Dueling on PTS

sirrmattus

There are duels going on now and I have yet to see a stamina build win a fight. Phys resist cp ruined stam.

Forestd16b14_ESO

sirrmattus wrote: »

There are duels going on now and I have yet to see a stamina build win a fight. Phys resist cp ruined stam.

I am a stamina user and a DK tank and I been winning fights..... But honestly I only won cause of the buff to DOTs that's it

R0M2K

Agree

Waffennacht

You haven't seen a stam vs stam yet?

Hrm, I can't test but I wonder as to why would this be any more impactful on stam than it was for magicka?

We've always had a CP line completely dedicated to ruining our dps, yet we managed, why would stam not be able to over the come the exact same treatment?

sirrmattus

not sure but its happening

MrGigglypants

Waffennacht wrote: »

You haven't seen a stam vs stam yet?

Hrm, I can't test but I wonder as to why would this be any more impactful on stam than it was for magicka?

We've always had a CP line completely dedicated to ruining our dps, yet we managed, why would stam not be able to over the come the exact same treatment?

Stam heals are complete trash by comparison that's probably a good starting point.

sirrmattus

im full heavy black rose and 2x bloodspawn, and i just go thit with a 12k assassins will... wtf

Lexxypwns

sirrmattus wrote: »

im full heavy black rose and 2x bloodspawn, and i just go thit with a 12k assassins will... wtf

dat baby assassin's will, was he wearing decon trash?

Also, can't wait to reroll magika DK

Seido_Tensei_

Waffennacht wrote: »

You haven't seen a stam vs stam yet?

Hrm, I can't test but I wonder as to why would this be any more impactful on stam than it was for magicka?

We've always had a CP line completely dedicated to ruining our dps, yet we managed, why would stam not be able to over the come the exact same treatment?

Concentration passive in the light armor tree is actually a lot better then the Increase weapon damage med armor gets.
When it comes to damage, mitigation calculation has a deeper impact then spell/weapon damage. Meaning even though magicka builds have been complaining about lack of spell power, between inner light and concentration magicka tends do higher sustained DPS. Stamina was always great for burst, now that is no longer the case.

blabafat

Having a magicka mitigation but not a stamina one is balanced?

sirrmattus

blabafat wrote: »

Having a magicka mitigation but not a stamina one is balanced?

@blabafat

do what?

Waffennacht

I mean there has always been a "prevent x% of magic damage" CP line, why is it that the "prevent x% of physical damage" any more impactful?

I can see heals being a factor, but aren't vigor and rally the best heals in game?

I wish I could test too. Anyway, I'm really curious what's going on.

blabafat

sirrmattus wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

Having a magicka mitigation but not a stamina one is balanced?

@blabafat

do what?

You said that stam is ruined because the physical damage can be mitigated through CP. So, do you think it was balanced last patch? When there was a magic damage mitigation, but there was none for physical damage

sirrmattus

Waffennacht wrote: »

I mean there has always been a "prevent x% of magic damage" CP line, why is it that the "prevent x% of physical damage" any more impactful?

I can see heals being a factor, but aren't vigor and rally the best heals in game?

I wish I could test too. Anyway, I'm really curious what's going on.

LMAOOOO vigor and rally best heals in game??

Waffennacht

sirrmattus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I mean there has always been a "prevent x% of magic damage" CP line, why is it that the "prevent x% of physical damage" any more impactful?

I can see heals being a factor, but aren't vigor and rally the best heals in game?

I wish I could test too. Anyway, I'm really curious what's going on.

LMAOOOO vigor and rally best heals in game??

Ill take that as a no lol. Im magicka user so have never used them before. I just hear about how they are must haves and I assumed that meant it was good.

Im also unaware of any temp moves, expect people mention BoL and i hear that's nerfed.

So heals are OP now (in duels?) What's your take?

leepalmer95

sirrmattus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I mean there has always been a "prevent x% of magic damage" CP line, why is it that the "prevent x% of physical damage" any more impactful?

I can see heals being a factor, but aren't vigor and rally the best heals in game?

I wish I could test too. Anyway, I'm really curious what's going on.

LMAOOOO vigor and rally best heals in game??

Vigor is very good, High Hot which you can slot regardless on weapons.

Ahzek

Vigor and rally are must haves cause they are the ONLY reliable stam heals. They are good for sure, but there is no way fo a stam build to reliably and repeatedly gain HP like healing ward, BoL and hardened ward allow. Instead stamina builds have to rely more on dodge, block and mitigation to not take as much damage in the first place.

NovaShadow

This seems like a QQ thread cause stam now can't insta kill.

I'm all for the physical resist CP's. It was needed long ago.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Ahzek wrote: »

Vigor and rally are must haves cause they are the ONLY reliable stam heals. They are good for sure, but there is no way for a stam build to reliably and repeatedly gain HP like healing ward, BoL and hardened ward allow. Instead stamina builds have to rely more on dodge to not take as much damage in the first place.

Fixed. Sorry but it's just dodge ZOS made it clear they hate tanks and tank play which includes blocking and resistance. Why else is there a penitently for blocking and a hard cap for resistance.

leepalmer95

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Vigor and rally are must haves cause they are the ONLY reliable stam heals. They are good for sure, but there is no way for a stam build to reliably and repeatedly gain HP like healing ward, BoL and hardened ward allow. Instead stamina builds have to rely more on dodge to not take as much damage in the first place.

Fixed. Sorry but it's just dodge ZOS made it clear they hate tanks and tank play which includes blocking and resistance. Why else is there a penitently for blocking and a hard cap for resistance.

Mostly because of those perma tanks that i could deal with easily in 1.6 but other people for some reason couldn't. I mean it's not like every class has a skill that drops block or anything...

laksikus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Vigor and rally are must haves cause they are the ONLY reliable stam heals. They are good for sure, but there is no way for a stam build to reliably and repeatedly gain HP like healing ward, BoL and hardened ward allow. Instead stamina builds have to rely more on dodge to not take as much damage in the first place.

Fixed. Sorry but it's just dodge ZOS made it clear they hate tanks and tank play which includes blocking and resistance. Why else is there a penitently for blocking and a hard cap for resistance.

Mostly because of those perma tanks that i could deal with easily in 1.6 but other people for some reason couldn't. I mean it's not like every class has a skill that drops block or anything...

do they?
and i was thinking you can block through fear? or any other cc for that matter

Forestd16b14_ESO

laksikus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Vigor and rally are must haves cause they are the ONLY reliable stam heals. They are good for sure, but there is no way for a stam build to reliably and repeatedly gain HP like healing ward, BoL and hardened ward allow. Instead stamina builds have to rely more on dodge to not take as much damage in the first place.

Fixed. Sorry but it's just dodge ZOS made it clear they hate tanks and tank play which includes blocking and resistance. Why else is there a penitently for blocking and a hard cap for resistance.

Mostly because of those perma tanks that i could deal with easily in 1.6 but other people for some reason couldn't. I mean it's not like every class has a skill that drops block or anything...

do they?
and i was thinking you can block through fear? or any other cc for that matter

Fear can not be blocked nor fossilized but unlike fear fossilized breaks on damage.

lolo_01b16_ESO

laksikus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

Vigor and rally are must haves cause they are the ONLY reliable stam heals. They are good for sure, but there is no way for a stam build to reliably and repeatedly gain HP like healing ward, BoL and hardened ward allow. Instead stamina builds have to rely more on dodge to not take as much damage in the first place.

Fixed. Sorry but it's just dodge ZOS made it clear they hate tanks and tank play which includes blocking and resistance. Why else is there a penitently for blocking and a hard cap for resistance.

Mostly because of those perma tanks that i could deal with easily in 1.6 but other people for some reason couldn't. I mean it's not like every class has a skill that drops block or anything...

do they?
and i was thinking you can block through fear? or any other cc for that matter

You drop block while feared, this was changed quite a while ago. Also you can stun people that are blocking with Fossilize, Rune Cage, Agony and Luminous shards (not sure about the last one though)

TX12001rwb17_ESO

I have noticed all DKS are fighting the exact same way, they are spamming talons, fire lash and dragon leap.

Elhanan

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I have noticed all DKS are fighting the exact same way, they are spamming talons, fire lash and dragon leap.

Are you suggesting this is something new? Isn't this pretty much the bread and butter (though substituting standard then for leap now) magicka DK since PC release? These skills have always been present on the DK meta builds I've ever since (minus the old vamp dk impulse talon swarm spam). Whip is our only good instant damage ability and talons has been one of our best cc's. Even in the last few months, the few magicka DKs around used this skills.

deod30

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I have noticed all DKS are fighting the exact same way, they are spamming talons, fire lash and dragon leap.

might be smart to get elemental defender or make ur new char dark elf then... before patch.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Does that physical resist passive stack ON TOP of shields? If you can hit shields for 25% less when no other character buff (like armor level) affects shields then that is a little OP.

Lexxypwns

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Does that physical resist passive stack ON TOP of shields? If you can hit shields for 25% less when no other character buff (like armor level) affects shields then that is a little OP.

there's a bonus damage to damage shields CP, that's balanced since you can get physical or magic damage CP + shield damage CP, effectively negating Bastion

tplink3r1

Ask for a physical mitigation CP passive when you get hit by a WB 36 meters away.

RAGUNAnoOne

Console player here trying to get info for the guild how is dueling implemented as of now? like how do you duel someone and what are risks and rewards? is there grieving potential?