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hard work vs bad luck
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This is a concept that is too easily confused here.
Running the same dungeon x times for x set to drop in a random encounter is not hard work, that is *** luck.
Running extremely difficult content and clearing it for x chance at x gear is hard work.
Repeatedly doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over is not hard, it is tedious, annoying and boring.
If I was required to learn a new dungeon that was taxing on my abilities as a human in reaction time as well as my abilities as a gamer and that dungeon was so hard that a small % of people could actually complete it.
If I ran that dungeon so many times I got it beat and then got my gear and it was awesome, thats hard work.
Burning through a vet dungeon farming helmets is not hard, it's annoying.
These are not the same thing, so to say "I worked hard" at getting good luck, how is that even possible?
Running the same dungeon x times for x set to drop in a random encounter is not hard work, that is *** luck.
Running extremely difficult content and clearing it for x chance at x gear is hard work.
Repeatedly doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over is not hard, it is tedious, annoying and boring.
If I was required to learn a new dungeon that was taxing on my abilities as a human in reaction time as well as my abilities as a gamer and that dungeon was so hard that a small % of people could actually complete it.
If I ran that dungeon so many times I got it beat and then got my gear and it was awesome, thats hard work.
Burning through a vet dungeon farming helmets is not hard, it's annoying.
These are not the same thing, so to say "I worked hard" at getting good luck, how is that even possible?
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
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✭✭✭✭✭TL:DR You can't work hard to win a slot machine.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.7 -
Function✭✭✭The result of a terrible loot system that is based completely on RNG, people can run something an infinite amount of times and never get the item they want. Even worse is that they don't even become closer to getting that item with each run.. their odds are the exact same the 200th run that it was the 1st.2 -
Xellos77✭✭✭This is a concept that is too easily confused here.
Running the same dungeon x times for x set to drop in a random encounter is not hard work, that is *** luck.
Running extremely difficult content and clearing it for x chance at x gear is hard work.
Repeatedly doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over is not hard, it is tedious, annoying and boring.
If I was required to learn a new dungeon that was taxing on my abilities as a human in reaction time as well as my abilities as a gamer and that dungeon was so hard that a small % of people could actually complete it.
If I ran that dungeon so many times I got it beat and then got my gear and it was awesome, thats hard work.
Burning through a vet dungeon farming helmets is not hard, it's annoying.
These are not the same thing, so to say "I worked hard" at getting good luck, how is that even possible?
Best thread I've read today. I'd give +100 if I could.Ebonheart Pact/PS4/NA4 -
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✭It wouldn't be so bad if the sets were super good. IMO most of em' are super mediocre.Fernwood, EP Haderus NA
Lo Behold, AD Thornblade NA (formerly Haderus, inactive)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The result of a terrible loot system that is based completely on RNG, people can run something an infinite amount of times and never get the item they want. Even worse is that they don't even become closer to getting that item with each run.. their odds are the exact same the 200th run that it was the 1st.
This makes me think. Would it be possible for ZOS to implement an achievement that tracks down the number of dungeon runs for each dungeon, and that slightly increases the chances of dropping monster helms with each run/achievement tier?
Like how the chances of dropping laurels increase with your character's knowledge of the mercenary motif.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Xellos77✭✭✭The result of a terrible loot system that is based completely on RNG, people can run something an infinite amount of times and never get the item they want. Even worse is that they don't even become closer to getting that item with each run.. their odds are the exact same the 200th run that it was the 1st.
This makes me think. Would it be possible for ZOS to implement an achievement that tracks down the number of dungeon runs for each dungeon, and that slightly increases the chances of dropping monster helms with each run/achievement tier?
Like how the chances of dropping laurels increase with your character's knowledge of the mercenary motif.
Or, how about actually fixing the whole damn thing entirely by adding a "Dungeon Mark" system. You know, where you earn dungeon marks from running them and spend those marks on gear you are in search of?
But no, let's further tweak RNG.Ebonheart Pact/PS4/NA1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The result of a terrible loot system that is based completely on RNG, people can run something an infinite amount of times and never get the item they want. Even worse is that they don't even become closer to getting that item with each run.. their odds are the exact same the 200th run that it was the 1st.
This makes me think. Would it be possible for ZOS to implement an achievement that tracks down the number of dungeon runs for each dungeon, and that slightly increases the chances of dropping monster helms with each run/achievement tier?
Like how the chances of dropping laurels increase with your character's knowledge of the mercenary motif.
Or, how about actually fixing the whole damn thing entirely by adding a "Dungeon Mark" system. You know, where you earn dungeon marks from running them and spend those marks on gear you are in search of?
But no, let's further tweak RNG.
Sure, a token system like GW2 has (although their dungeon equipment isn't BiS) would be fine too.
It is just that RNG doesn't need to be this frustrating. It doesn't need to have several layers. It doesn't need to have no progression to the odds.
And there is a similar system in place already, so there's that.
(also, no need to get your panties in a twist, it was just a suggestion since the other guy complained that the odds are the same no matter how many times you ran the dungeon, geez).Edited by Abeille on February 5, 2016 3:51PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Xellos77✭✭✭RNG is fine for games like Diablo 3, where it's expected and intended. No mystery there. However, in an MMO it should be minimized, especially when the chances of getting what you need are broken down into not only the piece itself, but the attributes AND armor type. It's why I just didn't care about any of this hunt and am perfectly fine with fully crafted gear.
I suppose for these reasons, I don't understand what all the crying is about with people demanding that these monster sets not be sold. Luck had all the involvement in getting these and not "hard work" as was pointed out.
So because you were lucky, and some other poor guy/gal wasn't, eff them and "it's not fair"? Gimme a break.
It's why MMOs in general went the way of the amusement park. Nowadays, games like UO would make people straight-up murder others. Want to talk about fair? Go play on a free shard and acquire a dose of humility.Ebonheart Pact/PS4/NA0 -
Xellos77✭✭✭Additionally, with games like ESO, WoW, and about any other in existence, lots of tears come in the form of "players keep mob-stealing, that's not fair" or "stealing my chest while I'm fighting another mob is unfair", or even "Don't sell my item I earned through immense luck in a store, it's not fair".
In UO?
Create your character. Log in. Decide to start exploring the country side.
You: "Ah! What's this? Another player? Let's go say 'hiya!'"
Slam. Slam. Fizzle. Burn. Ouch. I'm dead.
You: Wait, did they just take all my stuff? Umm.. did they just kill all the healers in the area too so I can't get a rez? F***.
Other player's response: "F***ing welcome to UO. NOOB"Ebonheart Pact/PS4/NA0 -
Im not mad, engine guardian sturdy helment after 80+ killsPS4/EU
PSN - Galvanise
Galvanize - V16 High Elf Magicka Sorcerer AD (Main)
Shoonoo - V16 Wood Elf Stamina Nightblade AD
Twaddle - V16 High Elf Magicka Templar AD
Need name pls - V16 Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight AD
SplarrIsagayla - V16 Redguard Stamina Dragonknight AD
Galvanise Deus - V16 High Elf Magicka Nightblade DC
Gee Two Kay - V16 High Elf Templar DC
Jormasauros Jr - V16 Dark Elf Magicka Dragonknight DC
Lynog the Jedi - V16 Stamina Sorcerer DC
Asemplee - V16 Redguard Stamina Nightblade DC0 -
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✭RNG is fine for games like Diablo 3, where it's expected and intended. No mystery there. However, in an MMO it should be minimized, especially when the chances of getting what you need are broken down into not only the piece itself, but the attributes AND armor type. It's why I just didn't care about any of this hunt and am perfectly fine with fully crafted gear.
I suppose for these reasons, I don't understand what all the crying is about with people demanding that these monster sets not be sold. Luck had all the involvement in getting these and not "hard work" as was pointed out.
So because you were lucky, and some other poor guy/gal wasn't, eff them and "it's not fair"? Gimme a break.
It's why MMOs in general went the way of the amusement park. Nowadays, games like UO would make people straight-up murder others. Want to talk about fair? Go play on a free shard and acquire a dose of humility.
i have to say i'm not against the set's being sold i'm being against that they will be alot easier to obtain in PvP with the correct trait then doing the content where it drops. Lower the RNG droprate in dungeons and it's even. now it's weird the additinal way of getting it is easier then the way it was designed of getting it0 -
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✭Yeah, it's the same with farming mats and refining them.
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just to get 0 Tempering Alloy, Dreugh Wax or Rosin. With a bit more luck, 2.
Not acutally hard work, yet a lot of effort, though. And also annoying as hell.
Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Frances Demnevanni - Breton Dragonknight VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Raygee - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Lady Olivieri - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Donna Demnevanni - Breton Templar VR16, DC, Tamriel Hero
Elaine Benes - Breton Templar VR16, EP | Ray McCluck - Breton Sorcerer VR16, EP
Moonshadow Demnevanni - Dunmer Dragonknight Lvl 50, EP | Jamie Stacey - Redguard Templar Lvl 50, EP
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✭✭✭✭✭RNG is fine for games like Diablo 3, where it's expected and intended. No mystery there. However, in an MMO it should be minimized, especially when the chances of getting what you need are broken down into not only the piece itself, but the attributes AND armor type. It's why I just didn't care about any of this hunt and am perfectly fine with fully crafted gear.
I suppose for these reasons, I don't understand what all the crying is about with people demanding that these monster sets not be sold. Luck had all the involvement in getting these and not "hard work" as was pointed out.
I see that the topic upsets you so I won't answer to the rest of your post. I actually agree with the OP (that "insightful is mine), and I agree with the monster sets being sold.
People are frustrated because the RNG in this game is really frustrating. It is understandable. I usually have really bad luck myself, and never got a single drop I could use (it is well-fitted festival baby!), so I will most likely buy the monster sets. If the RNG wasn't so frustrating, maybe people wouldn't be crying about the monster set being sold. That's all I'm saying :TJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Julianos✭✭✭✭✭This is a concept that is too easily confused here.
Running the same dungeon x times for x set to drop in a random encounter is not hard work, that is *** luck.
Running extremely difficult content and clearing it for x chance at x gear is hard work.
Repeatedly doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over is not hard, it is tedious, annoying and boring.
If I was required to learn a new dungeon that was taxing on my abilities as a human in reaction time as well as my abilities as a gamer and that dungeon was so hard that a small % of people could actually complete it.
If I ran that dungeon so many times I got it beat and then got my gear and it was awesome, thats hard work.
Burning through a vet dungeon farming helmets is not hard, it's annoying.
These are not the same thing, so to say "I worked hard" at getting good luck, how is that even possible?
So true^
RNG is idiotic system its only good for cosmetic items which they dont have any impact on gameplay.
Unfortunatly ESO community loves RNG.
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The main problem with the ESO "end game" is that people are spoiled by games like WoW where there is a TON to do. Dungeons. Heroic dungeons. Mythic dungeons. Raids. Raid finder. Normal, Heroic, and Mythic raids. Then if you get bored, SOLO RAIDS for xmog gear (ZOS doesn't even HAVE an xmog system).
So much quality of life content missing. But that all takes time and more importantly, INVESTMENT.
So, they do what most publishers do and fill in the gaps with GRIND. Which just burns people out, but at least it keeps them around longer than if they just reached the end of the content.
More alt slots and a character re-customizer would help, as would a focus on end-game content that was fun, and not tailored so much to "hardcore" or "grind grind grind," both of which are an extreme minority of people that find such content "fun."
The game is still young.0 -
skydrac✭results : 2500 rawhides scraps
green 1,04% 26 p
bleu 1% 25p
purple 0,88 % 22p
gold 0,36 % 9 p
hello eso makers WAKE UP AND STOP DESTROYING THIS GAME !!!!!!!!!
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Vekoeros✭✭Additionally, with games like ESO, WoW, and about any other in existence, lots of tears come in the form of "players keep mob-stealing, that's not fair" or "stealing my chest while I'm fighting another mob is unfair", or even "Don't sell my item I earned through immense luck in a store, it's not fair".
In UO?
Create your character. Log in. Decide to start exploring the country side.
You: "Ah! What's this? Another player? Let's go say 'hiya!'"
Slam. Slam. Fizzle. Burn. Ouch. I'm dead.
You: Wait, did they just take all my stuff? Umm.. did they just kill all the healers in the area too so I can't get a rez? F***.
Other player's response: "F***ing welcome to UO. NOOB"
hehe sounds like Tibia with the added steps of in Tibia it was 10 people killing you over and over and the only response you would ever receive is "cry is free"
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munkt0r✭✭✭Additionally, with games like ESO, WoW, and about any other in existence, lots of tears come in the form of "players keep mob-stealing, that's not fair" or "stealing my chest while I'm fighting another mob is unfair", or even "Don't sell my item I earned through immense luck in a store, it's not fair".
In UO?
Create your character. Log in. Decide to start exploring the country side.
You: "Ah! What's this? Another player? Let's go say 'hiya!'"
Slam. Slam. Fizzle. Burn. Ouch. I'm dead.
You: Wait, did they just take all my stuff? Umm.. did they just kill all the healers in the area too so I can't get a rez? F***.
Other player's response: "F***ing welcome to UO. NOOB"
Right up until UO made a newb friendly area and most of the hardcores quit.0 -
RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a concept that is too easily confused here.
Running the same dungeon x times for x set to drop in a random encounter is not hard work, that is *** luck.
Running extremely difficult content and clearing it for x chance at x gear is hard work.
Repeatedly doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over is not hard, it is tedious, annoying and boring.
If I was required to learn a new dungeon that was taxing on my abilities as a human in reaction time as well as my abilities as a gamer and that dungeon was so hard that a small % of people could actually complete it.
If I ran that dungeon so many times I got it beat and then got my gear and it was awesome, thats hard work.
Burning through a vet dungeon farming helmets is not hard, it's annoying.
These are not the same thing, so to say "I worked hard" at getting good luck, how is that even possible?
So true^
RNG is idiotic system its only good for cosmetic items which they dont have any impact on gameplay.
Unfortunatly Zenimax loves trolling.
Fixed that for you
I have neve once met anyone on this forum or ingame that has not agreed that the RNG in this game is crap. PS4 NA
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