Chest Looters

NCountereb17_ESO

OK so i'm relatively new and not so - played since beta. My question regards people who loot chests while you're fighting off mobs that protect them. can something be done about it? Same goes for people who intentionaly loot a chest that you're trying to open while there is this timer running ....cooldown or something. It's not nice and basicly unfair. I spot a chest , i start looting...my lockpick breaks and while i wait for it to cooldown, another quietly takes my chest from under my nose. Can't someting be done about it. I don't wan't to fight people in chats over it.

Zerok

It happened to me last week.

While I was killing trash mobs, a player sneaked past me and went straight to a chest.

He failed to see there was a columbine also near where I was fighting.

I don't know what he got from the chest, but I'm pretty sure my columbine was better.

bountyspiter

NCountereb17_ESO wrote: »

OK so i'm relatively new and not so - played since beta. My question regards people who loot chests while you're fighting off mobs that protect them. can something be done about it? Same goes for people who intentionaly loot a chest that you're trying to open while there is this timer running ....cooldown or something. It's not nice and basicly unfair. I spot a chest , i start looting...my lockpick breaks and while i wait for it to cooldown, another quietly takes my chest from under my nose. Can't someting be done about it. I don't wan't to fight people in chats over it.

You need to learn to open chests faster and more efficiently i guess... The game provides you with the neseccery time to open and loot, with some skill ofc. It cant w8 for you forever to loot a chest. Also it's an open world...you cant really expect people to see a chest that you fail to loot and just w8 there for you to loot it...

Get better, get faster --> earn your chest rewards. That said, there are millions of chests around... you shouldnt even bother with a few people getting 1 from you...

Sharee

NCountereb17_ESO wrote: »

OK so i'm relatively new and not so - played since beta. My question regards people who loot chests while you're fighting off mobs that protect them. can something be done about it? Same goes for people who intentionaly loot a chest that you're trying to open while there is this timer running ....cooldown or something. It's not nice and basicly unfair. I spot a chest , i start looting...my lockpick breaks and while i wait for it to cooldown, another quietly takes my chest from under my nose. Can't someting be done about it. I don't wan't to fight people in chats over it.

Opening a chest while someone else is fighting the mobs that were guarding it is very rude, i agree with that.

However on the second point - the cooldown after an unsuccessfult attempt to pick it is there precisely so another player can have a go after you blew your chance.

Kas

I agree, this is theoretically a really annoying issue. that said, there is currently no chest in the game that can have significant rewards inside (instanced trophy chests and instanced dolmen chests for lich set aside). The last time this was the case was with v14 martial knowledge in cyro caves.

So while I'd really prefer instanced chests eveywhere to avoid this kind of frustration, your easiest fix for now might be knowing that the insides of a chest are as good as the drops (and tel var stones) of 2-3 groups of mobs. Thus, not really an issue

nine9six

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jzholloway

On a positive note... I'd like to say how refreshing it was to group up with some randoms who actually suggested we split chests evenly among us... and they actually did it... like, "hey nutz, its your turn and there is a chest over here."

Yes, it sucks that people will sneak around you when you are fighting enemies and "steal" the chest you were going for - it happens to all of us. Its part of the game - part of a lot of mmo's. Its part of the reason some classes have invisibility perks, and there is always invisibility potions.

on the second point, I agree with the majority here... if your lock pick breaks and someone is hovering over you and beats you to the chest on the cool down... again, has happened to all of us, but ultimately that is on you. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Chelos

As long as there'll be mobs where there's a chest this will happen.
Learn to live with it, it will not go away.
Sad but realistic view on the situation.

Erdmanski

There is no point getting too upset about it, there really isn't anything in chests that is worth that much.

If you are fighting mobs, stand right on the chest and fight them there. It will make it more difficult for people to sneak up and steal it. Also, don't force the lock, just pick it normally. If you can't pick the lock in the allotted time, you probably need to practice a little more.

Divinius

Sharee wrote: »

However on the second point - the cooldown after an unsuccessfult attempt to pick it is there precisely so another player can have a go after you blew your chance.

Exactly. I don't mind this mechanic. Especially since I haven't broken a pick in ages. Once you get the hang of it, that will rarely ever happen, and you won't have to worry about this.

But yes, many people are rude, and will happily grab a chest out from under you while you are fighting the nearby aggro. It happens. You'll also notice that as you get higher in levels (especially when you get to your Silver and Gold zones), this behavior tends to diminish. Partly because there are fewer players around you, and partly because the players that get that far are generally not as likely to be jerks.

Funny story, I had a guy do this to me just the other day while I was on a lower level alt. I saw a chest, and was fighting the nearby mob so I could get to it, when some other wanker runs up and starts to pick it. I killed the mob I was fighting while he was attempting to pick the chest. Thankfully, he failed to pick it the first time, and I was able to grab it while he was on cool-down. So the cool-down actually helped me in that case.

EDIT:
Seriously?? THAT was a censored word? You've got to be kidding me. LOL.

Septimus_Magna

Lock picking? Aint nobody got time for that!

Just force those locks

sirrmattus

NCountereb17_ESO wrote: »

OK so i'm relatively new and not so - played since beta. My question regards people who loot chests while you're fighting off mobs that protect them. can something be done about it? Same goes for people who intentionaly loot a chest that you're trying to open while there is this timer running ....cooldown or something. It's not nice and basicly unfair. I spot a chest , i start looting...my lockpick breaks and while i wait for it to cooldown, another quietly takes my chest from under my nose. Can't someting be done about it. I don't wan't to fight people in chats over it.

Why not sneak around like a real looter and make sure someone isnt backdooring your chest?

LostRedden

It used to be worse in Craglorn over the crafting nodes. It was crazy killing all the npcs around one node in northern Craglorn and then YOINK node gone.

UrQuan

Yes, there are 2 elements to this.

The first is when someone grabs a chest while you're fighting the mobs that are protecting it. People who grab chests like that are being assholes, but they're not doing anything that's against the rules. There's no action ZOS could or should take against them, as you can't claim a chest as your own. Instead, just move on, secure in the knowledge that you're better than the chest ninja. Or, if the mobs you're fighting have some sort of AOE attack, try to pull the mobs so that they'll drop an AOE on the other guy while he's trying to grab the chest. This will kick him out of the chest picking screen and into combat, giving you a chance to grab the chest if you're quicker that him at hitting the button once you're out of combat.

The second is when you were trying to open a chest, you failed, and someone comes in to try while you're on the cool-down and can't interact with the chest. This is not only not against the rules, but it's an intended mechanic to prevent people from hogging a chest even if they're repeatedly failing to pick the lock. If the other guy is feeling generous, he'll just move on and let you try as many times as you want, but if not and he grabs the chest, you'd actually be in the wrong to get mad at him for it (although naturally being mad isn't against the rules either, unless you start harassing someone because of it).

So in the first case, nobody has broken the rules but the other guy is being a dick for grabbing the chest while you're fighting those mobs. In the second case, nobody has broken the rules but you're being a dick if you get mad at the other guy for grabbing the chest while you're on lock-picking cooldown.

Personally, if I see someone near a chest, I just keep on moving unless it looks like they're about to be killed (in which case I'll try to help them out, and then keep on moving), but not everyone is going to do that, and it's not worth getting worked up about.

TotterTates

I will intentionally stop killing the mobs and stand them on top of the chest to interrupt the lowlife ninja-looting crotch-stain.

Xellos77

NCountereb17_ESO wrote: »

OK so i'm relatively new and not so - played since beta. My question regards people who loot chests while you're fighting off mobs that protect them. can something be done about it? Same goes for people who intentionaly loot a chest that you're trying to open while there is this timer running ....cooldown or something. It's not nice and basicly unfair. I spot a chest , i start looting...my lockpick breaks and while i wait for it to cooldown, another quietly takes my chest from under my nose. Can't someting be done about it. I don't wan't to fight people in chats over it.

Chest-ganking never really bothered me. I've played in so many MMOs that resource/chest stealing is just a common occurrence (along with mob-tagging) and not worth the effort to feel anything about it. It's a dog-eat-dog world in MMOs and all about personal advancement.

Personally, MMOs have all more-or-less become about hand-holding and an "amusement park" experience, opposed to true "sand box" enjoyment. As dated as it is, Ultima Online was a brilliant demonstration of people really having to fight for what they wanted to keep. Dry looting? Check. Actual thievery? Check. You had to watch your back at every turn, never mind always remember to bank your most precious treasures, lest you be killed and looted faster than you could type "Guards!".

Perhaps it's those kinds of experiences that to me, now, make me laugh when someone wants to snag a chest from in front of me while I fight mobs. At the end of the day, it's not a loss at all. I still have my finely tuned crafted armor/weapons, that no one can ever loot or scam me for.

Grendel_at_ESO

There's very little game etiquette in this game by it playerbase. I never take a node or chest when I see someone fighting mobs near it and I AM an asshole IRL. I also don't add to every freaking fight I see(I've had people try to add while I farmed bait!) other than bosses sometimes or I see they person may be in trouble. Maybe it's because I played DAOC so long, in ten plus years I could probably count on my fingers how many times I had a problem with other player leeching XP(other than professional gold farmers). I'm not sure if it does leech XP from me or not but after playing a game for so long where it was a banable offense it just irks me.

jzholloway

Grendel_at_ESO wrote: »

There's very little game etiquette in this game by it playerbase. I never take a node or chest when I see someone fighting mobs near it and I AM an asshole IRL. I also don't add to every freaking fight I see(I've had people try to add while I farmed bait!) other than bosses sometimes or I see they person may be in trouble. Maybe it's because I played DAOC so long, in ten plus years I could probably count on my fingers how many times I had a problem with other player leeching XP(other than professional gold farmers). I'm not sure if it does leech XP from me or not but after playing a game for so long where it was a banable offense it just irks me.

To be honest, I have seen it both way - I have been in zones and no one was a pain, and then been in zones everyone was. Again, its like every other mmo, you meet people who are great, others who suck and that is that.

Recently I have been leveling a stamplar, and for the most part, every person who I have run into has been alright and not giving me any issues - even people I have grouped with in both PvE and PvP - very unlike my experience on my main. My guild mates who have been leveling alts with me have had the same experience. Yes, its weird, but definitely not unheard of.

Beyond stealing chests in the open world, there isn't much else someone can do to "screw" someone over, except maybe run past when you are getting crushed by a boss or something - then again, its a learning experience for you that you either need to level up or simply wait for others who have the same objective as you (world bosses and dolmens) to show up.

I've played a lot of mmo's and online games, and this community, both on PC (where I began) and PS4 (where I am now) has been positive in my experience more times then negative, and that is not the case with every, or most, online games.

jzholloway

One more note about chests in the open and etiquette... don't forgot, we (the community) asked, and got, a skill line solely based on stealing stuff and trespassing. That includes unlocking chests - os in many ways unlocking chests - if that is the route you want to go - is a must to upgrade that skill tree, and sometimes they are few and far between. Also, we are getting a thieves guild... so... we should not be surprised when we get taken advantage of by others looking for chests to unlock and barrels to loot.

xerasia

LostRedden wrote: »

It used to be worse in Craglorn over the crafting nodes. It was crazy killing all the npcs around one node in northern Craglorn and then YOINK node gone.

This right here is the pain I feel. In Craglorn and in Wrothgar...

JamieAubrey

If I see a chest and there is another player, I'll bypass it and let them take it since I don't really need it and would most likely sell what ever was in it

Lightninvash

personally if I see a chest ill help someone clear stuff for them to get the chest most of them aren't worth much unless you are in IC anyways haha

Acrolas

Somebody eats your food from the fridge = That person is a ***.

'Free food while it lasts' and the food is gone when you get there = Everybody is a ***.


Yes on the first, NOPE on the second.

Even if you had a really good excuse, it doesn't matter. Like a prof used to tell me, doesn't matter if you got stuck in traffic or got your arm cut off. You didn't get there on time.

Nothing is yours until it's in your inventory. If you're not going to fight for it or take opportunities as they come, somebody else will. The mob excuse is kind of lame. If somebody tries that, just lead the mob right over to them so they get stuck in combat, too.

And yes, I give people *** about leaving items in chests, but it's not against the rules. It's just more frustrating in the scaling areas. But everything respawns. No big deal.

burglar

I understand everyone plays the game differently, and some people really just want their experience to be lighthearted and fun, and when another player takes them away from that they get frustrated, then blame the game. I can see the point in not wanting chests to be 'stolen,' you want loot(to be entirely fair, you're stealing from the NPCs that own the chest! I digress..). But, even though I agree, and dislike it when people have done this to me in the past, it definitely makes the game more interesting. A lot of the measures that are implemented to resolve issues like the one mentioned here, they progressively turn the game into an... online 1-player game, where everyone is playing a 1-player game together. Which ruins it for me. I'm here, playing an MMO because I want to interact with a range of personalities and playstyles. Don't take that from me, or anyone else who is here for that.

My best suggestion for you is to learn to cope with things you can't change, rather than trying to influence change by complaining here. Not only will it make your experience more fun, but it could potentially benefit you in real life situations as there will always be some circumstance you can't change, but only deal with whatever it brings you. A lot of this kind of hardship builds character, well at least, the way in which you choose to deal with it does.

Good luck.

xerasia

Acrolas wrote: »

Somebody eats your food from the fridge = That person is a ***.

'Free food while it lasts' and the food is gone when you get there = Everybody is a ***.


Yes on the first, NOPE on the second.

Even if you had a really good excuse, it doesn't matter. Like a prof used to tell me, doesn't matter if you got stuck in traffic or got your arm cut off. You didn't get there on time.

Nothing is yours until it's in your inventory. If you're not going to fight for it or take opportunities as they come, somebody else will. The mob excuse is kind of lame. If somebody tries that, just lead the mob right over to them so they get stuck in combat, too.

And yes, I give people *** about leaving items in chests, but it's not against the rules. It's just more frustrating in the scaling areas. But everything respawns. No big deal.

Yeah but if someone gets to a door, opens it, drops something and pauses to pick it up and you just cruise through the open door you're kind of a ****. I'm all for every man for himself in a lot of cases but I also believe in common courtesy.

If someone is fighting a mob near a chest or node, just let 'em have it. Or RNGeeezus is gonna smitecha.

Tholian1

Also make sure that you have ample space in your inventory before unlocking a chest. There are way to many jerks that think you unlocked the chest just for them and you are just standing there digging through your bag for no reason at all.

Thevampirenight

I admit I opened up one chest when someone was fighting mobs in imperial sewers.

oxymartyr_ESO

In my mind the chests are fair game no matter what. It sucks to get one taken from you when you saw it first but they opened it first. I guess it could be because I'm so used to fighting over resource nodes in every other MMO I've played, but i view chests like i view resource nodes they're something that can benefit the other person or me and I'd rather it be me.

maboleth

That cooldown thing with chests is good, the better you become the more easily you will open one. It adds a challenge.

However, I boo those players who run with their noses at your back and "steal" items, alchemy ingredients and chests. That's just a plain bad behaviour.

TheShadowScout

People taking a chest or resource node you are fighting over?
People trying to cut you off and yoink a resource node you are moving towards?
People who grab a chest when you have to retry after messing up your first lockpicking attempt?
It happens.
Because some people simply are jerks.
Especially when they can hide behind internet-anonymity.

They come with an "what I can take is mine, what is left can be yours" attitude that's bordering on sociopathic, are usually unwilling to admit that this kind of mindset is what makes the world a worse place for all others, generally with a arrogant "anyone can do it like that, I just did it better" attitude, and even take enjoyment from other peoples vexation over their unsportsmanlike actions.

No, there is nothing that can be done about it. Except maybe follow them, and see if an opportunity arises to "return the favor" if you are so inclined (strangely enogh, they are usually the ones who get most miffed about it if you dare to do onto them as they did onto you, imagine that...)

Personally I consider doing that a waste of energy.
Personally I consider it poisoning yourself with negative thoughts.

Just move on in a different direction, gather elsewhere and trust that someday Karma will find them in their turn. Because, really, in my opinion those kind of "people" (and I use the term in a loose sense) just aren't worth even your aggrivation.

RAGUNAnoOne

LostRedden wrote: »

It used to be worse in Craglorn over the crafting nodes. It was crazy killing all the npcs around one node in northern Craglorn and then YOINK node gone.

Yeah that issue just moved to wrothgar

Acrolas

xerasia wrote: »

Yeah but if someone gets to a door, opens it, drops something and pauses to pick it up and you just cruise through the open door you're kind of a ****.

It's a little strange to make an argument about an open door when the thread is arguing about ownership of the dropped object.

NCountereb17_ESO

Well ok thanks guys - I guess i feel a bit better now, knowing that i'm not alone in this and that i just need to up my skills)