a Redguard and I'd love that fire resistance so I could focus my cp and enchants on other things. I've never played a Dunmer, but I've never heard anyone say there's a better choice for vampirism so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

Mivryna

ToRelax wrote: »

Dunmer aren't great atm, though still the 3rd best choice for a magicka Sorc after Altmer and Breton. For stamina they're pretty bad though and don't believe people saying they are a good race for vampires nowadays - they have no clue.

I am a Dunmer Vampire Sorcerer with Magicka for days. Sometimes I tank fire-breathing Vet Pledge bosses.

In light armor.

Vektrio

thanks all for the great answers

nordsavage

You are getting plenty of magicka capacity bonuses and increased fire damage. What you might miss in shock/ice offensively is somewhat made up for with the fire resistance especially if you intend to utilize vampire. Plus there is some stamina capacity if you ever get the urge to swap to stamina sorc for variety.

aLi3nZ

i am dark elf dunmar sourc. I think it's 6 percent magica Regen bonus instead of 10 for altermar high elf + more fire damage and fire resistance. Pretty decent choice

Acsvf

Not much difference. If you don't mind being an altmer and you haven't gone too far yet in terms of levels/investment, I'd just reroll to not be disappointed later when the min/maxing matters. But it shouldn't matter that much.

RoamingRiverElk

ListerJMC wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Dunmer aren't great atm, though still the 3rd best choice for a magicka Sorc after Altmer and Breton. For stamina they're pretty bad though and don't believe people saying they are a good race for vampires nowadays - they have no clue.

How so?

Most Dunmer dps I run into are stamina-based and they hit like a truck. And what other race works the best with vampirism? My vampire's a Redguard and I'd love that fire resistance so I could focus my cp and enchants on other things. I've never played a Dunmer, but I've never heard anyone say there's a better choice for vampirism so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

It's because the fire resistance passive Dunmer now have is minuscule. It used to be great when the game came out, but ever since they did the numbers overhaul, they for some reason didn't upgrade the elemental resistance numbers on the Dunmer racial passive and the elemental resistance jewelry glyphs. It probably protects about ten times less than it used to. No one uses the elemental resistance jewelry glyphs anymore either. I've heard it said that the Breton spell resistance buff protects you more from flame damage than the Dunmer passive does. -.- So, simply spec CPs into elemental resistance instead.

For something that would combine well with vampirism... I would say either classes which give magicka or stamina regen bonuses, in case the vampirism bonus stacks with them - I haven't actually tested. Or on the other hand - you may want to pick some other class for your vampire character precisely because you can compensate for the lack of the racial regen passive with vampirism. Also, I believe the Bosmer stealth damage passive works together with Clouding Swarm (grants invisibility unless you're marked) in PvP. I don't know whether the bonus applies to damage you do while in Clouding Swarm to NPCs though, because they seem to be able to see/attack you despite being invisible in Clouding Swarm.

LegacyDM

With the next patch and magic portion of thermaturge CP collapsing into elemental expert. You will be a beast if you go destro/fire. So dunmer not such a bad choice now.

Acsvf

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

It's because the fire resistance passive Dunmer now have is minuscule. It used to be great when the game came out, but ever since they did the numbers overhaul, they for some reason didn't upgrade the elemental resistance numbers on the Dunmer racial passive and the elemental resistance jewelry glyphs. It probably protects about ten times less than it used to. No one uses the elemental resistance jewelry glyphs anymore either. I've heard it said that the Breton spell resistance buff protects you more from flame damage than the Dunmer passive does. -.- So, simply spec CPs into elemental resistance instead.

Pretty much. It's around 3.5% for me at vr1

ListerJMC

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Dunmer aren't great atm, though still the 3rd best choice for a magicka Sorc after Altmer and Breton. For stamina they're pretty bad though and don't believe people saying they are a good race for vampires nowadays - they have no clue.

How so?

Most Dunmer dps I run into are stamina-based and they hit like a truck. And what other race works the best with vampirism? My vampire's a Redguard and I'd love that fire resistance so I could focus my cp and enchants on other things. I've never played a Dunmer, but I've never heard anyone say there's a better choice for vampirism so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

It's because the fire resistance passive Dunmer now have is minuscule. It used to be great when the game came out, but ever since they did the numbers overhaul, they for some reason didn't upgrade the elemental resistance numbers on the Dunmer racial passive and the elemental resistance jewelry glyphs. It probably protects about ten times less than it used to. No one uses the elemental resistance jewelry glyphs anymore either. I've heard it said that the Breton spell resistance buff protects you more from flame damage than the Dunmer passive does. -.- So, simply spec CPs into elemental resistance instead.

For something that would combine well with vampirism... I would say either classes which give magicka or stamina regen bonuses, in case the vampirism bonus stacks with them - I haven't actually tested. Or on the other hand - you may want to pick some other class for your vampire character precisely because you can compensate for the lack of the racial regen passive with vampirism. Also, I believe the Bosmer stealth damage passive works together with Clouding Swarm (grants invisibility unless you're marked) in PvP. I don't know whether the bonus applies to damage you do while in Clouding Swarm to NPCs though, because they seem to be able to see/attack you despite being invisible in Clouding Swarm.

Breton spell resistance works better now? Wow, that needs a fix. For my vampire I've been stacking CPs into elemental defender and I think I have an "Of the Sun" necklace for bonus resist but I'll get rid of that eventually. And yeah think it might stack, my Redguard has racial bonuses to stamina regen + medium armor passives + Vampire passives and without any regen glyphs he's got over 1K in stamina regeneration at VR1.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

You are totally screwed! Move to Fallout ASAP

KatzMainTank

Vektrio wrote: »

I'm new to ESO and rolled a Dunmer sorc only to eventually run into a lot of people telling me I should have gone altmer or breton. How screwed is a dunmer sorc for pvp? I realize I am losing some of the racial passives, but is it that big of a deal? I chose a sorc for some house telvanni style, but I will switch if it is a really bad choice

It's still very viable as a Sorc, especially if you go Destro and play to your strengths and weaknesses accordingly. Personally, I love seeing players break away from the molds. Unless they're Argonian. Then they deserve what they get coming.

Darkeus

1 High Elf
2 Breton
3 Dark Elf

best magik sorc is by far high elf.

Derra

I prefer dark elf over breton personally.

Highelf is superior for pve in pvp it´s preference.

Cadelay

Lol, my main is a Khajit Templar magicka healer, probably one of the worst races for it. Dunmer is not so bad.

I'm race changing her as soon as they come out.

Runefell

Cadelay wrote: »

Lol, my main is a Khajit Templar magicka healer, probably one of the worst races for it. Dunmer is not so bad.

I'm race changing her as soon as they come out.

Yeah... I have a Khajiit sorc. There's pretty much nothing in her perks that helps her. I don't plan on getting really serious about PvP or anything, and only casually run dungeons, so I'll keep her as she is. She's a good solo build, even without the racial perks.

pronkg

Don't worry, works fine, this game is easy mode anyway, you can play an Orc magicka sorceror and still beat everything with one hand tied

Shardaxx

Extra fire damage can't be a bad thing for a sorc.

Essiaga

Vektrio wrote: »

I'm new to ESO and rolled a Dunmer sorc only to eventually run into a lot of people telling me I should have gone altmer or breton. How screwed is a dunmer sorc for pvp? I realize I am losing some of the racial passives, but is it that big of a deal? I chose a sorc for some house telvanni style, but I will switch if it is a really bad choice

With Sorcs it doesn't matter as much as with other classes. King Richard is a Redguard and wrecks faces all over the place in PVP. I know a few Dunmer sorc's that do very well in both PVP and PVE. There are better races though.

Acsvf

Essiaga wrote: »

King Richard is a Redguard and wrecks faces all over the place in PVP.

Redguard is a great class for sorcerer. If you're going stam, that is.

BdCHighVoltage

my main is a khajiit nightblade healer.

so, eh.

swiftmoney09

You're not an Argonian, so it's all good.

a1x23

Acsvf wrote: »

Essiaga wrote: »

King Richard is a Redguard and wrecks faces all over the place in PVP.

Redguard is a great class for sorcerer. If you're going stam, that is.

He mostly plays magicka

Sunah

As long as you can play your class to their utmost potential then you can play with any race and not be too concerned about it. Races are pretty much for min-maxing. Yes you will get PLENTY of trash talkers if you roll up with a orc healer, or argonian tank haha. But again those are just minimal advantages.

An example would be for nord tanks. Their damage reduction passive sounds very sexy but once you get to end game... you already reach hard caps on reductions just on gear alone. Imperials give extra hp and stam, but once you reach that safe ~18-20k (for dps not including sorcs), its not going to help you anymore. And 99% of people can reach those numbers simple by using bi stat food.