Dwemer Lore

a1i3nz

I've recently gotten obsessed with lore and have watched many videos and read many UESP pages and am left with more questions than ever concerning the Dwemer, and particularly their disappearance.
We know that while mining the Red Mountain they came across the Heart of Lorkan and were able to harness it's power and create sentient machines, even one so powerful they believed it had brought them to a phase of transcendence and named it Numidium. But after the Falmer rebellion (or attempt to break free) and the Chimer pushing them, they just vanished.
It's also been said that the Chimer Tribunal came upon the Heart of Lorkan and used it to destroy the Dwemer. But that conflicts in many ways. We know the Dwemer created the Brass Tower Numidium, he also disappeared. After the battle which lead to their disappearance, it is said Azura punished the Chimer, giving them red eyes and grey skin. That is how they became known as Dark Elves.

Lore says Numidium was made to be able to move between realms, could he have taken his creators, his people, to another realm where they still exist?
Anyone have any ideas they'd like to share?

Forestd16b14_ESO

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uK-WXrOhoHU&list=PL7pGJQV-jlzCPBUy9uAXQUXZ4UBaDLKS5&index=11

Here ya go. But short version the Chinmer were about to make the final push into there strong hold and one of there leading Dwemer scientist struck the heart and it was at that moment all the Dwemer just vanished.

mr1sho

Twerkish wrote: »

I've recently gotten obsessed with lore and have watched many videos and read many UESP pages and am left with more questions than ever concerning the Dwemer, and particularly their disappearance.
We know that while mining the Red Mountain they came across the Heart of Lorkan and were able to harness it's power and create sentient machines, even one so powerful they believed it had brought them to a phase of transcendence and named it Numidium. But after the Falmer rebellion (or attempt to break free) and the Chimer pushing them, they just vanished.
It's also been said that the Chimer Tribunal came upon the Heart of Lorkan and used it to destroy the Dwemer. But that conflicts in many ways. We know the Dwemer created the Brass Tower Numidium, he also disappeared. After the battle which lead to their disappearance, it is said Azura punished the Chimer, giving them red eyes and grey skin. That is how they became known as Dark Elves.

Lore says Numidium was made to be able to move between realms, could he have taken his creators, his people, to another realm where they still exist?
Anyone have any ideas they'd like to share?

I thought Auzra punishment was because the tribunal use the heart lorkan after she told them not to which changed them to living gods

Zorrashi

There are several theories as where they went. Some think they went to another dimension, some say they were literally obliterated, others still say that Azura 'harnessed' them to fuel something in her realm of oblivion (or her artifact, azura's star).
But for now we have no concrete idea.

Pheefs

I've often wondered if it isn't a WHERE they went to, but a WHEN they went to...

especially with that one weird dwemer ruin in ESO that seems to be in all those places at once, like a global emergency shelter.
& someday as mysteriously as they disappeared they could reappear.

mr1sho

Pheefs wrote: »

I've often wondered if it isn't a WHERE they went to, but a WHEN they went to...

especially with that one weird dwemer ruin in ESO that seems to be in all those places at once, like a global emergency shelter.
& someday as mysteriously as they disappeared they could reappear.

Are you saying that they are time lords

Shunravi

mr1sho wrote: »

Pheefs wrote: »

I've often wondered if it isn't a WHERE they went to, but a WHEN they went to...

especially with that one weird dwemer ruin in ESO that seems to be in all those places at once, like a global emergency shelter.
& someday as mysteriously as they disappeared they could reappear.

Are you saying that they are time lords

Gilvoth

the Dwemer in the picture above, his name is "Yagrum Bagarn"
we could go insane if we keep at this and try and try again to fully understand what really took place, and where the Dwemer truely are.
as of the time of morrowind, we have the only survivor alive to tell us of what he knows. [you can see him depicted in the screen capture above]
all he had to say about the disapierance of his peoples was this quote below ...

Quote:

""Since the disappearance of the Dwarves, I have been alone in this world, trapped in this grim prison. I can scarcely move. And my fellow inmates are scarcely good company. The risk of corprus disease deters most visitors. But if you meet with cultivated minds undaunted by the terrors of the Corprusarium, you might mention your recent interview with the Last Living Dwarf.

Disappearance of the Dwarves: "Hmm.... I cannot say what happened. I was not there to observe. I was in an Outer Realm at the time, and when I came back, my people were gone. I left Red Mountain, wandering Tamriel for years, searching our deserted colonies, looking for a survivor or an explanation. Then, a long, long time ago, I returned to Red Mountain, still looking for answers. Instead, I found corprus disease, and I have been here ever since. I have theories, if you are interested."

End Quote:

he mentions that he was "in an Outer Realm at the time" could this mean they were pulled into a outer realm like where azura stays?
the Fact that he had Corprus disease doesnt help much iether, knowing that disease does effect ones mind.

the questions grow the more we learn. Thus insanity will insue if we let ourselves go that far ...

Gilvoth

my apologies, i forgot to mention the quote he made giving his theories of what happened to the Dwemer, here is that quote...

Quote:

theories: "Lord Kagrenac, the foremost arcane philosopher and magecrafter of my era, devised tools to shape mythopoeic forces, intending to transcend the limits of Dwemer mortality. However, in reviewing his formulae, some logicians argued that side effects were unpredictable, and errors might be catastrophic. I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences -- such as wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm. Or he may have erred, and utterly destroyed our race."

End Quote:

Korah_Eaglecry

I dont think we will ever know what happened to the Dwemer. There are things that occurred in the history of our world that we just really will never have an answer to. And thats what the Dwemer represent, that mystery that will never be solved.

a1i3nz

mr1sho wrote: »

Twerkish wrote: »

I've recently gotten obsessed with lore and have watched many videos and read many UESP pages and am left with more questions than ever concerning the Dwemer, and particularly their disappearance.
We know that while mining the Red Mountain they came across the Heart of Lorkan and were able to harness it's power and create sentient machines, even one so powerful they believed it had brought them to a phase of transcendence and named it Numidium. But after the Falmer rebellion (or attempt to break free) and the Chimer pushing them, they just vanished.
It's also been said that the Chimer Tribunal came upon the Heart of Lorkan and used it to destroy the Dwemer. But that conflicts in many ways. We know the Dwemer created the Brass Tower Numidium, he also disappeared. After the battle which lead to their disappearance, it is said Azura punished the Chimer, giving them red eyes and grey skin. That is how they became known as Dark Elves.

Lore says Numidium was made to be able to move between realms, could he have taken his creators, his people, to another realm where they still exist?
Anyone have any ideas they'd like to share?

I thought Auzra punishment was because the tribunal use the heart lorkan after she told them not to which changed them to living gods

You sir are correct.

I also like the idea that Azura may have taken them to her realm to fuel her star. It definitely seems they were either destroyed or transported to another realm when Lorkans Heart was struck. I like to think that their created god Numidium had a part in it too, but as we've come to accept it seems like they fully intend on leaving this a mystery. Hopefully they plan on explaining this one day, or perhaps the Dwemer will return!

a1i3nz

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

my apologies, i forgot to mention the quote he made giving his theories of what happened to the Dwemer, here is that quote...

Quote:

theories: "Lord Kagrenac, the foremost arcane philosopher and magecrafter of my era, devised tools to shape mythopoeic forces, intending to transcend the limits of Dwemer mortality. However, in reviewing his formulae, some logicians argued that side effects were unpredictable, and errors might be catastrophic. I think Kagrenac might have succeeded in granting our race eternal life, with unforeseen consequences -- such as wholesale displacement to an Outer Realm. Or he may have erred, and utterly destroyed our race."

End Quote:

Thanks a ton for that! And your other post.

Mojmir

This rings to be inspired by atlantis to me.

Thevampirenight

Basically what I think happened, was well from what we know the dwemer they where trying to make a god of there own out of a undead, god well it misfired bigtime, they where successful in bringing the one machine useable, but at a cost when the dwemer enchanter plunged the knife into the heart, it basically, cut their ties to Mundus. Making them achieve what the highelves want and to free themselves from the prison of Mundus and become immortal. They were most likly banished to atherious and the bodies where destroyed, you get a hint at this from the quest in skyrim that gives you the abilty to summon the ghost that expermented on himself. Also The vampire cure guy says he has also talked with them, can question his sanity if you want but, its very possible.
The mystery of what happened is what I want to find out sooner or later. I hope they do include it in the next elder scrolls game. Or even Eso

It might even be possible that Azura banished them, to her realm. But I do think the Dwemer can return, first off they got to recreate dwemer blood, put it on one of the tools and then stab the heart, or something just as powerfull, to rebind them to nirn a rite of some type of rebinding, to undo the unbinding effect that happened when the dwemer used the heart.Then the dwemer would exist once more. Maybe become a serious threat do to their time in aetherious or azuras realm.

deleted008293

Maybe upcoming Clockwork City might bring some new theories to where Dwemers are. Or maybe some futher DLCs might recreate some historic moments from their battles before their disappearance.

Questions will always remain:
- Are they really all gone?
- Did they moved to a new plane of existence? Was their choice? Was they took prisoners?
- Maybe they just teleported somewhere else on Nirn? They might went deep inside earth or just thriving on another continent? Perhaps even on another world.
Did I miss other ideas?
Or maybe we will never ever know. Mysteries are good sometimes.

My theory is that they were such obsessed with science that they actually managed to leave Nirn and go into another plane of existence or another physical place and they did it in such way that fooled everyone on Tamriel to think they were all just gone, so they won't get unwanted visitors. Maybe they knew that those tools that banished them from Nirn might be the same tools that will bring them back and they really don't want that. Especially if those tools will be used as an exchange, thus making them no longer being able to return to their plane of existence.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

If you play Tribunal there's a ruin with little piles of ash and armor where the Dwemer inside used to be. That said, that doesn't mean they were destroyed by the event with the Heart of Lorkhan--it could have been an unrelated incident before that point, since the Dwemer ghost you talk to doesn't even have 'disappearance of the Dwarves' as a topic.

Dcaliber

I really liked the mystery of the Dwemer in Morrowind and especially Skyrim. The fate of the snow elves and the dwemer finally gave us a lore question where we don't know the answer. The ambiguity of it all captivates me. Tbh, I'd rather not know what happened to the dwemer, at least not for now.

Reedx

There are three differnt story to where they went:

1. To one of the Gods realms
2. To our World
3. They all died


But here is the a sick theroy that some ppl claim to have some truth to it but arent relevent to the Dwemer..

That somehow Fallout and Elder scroll is connected, that Fallout (a perralworld to ours) is the world of Nirn only millions or
thousand years before Skyrim that somehow the radiation became to magi that we use in skyrim,

and as the ppl who survived the atom blow and the world it bacame after all died in time and as time went past, new life form startet to take form and became the world we know as Tamirel.. haha but this is very most likley not true but fun to think about ^^

But here is my theory about the dwemer...

That Nirn is a actual world that exit far aweay from our world. and when the dwemer left theirs they came to our many years ago, maybe around 1600 A.C and learned us human the technology we know today... and stayed hidden from the commen ppl, and as time went they wanted to somehow honor their old world and then the PC came, and they finally had a way to make a world that reminded of where they came from, and then they made ELDER SCROLL...... xD hahaha

And maybe they are still looking for a way to return to their old world..

but just think about.. all the lore that exist in the elder scroll series, isint a little hard to make up all that ? i mean the are soooo mutch lore it almost hard to belive !

So yeah that is what i like to think what happan xD haahah not true so dont work out you brain with this, its just something i like to image ^^

JD2013

The most popularly touted theory is that they became the skin of the Brass God.

Who knows?

Maybe Bethesda . . . But maybe not.

xellink

Skyper wrote: »

There are three differnt story to where they went:

1. To one of the Gods realms
2. To our World
3. They all died


But here is the a sick theroy that some ppl claim to have some truth to it but arent relevent to the Dwemer..

That somehow Fallout and Elder scroll is connected, that Fallout (a perralworld to ours) is the world of Nirn only millions or
thousand years before Skyrim that somehow the radiation became to magi that we use in skyrim,

and as the ppl who survived the atom blow and the world it bacame after all died in time and as time went past, new life form startet to take form and became the world we know as Tamirel.. haha but this is very most likley not true but fun to think about ^^

But here is my theory about the dwemer...

That Nirn is a actual world that exit far aweay from our world. and when the dwemer left theirs they came to our many years ago, maybe around 1600 A.C and learned us human the technology we know today... and stayed hidden from the commen ppl, and as time went they wanted to somehow honor their old world and then the PC came, and they finally had a way to make a world that reminded of where they came from, and then they made ELDER SCROLL...... xD hahaha

And maybe they are still looking for a way to return to their old world..

but just think about.. all the lore that exist in the elder scroll series, isint a little hard to make up all that ? i mean the are soooo mutch lore it almost hard to belive !

So yeah that is what i like to think what happan xD haahah not true so dont work out you brain with this, its just something i like to image ^^

whats that you're taking? can I have some?

Reedx

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Fishsticks, it will blow you brain awey! xD hahah lol

Shunravi

xellink wrote: »

Skyper wrote: »

There are three differnt story to where they went:

1. To one of the Gods realms
2. To our World
3. They all died


But here is the a sick theroy that some ppl claim to have some truth to it but arent relevent to the Dwemer..

That somehow Fallout and Elder scroll is connected, that Fallout (a perralworld to ours) is the world of Nirn only millions or
thousand years before Skyrim that somehow the radiation became to magi that we use in skyrim,

and as the ppl who survived the atom blow and the world it bacame after all died in time and as time went past, new life form startet to take form and became the world we know as Tamirel.. haha but this is very most likley not true but fun to think about ^^

But here is my theory about the dwemer...

That Nirn is a actual world that exit far aweay from our world. and when the dwemer left theirs they came to our many years ago, maybe around 1600 A.C and learned us human the technology we know today... and stayed hidden from the commen ppl, and as time went they wanted to somehow honor their old world and then the PC came, and they finally had a way to make a world that reminded of where they came from, and then they made ELDER SCROLL...... xD hahaha

And maybe they are still looking for a way to return to their old world..

but just think about.. all the lore that exist in the elder scroll series, isint a little hard to make up all that ? i mean the are soooo mutch lore it almost hard to belive !

So yeah that is what i like to think what happan xD haahah not true so dont work out you brain with this, its just something i like to image ^^

whats that you're taking? can I have some?

PosternHouse

The Dwemer hated the world because they thought it was all a lie, a dream in which everything wasn't even real. They were a race of atheists in a world where gods actively did divine things. They wanted to escape the Dream ... a common theme among the Mer. In a moment of desperation, they used Kagrenac's tools on the heart of Lorkhan and in the cruelest irony became the skin of Walk Brass/the Brass Tower. They became the skin of the suicidal Godhead, attached to a world they hated and could not escape.

After Landfall, Walk Brass proceeded to NO stomp Nirn and all races of man out of existence. Numidium almost succeeded in negating the Dream altogether until Jubal al-Sul successfully beheaded it with its own words. Basically the Dwemer finally got what they wanted: death.

In short, the Dwarves become the Prisoner, the skin of Numidium. Then they died, which is probably a great thing.

Joshuagm1991

I would consult the daedra of forbidden knowledge. Perhaps there is something... Somewhere with a clue.

MrDerrikk

@Skyper

By any chance have you read Terry Brooks's Shanarra Series of books? That's pretty similar to how it runs (our earth gets destroyed by nuclear war and magic, then after the fallout is over a new world of magic and the like appears).

lunarsyed

i think dwemer maybe either in aetherious or the moon. coz they used lorkhan's heart and lorkhan is the moon. plus in 4th era something happened to the moon and it dissapeared for days and then it came back. so maybe the dwemer may have done something. also in skyrim someone else also used the same technique where we help the mage at the mage academy and he dissapears too by replicating the items such as lorkhan's heart and keening.

AmakarGranaen

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

the Dwemer in the picture above, his name is "Yagrum Bagarn"
we could go insane if we keep at this and try and try again to fully understand what really took place, and where the Dwemer truely are.
as of the time of morrowind, we have the only survivor alive to tell us of what he knows. [you can see him depicted in the screen capture above]
all he had to say about the disapierance of his peoples was this quote below ...

Quote:

""Since the disappearance of the Dwarves, I have been alone in this world, trapped in this grim prison. I can scarcely move. And my fellow inmates are scarcely good company. The risk of corprus disease deters most visitors. But if you meet with cultivated minds undaunted by the terrors of the Corprusarium, you might mention your recent interview with the Last Living Dwarf.

Disappearance of the Dwarves: "Hmm.... I cannot say what happened. I was not there to observe. I was in an Outer Realm at the time, and when I came back, my people were gone. I left Red Mountain, wandering Tamriel for years, searching our deserted colonies, looking for a survivor or an explanation. Then, a long, long time ago, I returned to Red Mountain, still looking for answers. Instead, I found corprus disease, and I have been here ever since. I have theories, if you are interested."

End Quote:

he mentions that he was "in an Outer Realm at the time" could this mean they were pulled into a outer realm like where azura stays?
the Fact that he had Corprus disease doesnt help much iether, knowing that disease does effect ones mind.

the questions grow the more we learn. Thus insanity will insue if we let ourselves go that far ...

Pendrillion

JD2013 wrote: »

The most popularly touted theory is that they became the skin of the Brass God.

Who knows?

Maybe Bethesda . . . But maybe not.

Oops... I accidentally destroyed the dwemer then... But it was a good cause.

mb10

I personally think all will be revealed in the next Elder Scrolls game whenever that may come out.

We know there is a clockwork city DLC coming to ESO so that might give away a little more but one thing is for sure, the TES lore masters know what happened to the Dwemer. Im pretty sure they didnt make up this storyline without knowing themselves what happened so an answer is out there and should get revealed to us eventually.

Thevampirenight

Basically if you read coda, which was written by Michial Kirkblade after he was let go from bethesda, Basically Nirn gets destroyed in the fifth era, all the races except the Khajiit and Dunmer are gone , Living on one of nirns moons.

Well whatever lol because its not even cannon some think it does not make any sense, I don't think Bethesda would take anything from it but they do listen to Michial Kirkblade sometimes. He has helped with the lore in the games, and he is respected for it.

But yeah The khajiit escaped to the moons and the dunmer are tel-ported there by Vivec.
Basically many things happened like the highelves where destoryed in the first era and other stuff like that and the reman empire had space ships, and all that.
I would not go by codas version of events.

Because we don't want to see nirn destroyed =( No to Highelves being gone forever.
Yeah if the coda was cannon the highelves would not have existed past the first era, and Everything would be written out of existence but the dunmer and the khajiit in the fifth era. Those would be the only two surviving races, Basically no more imperials, nords, argonions, bosmer, highelves, bretons, redguards, or orcs. =(

Basically where the dwemer come into this is in Michials Coda, The dwemer became the walking brass god all of them, still alive at that time they disapeared.
Every living dwemers souls merged into one oversoul, all those the people merged into one being, basically all hating what happened to them and they are vengeful. Basically the dwemer were damned in the coda.


Basically think of the borg from star trek they have no control of there own bodies, and they are just trapped, and this is possibly worse they are trapped linked mind by mind, by the millions basically another form of suffering. Which is why the machine has the power to destory existance. This gives the machine that power.

runagate

Thanks @dwemer_paleologist - I'd read your posts earlier and enjoyed re-reading them.

It's not often one encounters the word mythopoeia and insipid nonsense in the same thread.

Maybe you'd like to do a thread on ESO cosmogony?