Nightblades - Thieves Guild Update and Beyond

Publius_Scipio · February 2016

Alright. I have one char, always have. I am a stamina NB. I am NOT going to create and grind any alts.

I want all you experts (even those of you that aren't NBs) to distill for me (preliminarily) where NBs stand based on the PTS patch notes. Will there be a hit to utility or DPS?

Is it a waste for me to spend resources right now on 4 piece mork, 5 piece hundings, and agility jewelry before DLC is released?

Carnafex where the hell are you in the forums?

Edit: Worst case scenario, i would respec to magic if need be. But no new character.

czar · February 2016

i'm in the same boat as you. can't be bothered to level another character and have been running nightblade since beta. i used to run a more balanced build instead of pure stam, so i might go back to that.

Publius_Scipio · February 2016

Also I would like to know if sorcs (specifically their shields) are more balanced and manageable where one doesn't have to be a mojican or aenlir and dedicate 1/3 of their waking life to ESO in order to get a build together that can have a fair/balanced fight with a sorc.

Eradrann · February 2016

Ditto with both above.

Lord_Hev · February 2016

Why do you care? You don't even fight or do anything other then talk.

themdogesbite · February 2016

Pretty sure it wont be to diffrent for you.

Damage, still great.
Survivability, Still great.
Depending if the crit morph still makes dot not tick aslong as you are cloak, that morph togheter with crit damage mundus = nomnom.

I think this cloak change more or less was the best they could do wihtout completely killing the skill.

Soulac · February 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

Pretty sure it wont be to diffrent for you.

Damage, still great.
Survivability, Still great.
Depending if the crit morph still makes dot not tick aslong as you are cloak, that morph togheter with crit damage mundus = nomnom.

I think this cloak change more or less was the best they could do wihtout completely killing the skill.

Without shields and purge it will be quite fun to see Stamina nightblades against the king of dots, the DK.

Lifecode666 · February 2016

Same here. Nightblade since Beta.
I don't think the patchnotes look so bad.

Steeltornado range has been nerfed.
cloak has been tweaked.
If you guys wanna help out pls go to nightblade thread and sign to get physical damagemorph for killersblade

Master_Kas · February 2016

Lifecode666 wrote: »

Same here. Nightblade since Beta.
I don't think the patchnotes look so bad.

Steeltornado range has been nerfed.
cloak has been tweaked.
If you guys wanna help out pls go to nightblade thread and sign to get physical damagemorph for killersblade

Really an execute will help stamina nightblades?

JDar · February 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Also I would like to know if sorcs (specifically their shields) are more balanced and manageable where one doesn't have to be a mojican or aenlir and dedicate 1/3 of their waking life to ESO in order to get a build together that can have a fair/balanced fight with a sorc.

I hate to go off topic but I have to point out. That's a bit of a backhanded compliment. Maybe those guys spend a healthy amount of their free time in ESO but they're not good because of that, they're good because they're good.

You know what they say study long study wrong.

Scamandros · February 2016

Someone once told me that more yogurt was the solution to everything

Publius_Scipio · February 2016

I don't care that cloak is no longer a purge. I say that ZOS overthought and overcomplicated some skills in ESO. For example cloak should always have been about going invisible only.

Publius_Scipio · February 2016

JDar wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Also I would like to know if sorcs (specifically their shields) are more balanced and manageable where one doesn't have to be a mojican or aenlir and dedicate 1/3 of their waking life to ESO in order to get a build together that can have a fair/balanced fight with a sorc.

I hate to go off topic but I have to point out. That's a bit of a backhanded compliment. Maybe those guys spend a healthy amount of their free time in ESO but they're not good because of that, they're good because they're good.

You know what they say study long study wrong.

What? They spend a healthy amount of their time in ESO but they aren't good because of that?

Study long study wrong, who the [snip] said that?

Scamandros wrote: »

Someone once told me that more yogurt was the solution to everything

Either myself or Krotha said that to you.

God_flakes · February 2016

I am and have always been exclusively a magblade and have no desire or time to grind an alt, despite pleadings by a guildie to work on a Sorc alt I started a long time ago. I like my magblade/bloodmage. As it looks IMO zos is trying to move us in the direction of being group busters. Which I am on the fence about.

Crown · February 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

As it looks IMO zos is trying to move us in the direction of being group busters. Which I am on the fence about.

@God_flakes This entire patch is all about forcing groups to split up, as they're not able to address lag on the code side - so they're trying to force players to not bunch up as much. Less stacked players = less lag, so if they all die very quickly when they stack it will be a better playing experience for anyone who doesn't stack.

PosternHouse · February 2016

One group strategy being so strong as to become nearly universal among good groups gets boring anyways. I like the shifting of tactics because it encourages all of us to adopt new tactics and the builds necessary to implement those tactics.

Takes-No-Prisoner · February 2016

MagNB here, use to be StamNB for awhile til I switched, but I digress--

The weapon skill trees seem relatively unchanged. Seems like our class changes were relatively minor. As for Magelight, from how I understand it-- One needs to press the button to activate the anti-stealth ability[the light itself] for a number of seconds. And while it is up if you get caught in it you cannot re-stealth for 5 seconds. It just means we need to make good decisions about our spacing game when we approach a enemy. Because if we get hit with the anti-stealth debuff, we have to commit to defending ourselfs. This is something I agree with. I deserve to have to fight the enemy if they activate the skill while I am near by and ignorant to its presence on their bar. I should be intelligent enough to engage when it benefits me the most.

God_flakes · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

As it looks IMO zos is trying to move us in the direction of being group busters. Which I am on the fence about.

@God_flakes This entire patch is all about forcing groups to split up, as they're not able to address lag on the code side - so they're trying to force players to not bunch up as much. Less stacked players = less lag, so if they all die very quickly when they stack it will be a better playing experience for anyone who doesn't stack.

Crown, I see some things encouraging balls and some discouraging. I mean really...a steel tornado buff when they have to KNOW it's being spammed by zergs, many of them Ad side. Come on.

But I digress. I don't appreciate zos trying to make me a suicide bomber. It's not my play style. Hopefully, and I'm sure, many blades will fall in line. I'd love to see zergs like TM drop like flies.

WRX · February 2016

The big issue you will see is I can now mitigate your physical damage through the CP tree, and all magicka dps skills fall under the same CP line. Cloak is meh.

Dunno if someone put that or not.

Crown · February 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Crown, I see some things encouraging balls and some discouraging. I mean really...a steel tornado buff when they have to KNOW it's being spammed by zergs, many of them Ad side. Come on.

There are guilds that run multiple full raids of 24 stacking and spamming tornado in all factions. It's one of the reasons some of us log off in prime time - there's just no way to fight that without running more players than we want to. With the new changes, these players will have to know that 4-5 of us with proxy will wipe their 50+ stacked. It's something I'm looking forward to.

God_flakes wrote: »

But I digress. I don't appreciate zos trying to make me a suicide bomber. It's not my play style. Hopefully, and I'm sure, many blades will fall in line. I'd love to see zergs like TM drop like flies.

They're not making you a suicide bomber.. There's no reason you should be able to live through it. What they're doing is trying to force you to run groups of 6, and not stay too close to other groups from your own faction.

God_flakes · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Crown, I see some things encouraging balls and some discouraging. I mean really...a steel tornado buff when they have to KNOW it's being spammed by zergs, many of them Ad side. Come on.

There are guilds that run multiple full raids of 24 stacking and spamming tornado in all factions. It's one of the reasons some of us log off in prime time - there's just no way to fight that without running more players than we want to. With the new changes, these players will have to know that 4-5 of us with proxy will wipe their 50+ stacked. It's something I'm looking forward to.

God_flakes wrote: »

But I digress. I don't appreciate zos trying to make me a suicide bomber. It's not my play style. Hopefully, and I'm sure, many blades will fall in line. I'd love to see zergs like TM drop like flies.

They're not making you a suicide bomber.. There's no reason you should be able to live through it. What they're doing is trying to force you to run groups of 6, and not stay too close to other groups from your own faction.

LoL we log in prime time just to cap resources during those spamnado crusades. They never send the entire tornadocult-they send one or two dumb asses to the resource and we kill them. Then they send double and we kill them and then they send triple and we kill them. THEN they send 500,000,001 to smash our heads. It's pretty entertaining and quite ap productive.

If what you're saying is true, and I hope it works out that way, we should be fine as long as we have time to build our ulti before the 500million and 1 come. Haha