What's "fair", and how are you forced to do anything?

HebrewHatchet

I don't understand what people think the word "fair" means. Most people believe that nightblades have advantages in PvP that make them stand out. They are being toned down. Most people believe that Templar healing is OP, it is being toned down. That's all well and good, but why do people think they deserve compensation for that? The game is being rebalanced, you don't deserve anything just because your OP ability is now more balanced. Just be glad you got to ride the OP wave while your class was over the power curve. Don't worry, it will happen again, these things go in cycles!

Also, you're not forced to do anything. You don't have to give up your Templar because BoL is now only "barely" the best heal in the game. You can adjust! If you are healing endgame, you're clearly a good enough player that BoL hitting 2 people will be different, but workable.

If you're complaining, do you really want things to be so easy? Take the nerf with stride and kick ass despite the tweak to your favorite abilities.

The realy good players adjust, the rest complain. That's my opinion.

Edit: grammar

Lysette

IMO this goes even further - a real hero can shine with an AVERAGE character, by using his/her brain and make the best out it. It is not being a hero with an OP build, that would be just a fail, if he/she would not be on top in this case. But it would be an achievement to be on top with an average class, just by being more clever and knowing and playing that class that much better than others to have an edge. Most heroes in the real world are quite average people, who did something outstanding and showed bravery and compassion. To win with an OP class is not an art, but to do it with an average or even more with one, that is said to be less than average, these classes create real heroes. So don't be proud to win with an OP class, because that is not your skill, but the gear and the OP advantage what wins - if you want to be a hero and you want to truely win, do it with an average or even less than average class and show that you are a true hero, where your own personal skill is superior.

Edit: with that said, all the whiners and "nerf this, nerf that" players are for certain no heroes, they do not have what it takes and that is why they complain.

Vangy

The words fair and op are very subjective. For example, I may feel that BOL is completely balanced while you may feel that BOL is op. If no one complains, no changes will happen. How do you think things like cloak and Bol got nerfed in the first place? By people manning up and taking things in their stride? Hell no. They got nerfed due to the 10000 nerf cloak nerf Bol complain posts. Also if you're a good player, you could have learnt to counter these "op" skills yet they still got nerfed yea?

It goes both ways. This is a public mmo forum and your actually asking people not to complain or whine?? Seriously? I want to know what brand of skoooma ur smoking cos I want a piece of that too lol.

Lysette

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Vangy

....... Men playing video games turn you on? Jesus where have u been all my life... LOL


also that is one of the most sexist things I've read in my life. Akin to go make me a sandwich woman.

Lysette

Sexist or not, that is how I feel - its my nature and I am not ashamed to express it.

Vangy

Sure now off to the kitchen with you :S

nordsavage

I have an issue with the words "workable, doable, tolerable" and the like. What if ESO becomes just "playable". This is not a comment for or against the change but when terms as those start coming into games and become the accepted norm I feel they risk diminishing our experience. (*cough* tanking *cough*) I state it when I talked about other nerfs. Some did not need to be mandatory. If you find it bland or easy you either are not playing the difficult content or lack the willpower to play your own way just because you are not forced into the harder or more abstract playing methods. I would go as far to say why not take BOL off your bar altogether hot shot. I can guarantee that you have an ability you use and would be devastated to have altered that others consider overpowered.

Volkodav

Lysette wrote: »

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Ya know,you have no way to know who is male and who isnt.Many of those people you have just disrespected are NOT men.They are female players.
That's just you being bias.
ps,
I am a female player,btw.

Lysette

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Ya know,you have no way to know who is male and who isnt.Many of those people you have just disrespected are NOT men.They are female players.
That's just you being bias.
ps,
I am a female player,btw.

Respect has to be earned, it is not given by default. And I cannot respect a whiner, who cries, when he/she does not have an OP class any longer. I know a couple of brave women and even brave girls in real life - just take Laura Dekker, who sailed alone around the world at the age of 13-15 in a small ketch. This girl is a true hero for me, she is brave and she did not use a big boat, but her tiny ketch, she was not overpowered at all and took the challenge on and made her dream come true. This is what I can respect. When someone is brave enough to do something extraordinary with not the best of equipment.

Volkodav

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Ya know,you have no way to know who is male and who isnt.Many of those people you have just disrespected are NOT men.They are female players.
That's just you being bias.
ps,
I am a female player,btw.

Respect has to be earned, it is not given by default. And I cannot respect a whiner, who cries, when he/she does not have an OP class any longer. I know a couple of brave women and even brave girls in real life - just take Laura Dekker, who sailed alone around the world at the age of 13-15 in a small ketch. This girl is a true hero for me, she is brave and she did not use a big boat, but her tiny ketch, she was not overpowered at all and took the challenge on and made her dream come true. This is what I can respect. When someone is brave enough to do something extraordinary with not the best of equipment.

Fine by me.Whiners are whiners.I am speaking of your words indicating that all the whiners here are men.They are not.
Ya know,you arent even talking about people who play games.Your samples of humankind have no impact here. You seem a rather hard edged unforgiving type who is extremely judgemental.
Your drawing down on men is far too unwelcome in these forums.

Lysette

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Ya know,you have no way to know who is male and who isnt.Many of those people you have just disrespected are NOT men.They are female players.
That's just you being bias.
ps,
I am a female player,btw.

Respect has to be earned, it is not given by default. And I cannot respect a whiner, who cries, when he/she does not have an OP class any longer. I know a couple of brave women and even brave girls in real life - just take Laura Dekker, who sailed alone around the world at the age of 13-15 in a small ketch. This girl is a true hero for me, she is brave and she did not use a big boat, but her tiny ketch, she was not overpowered at all and took the challenge on and made her dream come true. This is what I can respect. When someone is brave enough to do something extraordinary with not the best of equipment.

Fine by me.Whiners are whiners.I am speaking of your words indicating that all the whiners here are men.They are not.
Ya know,you arent even talking about people who play games.Your samples of humankind have no impact here. You seem a rather hard edged unforgiving type who is extremely judgemental.
Your drawing down on men is far too unwelcome in these forums.

I agree that this is not the right place for this. I wanted to let it as is in my first post to this. This whining will never end with people, who just want the best of the best class to win. There will never be a solution to this, if they do not want or are able to play an average class with an average build. Because a truely balanced game would be exactly this - all average builds, and the true hero would be that one, who is able to win with this average build. That is what I wanted to point out in the first place. All other are my private feelings, which do not have to be in this forum. But I was more or less forced to explain myself.

Vangy

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Ya know,you have no way to know who is male and who isnt.Many of those people you have just disrespected are NOT men.They are female players.
That's just you being bias.
ps,
I am a female player,btw.

Respect has to be earned, it is not given by default. And I cannot respect a whiner, who cries, when he/she does not have an OP class any longer. I know a couple of brave women and even brave girls in real life - just take Laura Dekker, who sailed alone around the world at the age of 13-15 in a small ketch. This girl is a true hero for me, she is brave and she did not use a big boat, but her tiny ketch, she was not overpowered at all and took the challenge on and made her dream come true. This is what I can respect. When someone is brave enough to do something extraordinary with not the best of equipment.

Fine by me.Whiners are whiners.I am speaking of your words indicating that all the whiners here are men.They are not.
Ya know,you arent even talking about people who play games.Your samples of humankind have no impact here. You seem a rather hard edged unforgiving type who is extremely judgemental.
Your drawing down on men is far too unwelcome in these forums.

I agree that this is not the right place for this. I wanted to let it as is in my first post to this. This whining will never end with people, who just want the best of the best class to win. There will never be a solution to this, if they do not want or are able to play an average class with an average build. Because a truely balance game would be exactly this - all average builds, and the true hero would be that one, who is able to win with this average build. That is what I wanted to point out in the first place. All other are my private feelings, which do not have to be in this forum. But I was more or less forced to explain myself.

Take a gander at what I bolded from your quote....

You should re-read the title of this thread that you are so vehemently agreeing with... The sweet irony.

Volkodav

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Ya know,you have no way to know who is male and who isnt.Many of those people you have just disrespected are NOT men.They are female players.
That's just you being bias.
ps,
I am a female player,btw.

Respect has to be earned, it is not given by default. And I cannot respect a whiner, who cries, when he/she does not have an OP class any longer. I know a couple of brave women and even brave girls in real life - just take Laura Dekker, who sailed alone around the world at the age of 13-15 in a small ketch. This girl is a true hero for me, she is brave and she did not use a big boat, but her tiny ketch, she was not overpowered at all and took the challenge on and made her dream come true. This is what I can respect. When someone is brave enough to do something extraordinary with not the best of equipment.

Fine by me.Whiners are whiners.I am speaking of your words indicating that all the whiners here are men.They are not.
Ya know,you arent even talking about people who play games.Your samples of humankind have no impact here. You seem a rather hard edged unforgiving type who is extremely judgemental.
Your drawing down on men is far too unwelcome in these forums.

I agree that this is not the right place for this. I wanted to let it as is in my first post to this. This whining will never end with people, who just want the best of the best class to win. There will never be a solution to this, if they do not want or are able to play an average class with an average build. Because a truely balanced game would be exactly this - all average builds, and the true hero would be that one, who is able to win with this average build. That is what I wanted to point out in the first place. All other are my private feelings, which do not have to be in this forum. But I was more or less forced to explain myself.

I thank you for not using the male of the specie for examples.This is much more palatable. :}
I am sorry for your personal feelings about men.

Lysette

Maybe I am misunderstood or explained myself in a wrong way - I support the original post, I went just a step further.

Edit: I see the whole thing from a role play perspective. A role player takes a character how it is and develops it from there, accepting all faults and benefits this character has. Maybe that is clearer now and why I am against this permanent whining and the urge to have the best of all classes. It is just not role play like and this is a role playing game.

Lysette

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Very simple - I am female and men who whine, instead to take things on and make them happen, are not erotic to me, but fill me with disgust. I just did not want to say it that directly, but now you forced me to. These wanna-be men, who want to be heroes, but are not man enough to do it with something what is not overpowered, nah, they are just not my thing.

Ya know,you have no way to know who is male and who isnt.Many of those people you have just disrespected are NOT men.They are female players.
That's just you being bias.
ps,
I am a female player,btw.

Respect has to be earned, it is not given by default. And I cannot respect a whiner, who cries, when he/she does not have an OP class any longer. I know a couple of brave women and even brave girls in real life - just take Laura Dekker, who sailed alone around the world at the age of 13-15 in a small ketch. This girl is a true hero for me, she is brave and she did not use a big boat, but her tiny ketch, she was not overpowered at all and took the challenge on and made her dream come true. This is what I can respect. When someone is brave enough to do something extraordinary with not the best of equipment.

Fine by me.Whiners are whiners.I am speaking of your words indicating that all the whiners here are men.They are not.
Ya know,you arent even talking about people who play games.Your samples of humankind have no impact here. You seem a rather hard edged unforgiving type who is extremely judgemental.
Your drawing down on men is far too unwelcome in these forums.

I agree that this is not the right place for this. I wanted to let it as is in my first post to this. This whining will never end with people, who just want the best of the best class to win. There will never be a solution to this, if they do not want or are able to play an average class with an average build. Because a truely balanced game would be exactly this - all average builds, and the true hero would be that one, who is able to win with this average build. That is what I wanted to point out in the first place. All other are my private feelings, which do not have to be in this forum. But I was more or less forced to explain myself.

I thank you for not using the male of the specie for examples.This is much more palatable. :}
I am sorry for your personal feelings about men.

Yeah, that is why I live with a woman, I guess. But I am comfortable with this now.

Edit: and it is not men in general, I have respect for a lot of men. But they need to have qualities, which let me feel that they are manly. Well, it is hard to say it in a way, which will not raise again bad feelings in some. So I will just let go on this now.