what is better for NBs

izJordy

i'm imperial, stamina nightblade, would i go with the thief mundus stone? or the shadow? and why? aprecciate it!

RatedChaotic

IMO go Thief if your below 50% crit chance. Shadow if your higher than 50%.

I'm a bosmer stim nb. with 70+% crit chance 4000+ weapon damage when all buffed up. So I went shadow for more crit damage. I used thief at lower levels and switch to Shadow when I got the champion point crit chance bonus

izJordy

RatedChaotic wrote: »

IMO go Thief if your below 50% crit chance. Shadow if your higher than 50%.

I'm a bosmer stim nb. with 70+% crit chance 4200+ weapon damage when all buffed up. So I went shadow for more crit damage. I used thief at lower levels and switch to Shadow when I got the champion point crit chance bonus

i'm only lvl 45 atm, my race is imperial and when i reach vet i'm mainly gonna do pvp, so i don't know whats better more crit damage or crit chance, damage sounds better to me but i could be wrong ofcourse

RatedChaotic

try to keep your crit chance at 50% or above. also the try weapon damage/crit rating/stim potions. If I remember correctly I used thief up until I hit veteran ranks then switched as long as I held the 50%+ crit chance.

dday3six

Depends on what kind of build you're running, and how many champion points you have.

If you focusing crit with 7/7 medium, dual daggers, and a 5pc night mother's, than shadow would be better. It's how you make up, and ultimately overcome the lack of flat weapon damage.

If you're stacking weapon damage, and then move to crit for addition damage. Something like 5 piece hundring's, mace/dagger, 1pc kena, 3pc night mother's. Than as long as you have 360 cp and are using Trap Beast in your rotation Thief is better.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243441/end-game-stamina-nightblade-build-pve-dps#latest - Gilliam's guide here is a great example of the crit focused build

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/stamina-nightblade-dps-guide/ - Jeckll's is an great example of the Weapon Damage build

izJordy

RatedChaotic wrote: »

try to keep your crit chance at 50% or above. also the try weapon damage/crit rating/stim potions. If I remember correctly I used thief up until I hit veteran ranks then switched as long as I held the 50%+ crit chance.

the mundus stone is not permenant? u can change it whenever you want?

RatedChaotic

Guides are a good scource of info but dont try and copy a build more than likely it wont work for you. Just read it and try things yourself you'll be better off. With 7/7 med and if you utilize enough of your assasin tree theres no need for daggers go swords for damage increase.

RatedChaotic

izJordy wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

try to keep your crit chance at 50% or above. also the try weapon damage/crit rating/stim potions. If I remember correctly I used thief up until I hit veteran ranks then switched as long as I held the 50%+ crit chance.

the mundus stone is not permenant? u can change it whenever you want?

Yes you can change it. Dont ever copy an online build. Learning and trying skills and different combinations on your own will benefit you better in the long run. Its usually peoples biggest mistake. You might not enjoy playing thier way. Your enjoyment is more important.

dday3six

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Guides are a good scource of info but dont try and copy a build more than likely it wont work for you. Just read it and try things yourself you'll be better off. With 7/7 med and if you utilize enough of your assasin tree theres no need for daggers go swords for damage increase.

Issue I see with this route is functionality. Soul Harvest, Relentless Focus/Reaper's Mark, and Killer's Blade are the only 3 that you'd want on your bar all the time and you still need room room for Surprise Attack, Beast Trap, Steel Tornado/Rending Slashes, and Camo/Evil Hunter.

RatedChaotic

dday3six wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Guides are a good scource of info but dont try and copy a build more than likely it wont work for you. Just read it and try things yourself you'll be better off. With 7/7 med and if you utilize enough of your assasin tree theres no need for daggers go swords for damage increase.

Issue I see with this route is functionality. Soul Harvest, Relentless Focus/Reaper's Mark, and Killer's Blade are the only 3 that you'd want on your bar all the time and you still need room room for Surprise Attack, Beast Trap, Steel Tornado/Rending Slashes, and Camo/Evil Hunter.

While it might work for you. It might not work for others. Not everyone plays the same. My NB fuctions well enough and I didnt use online builds to get thru VMA.

dday3six

RatedChaotic wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Guides are a good scource of info but dont try and copy a build more than likely it wont work for you. Just read it and try things yourself you'll be better off. With 7/7 med and if you utilize enough of your assasin tree theres no need for daggers go swords for damage increase.

Issue I see with this route is functionality. Soul Harvest, Relentless Focus/Reaper's Mark, and Killer's Blade are the only 3 that you'd want on your bar all the time and you still need room room for Surprise Attack, Beast Trap, Steel Tornado/Rending Slashes, and Camo/Evil Hunter.

While it might work for you. It might not work for others. Not everyone plays the same.

That's all well and good, but in the end it's a definement of "better". If you consider better to be doing the most for your group, and fulfilling what's expected of you as a DPS; to kill quickly and effectively. Then there is a point were to be better you need to use the most effective and versed assortment of skills on your bar.

RatedChaotic

And what skills do I use on my bar? What gear am I running? Exactly you dont know what I use. Smart guy. So your saying new players should use only online builds and not try things themselves? LOL Just because someone uses different skills and builds does not mean they are not a good player. They actually may be "better" thier way than your way. *No longer throws food to the troll.

dday3six

RatedChaotic wrote: »

And what skills do I use on my bar? Exactly you dont know what I use.

Yeah I get it, you're a special little snowflake.

The skills I listed are the general overview of most widely applicable skills for a Stamina NB's front bar, slanted to use more Assassination skills. Skills like Ambush or Double Take/Mirage are much more situational, and using them outside of those situations is often a waste.

lolo_01b16_ESO

You do realize that he said he plans to do mainly pvp?

Thief is very weak in pvp since you can't do critical damage against anyone whith a damage shield and most good players will reduce your crit damage bonus to 10-20%. Shadow is a bit better than thief as it cancels the crit damage reduction to some extend, but still useless against shielded targets.
I would recommend warrior (weapon damage) or serpent (stamina recovery).

dday3six

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

You do realize that he said he plans to do mainly pvp?

Thief is very weak in pvp since you can't do critical damage against anyone whith a damage shield and most good players will reduce your crit damage bonus to 10-20%. Shadow is a bit better than thief as it cancels the crit damage reduction to some extend, but still useless against shielded targets.
I would recommend warrior (weapon damage) or serpent (stamina recovery).

I was typing out my replies when OP mentioned that. In light of it. Agreed the Serpent or Warrior would be better.

Also builds in PVP are different than PVE. OP start with a foundation of Surprise Attack, Ambush, Dark Cloak, Mass Hysteria, Double Take, and Killer's Blade if not using 2H, than use Executioner. Also heals are a bit short in PVP until you get Vigor at Assault Rank 5. I strongly suggest 2H for Rally which both heals and provides Major Brutality (20% increased damage).

Johngo0036

@izJordy - for pvp get your crit to around 50%,
Most pvp players wear impenetrable armour which mitigates alot of crit damage..

RatedChaotic

dday3six wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

And what skills do I use on my bar? Exactly you dont know what I use.

Yeah I get it, you're a special little snowflake.

The skills I listed are the general overview of most widely applicable skills for a Stamina NB's front bar, slanted to use more Assassination skills. Skills like Ambush or Double Take/Mirage are much more situational, and using them outside of those situations is often a waste.

Ya because there is only one way to play a NB. Only one build to follow and only certain skills should be on your bar.. Very noobish if ya ask me. Your one of those guys that are easy to counte I bet. You shouldnt be hitting someone with shields active. If your good you will kill them before they get shields up.

aLi3nZ

Can someone tell me the skills I should slot at lvl 10 stam nightblade (375) champ points because alt. Only 1 bar. I have been using two handed sword. But destroyed it when I realized it was a lvl 1 sword(haha)

Got cloak crit charge, swallow soul + ambush. I forget what the other skills and ultimate is called. Is wrecking blow a morph of uppercut? I am going to need aoe to level up so need an aoe. Do knightblades often go duel weild and Two handed sword for 1st and second bar.

magnusthorek

At VR16 using Divines only on small pieces as full set of Hunding's Rage + 4x Night Mother's Gaze give you 70% or more of critical so I would go with The Warrior for more physical damage.

dday3six

RatedChaotic wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

And what skills do I use on my bar? Exactly you dont know what I use.

Yeah I get it, you're a special little snowflake.

The skills I listed are the general overview of most widely applicable skills for a Stamina NB's front bar, slanted to use more Assassination skills. Skills like Ambush or Double Take/Mirage are much more situational, and using them outside of those situations is often a waste.

Ya because there is only one way to play a NB. Only one build to follow and only certain skills should be on your bar.. Very noobish if ya ask me. Your one of those guys that are easy to counte I bet. You shouldnt be hitting someone with shields active. If your good you will kill them before they get shields up.

What are you even on about at this point? You're going to give yourself a condition if you don't learn to mellow down, LoL.

Volkodav

RatedChaotic wrote: »

And what skills do I use on my bar? What gear am I running? Exactly you dont know what I use. Smart guy. So your saying new players should use only online builds and not try things themselves? LOL Just because someone uses different skills and builds does not mean they are not a good player. They actually may be "better" thier way than your way. *No longer throws food to the troll.

This is what the OP should be listening to and the other offerings.NOT the ones that tell you that there's only one way to play.There isnt.You'll get good in PvP if you want to by advancing the skills you finally do choose.Yes,PvP and PvE are two different play styles.However,within those two areas there are tons of ways to work.
The OP should just take the good instructive info here and decide which they want to use.If this means trying them out before deciding on their build,..great.Get a scroll from the crown store to change them once the decision is made.Shows a good mind to think for themselves.

reften

warrior mundus. Best all around.

Ganking NBs use shadow though for the guarantee crit from stealth...your crit chance becomes irrelevant.

izJordy

chill guys lol, anyways from what i've got from this post is.. no thief, no shadow stone and i should go warrior? especially when i'm vet and pvp? is that correct?

Zerok

What level are you?

Warrior is a pretty good mundus stone when you start the game as a Stamina DPS, but it becomes less interesting as you level up.

For higher levels, you really want to take either thief or shadow. To maximize your damage, you choose the mundus stone that will increase your lowest stat.

For example, if you have 35% critical rating and the standard 50% bonus damage to critical hits, then you should go with thief.

If you have 60% critical rating and the standard 50% bonus to critical hits, then shadow is the way to go.