Stam DK vs Stam NB PVE

sirrmattus

I'd like to now which class does most dps
Aoe and single target endgame DD

Please be constructive. No trolling

Kr3do

Stam dk

Stam NB is with magicka templar at the bottom of the "DPS Foodchain" of PvE

sirrmattus

Kr3do wrote: »

Stam NB is with magicka templar at the bottom of the "DPS Foodchain" of PvE

I've never been in a group where someone out dps a Nb in aoe situation

ShadowDisciple

Stam dk

sirrmattus wrote: »

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Kr3do wrote: »

Stam NB is with magicka templar at the bottom of the "DPS Foodchain" of PvE

I've never been in a group where someone out dps a Nb in aoe situation

tornado?? dw bro

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Stam dk

I think the current rankings for single target are: 1. A sorc with full overload. 2. Magic Dk. 3. Stam DK. That being said, a stam DK does way more AoE, so in terms of total damage done on a Trial/Dungeon, Stam DK might be on top. Stam NBs still do solid DPS, and might win in a shorter fight because of their execute, but I am not 100% sold on that statement. Big problem is that a Stam NB's execute does no scale off of Mighty in the CP tree, so it is weak compared to other executes. DoT builds typically dont peak on the DPS meter until later in the fight.

Gilliam's new post on Stamblades is definitely shaking things up though. Will be interesting to see who is on top now that people are messing with VMA weapons. That bow really helps NB DPS and the idea of a flurry build with VMA daggers is very appealing with all the DK DoTs.

Wollust

Stam dk

Stamblade is PvE wise in a very tough spot these days, while stamdk is competing with overloadsorcs and magdks over the highest dps.

sirrmattus

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

How do dk sustain their stamina tho for long fights

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Stam dk

I am no expert on Stam DK. My DK has always been magic. I am sure they are chugging potions, using templar shards, and perhaps a cost reduction enchant on one piece of jewelry. Also, DKs get resources by casting Ultimates (and potentially earthenheart abilities, not sure thats practical though). With enough CP, sustain is less of an issue.

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

Artjuh90

Sorc shard spam..

stam dk has more dps then stam NB. stam NB isn't really that good in PvE could use a buff actually but with all the QQ of the PvP community about NB it wont be happening:D.
but magicka sorc is still on top

Lightninvash

Stam dk

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I am no expert on Stam DK. My DK has always been magic. I am sure they are chugging potions, using templar shards, and perhaps a cost reduction enchant on one piece of jewelry. Also, DKs get resources by casting Ultimates (and potentially earthenheart abilities, not sure thats practical though). With enough CP, sustain is less of an issue.

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

also the engine guardian set is helpful as far as I can understand(don't yet have it )

Kr3do

Stam dk

Kr3do wrote: »

Stam NB is with magicka templar at the bottom of the "DPS Foodchain" of PvE

Both use Steeltornado (And probably caltrops and arrow barrage) so i dont know why a nightblade should do more AoE damage

OmniDevil

Lightninvash wrote: »

also the engine guardian set is helpful as far as I can understand(don't yet have it )

You'll get it soon. Keep at it. I finally got my helm a couple weeks ago.

On the subject on Stam DK sustain, One piece Bloodspawn helps with that. I'm running Stam Regen on Neck as well, including using the new Max Health + Stam Recovery Orsinium drinks. Sitting at 1700 recovery in PvE sits (more in PvP). Of course, chugging potions does help.

Kelleton

Stam nb

sustain should be a non issue, problem is you are probably using wrong morph of an important pve skill. Highest sta dps person I know is a nb but he seems to be an outlier

DRXHarbinger

DK for DPS? Links to builds please. Mine does absolutely nothing.

DRXHarbinger

Current specs too please. Everything I Google is well out of date. My NB wrecks DKs.

Lexxypwns

Stam dk

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I am no expert on Stam DK. My DK has always been magic. I am sure they are chugging potions, using templar shards, and perhaps a cost reduction enchant on one piece of jewelry. Also, DKs get resources by casting Ultimates (and potentially earthenheart abilities, not sure thats practical though). With enough CP, sustain is less of an issue.

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

Am I mistaken, I thought elemental drain restores resources on stam DK dots?

Resipsa131

Stam dk

Top PvE DPS: Magicka Sorc, Magicka DK, Stamina Classes. They are so close its hard to tell NB might have better sustain with Siphoning/Caltrops/SteelTornado. After all Stamina Classes are Magicka Templar, then bringing up the rear are Magicka NB but they offer a ton of support and utility to group play. Offhealing from Sap Essence, Funnel Health, healing path, increased Crit rate, fast ultimate generation adn ultimates that offer mitigation for group play. Every class can play DPS in PvE.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Stam dk

Lightninvash wrote: »

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Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I am no expert on Stam DK. My DK has always been magic. I am sure they are chugging potions, using templar shards, and perhaps a cost reduction enchant on one piece of jewelry. Also, DKs get resources by casting Ultimates (and potentially earthenheart abilities, not sure thats practical though). With enough CP, sustain is less of an issue.

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

also the engine guardian set is helpful as far as I can understand(don't yet have it )

Engine guardian is a great set, but it has no place in a PVE DPS build. It does absolutely nothing to increase your DPS. If you need engine guardian to sustain DPS in PVE, you likely have a more fundamental problem that needs addressed.

ryanborror

They're both really close. I personally have seem more high dk parses than night blade but the highest from each are about equal. I personally think nb would be more fun because I can't stand spamming rapid strikes but also it doesn't seem like too many people have totally figured out Stam nb dps. Both classes have the dilemma of trying to split champion points for damage, nb between mighty and thaumaturge and dk between elemental expert and mighty.

Destruent

Stam dk

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I am no expert on Stam DK. My DK has always been magic. I am sure they are chugging potions, using templar shards, and perhaps a cost reduction enchant on one piece of jewelry. Also, DKs get resources by casting Ultimates (and potentially earthenheart abilities, not sure thats practical though). With enough CP, sustain is less of an issue.

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

Stam-DK shouldn't have any sustain issues. Full-Heavy-weaving + Ultimate and earthen heart (igneous weapons) should keep ressources up. For Stamblades it's definitely harder to manage ressources.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

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Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I am no expert on Stam DK. My DK has always been magic. I am sure they are chugging potions, using templar shards, and perhaps a cost reduction enchant on one piece of jewelry. Also, DKs get resources by casting Ultimates (and potentially earthenheart abilities, not sure thats practical though). With enough CP, sustain is less of an issue.

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

Am I mistaken, I thought elemental drain restores resources on stam DK dots?

Only Magicka, doesn't help them at all.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

DK for DPS? Links to builds please. Mine does absolutely nothing.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Current specs too please. Everything I Google is well out of date. My NB wrecks DKs.

We are talking about PvE...so here you go:

Magicka-DD
Stam-DK

There are some more builds, these are just two examples.

mistermutiny89

Destruent wrote: »

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Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

Stam-DK shouldn't have any sustain issues. Full-Heavy-weaving + Ultimate and earthen heart (igneous weapons) should keep ressources up. For Stamblades it's definitely harder to manage ressources.

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Stam blades have Siphoning attacks which give a 10 percent chance of giving massive amounts of Stam and magicka back per any attack including dots... Try putting down arrow barrage which ticks every 0.5 seconds, caltrops, rending blades and then your spammed ability whilst your light attacks proc a smaller amount of resources by default.

If anything you should never have to worry about a nightblade's resources ever in PVE and just concentrate on keeping every possible dot up with siphoning attacks on. If anything it's a little OP. But that's why I love nightblades. If my main nb wasn't a crafter and harvester I wouldn't even have any CP in recovery at all. Different story for pvp of course.

Destruent

Stam dk

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

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Destruent wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

A Stamblade will almost certainly have better sustain.

Stam-DK shouldn't have any sustain issues. Full-Heavy-weaving + Ultimate and earthen heart (igneous weapons) should keep ressources up. For Stamblades it's definitely harder to manage ressources.

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Stam blades have Siphoning attacks which give a 10 percent chance of giving massive amounts of Stam and magicka back per any attack including dots... Try putting down arrow barrage which ticks every 0.5 seconds, caltrops, rending blades and then your spammed ability whilst your light attacks proc a smaller amount of resources by default.

If anything you should never have to worry about a nightblade's resources ever in PVE and just concentrate on keeping every possible dot up with siphoning attacks on. If anything it's a little OP. But that's why I love nightblades. If my main nb wasn't a crafter and harvester I wouldn't even have any CP in recovery at all. Different story for pvp of course.

I know about siphoning, but it's a dps loss to recast or even slot it in PvE. Stam-DKs get Sustain by doing their normal rotation and don't have to cast a certain skill, that's a difference.

edit: Siphoning has 1 sec cooldown and where do you want to spend your CP if not in recovery? everything else (besides cost reduction, but there are enough CP for both) is useless in PvE.