Who's your favourite ESO villain?

Jura23

I mean NPCs naturally.

From the recent time I quite liked Urfon Ice-Heart. The way his enemies speaked about him with respect and even fear cought my attention. But he himself didn't have much screentime. Shame.

I'm hoping to hear from other ppl about those I might have forgotten already.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

I really enjoy Angof the Gravesingers entire story arc. Thought he was a well designed villian in Glenumbra and even at the end even though I'm not all that sure he turns 'good' (Trying to avoid spoilers). This also could be because I've always been interested in orc/reachmen dynamics and the Reach as a zone in general. Also Lynarith, the dremora, maybe not a villian but an awesome npc character.

General npcs I like alot is the fishing orc in one of the AD zones. I keep forgetting his name but you can meet him while dealing with the Silvenar and his aides. Also, Lord Ruffinari, a dog that walks around Skywatch

theher0not

Does Sheogarath count? He messes with the player quite a bit in this game. The mages guild an the quest when he gives an alcoholic lightning powers in AD for example

Jura23

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really enjoy Angof the Gravesingers entire story arc. Thought he was a well designed villian in Glenumbra and even at the end even though I'm not all that sure he turns 'good' (Trying to avoid spoilers). This also could be because I've always been interested in orc/reachmen dynamics and the Reach as a zone in general. Also Lynarith, the dremora, maybe not a villian but an awesome npc character.

General npcs I like alot is the fishing orc in one of the AD zones. I keep forgetting his name but you can meet him while dealing with the Silvenar and his aides. Also, Lord Ruffinari, a dog that walks around Skywatch

Yeah, I want to know more about Reach as well. Through the entire game my feeling was like they are evil only because they "on the other side" and misunderstood by other races. Of course their own isolancism might caused it in the first place.

Autolycus

My favorite "villain" is Abnur Tharn.

Abnur's loyalties are never really clear, and his true intentions are most likely in-line with just about every other Tharn in the TES universe, which is with nobody, or himself. I would argue that, despite being a major contributor to the Vestige's saving of Tamriel from Molag Bal, he is not really loyal to anybody but himself. I don't want to spoil too much for anyone who hasn't cleared the main story yet. The reason this guy is my favorite is because of his quick, witty comebacks to literally everyone (including the Vestige) who has anything remotely negative to say about him, or questions his motives.

bikerangelo

lag.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

FENGRUSH, The Bull and Cuddles-in-the-Shadows are my favorite villians, also Big Girl With Ax is moving up in the listings.

As for npcs, it has to be Abnur Tharn, you need him but can never really trust him. Wouldn't be surprized to see him in an up coming DLC.

JD2013

King Kurog and his mother in Orsinium.

That whole storyline was just brilliantly done.

Also;

Varen/The Prophet. Whilst he's not outwardly the villain of the piece at all, his narsissism is directly responsible for the Planemeld, however much he tries to make amends.

Also I love that Sheogorath antagonises is quite a bit.

NateAssassin

The loading screen boss, so evil and horrible.

Wollust

Probably Matt Firor and Wrobel

Stranglehands

Prince Maleel
WHO DARES DISTURB MY SLUMBER

Anhedonie

Jura23 wrote: »

I mean NPCs naturally.

From the recent time I quite liked Urfon Ice-Heart. The way his enemies speaked about him with respect and even fear cought my attention. But he himself didn't have much screentime. Shame.

I'm hoping to hear from other ppl about those I might have forgotten already.

Lag and loading screens are pretty badass, but jokes aside Lyranth is pretty well written.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Hermanus Mora, he gets you to do stuff for him without making you feel bad about it, uneasy perhaps. I always got the feeling that he knows more about whats going on then anyone else. I guess thats a by-product of being able to "see" past/present/future all at the same time.

Spacemonkey

Abnur Tharn, no contest

Thorn416

Ki

Thorn416

Thorn416 wrote: »

Kinlady Estre. She was a a bit unnerving because her brand of evil is the most realistic, the one most commonly seen in the real world from people after power

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Thorn416 wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Kinlady Estre. She was a a bit unnerving because her brand of evil is the most realistic, the one most commonly seen in the real world from people after power

I never thought of Kinlady Estre as being evil as much as being on the opposing side.

Wing

I actually thought long and hard about this. I went back through all the zones in my head and thought about the villains in them, their motives, their tactics, their story arcs. . .

I came to the conclusion that I don't really like any of them, it probably comes from having to design so many bad guys and so many quest arcs. but most of the good guys have interesting personalities, quarks, or even better gray areas then the villains.

the villains are always either power, revenge, or greed. only ever seem to have self serving or selfish reasons for what they are doing. are never going about it in a clever or interesting way. and are never redeemable in any way. (I suppose that kind of black and white is on purpose though)

even if they might have a seed of a good idea in the very depths of their plan its always executed in an obviously terrible and irredeemable way as to make the outcome obvious, and they are usually a *** to boot.


though, I do enjoy Molag Bal, him smashing Manimarco in the main quest was very Constantine: "this world will be mine, in time" and when you destroy the anchors one of his lines is "I will give you a minion for every one of mine you kill, you will be a general and have an army, if you will but bend a knee to me." (or something like that) I was like /bend knee right there, that would have been awesome, plus great voice actor

Rosveen

JD2013 wrote: »

King Kurog and his mother in Orsinium.

That whole storyline was just brilliantly done.

Also;

Varen/The Prophet. Whilst he's not outwardly the villain of the piece at all, his narsissism is directly responsible for the Planemeld, however much he tries to make amends.

Also I love that Sheogorath antagonises is quite a bit.

Could you mention which storyline you're spoiling next time? Otherwise it's impossible to tell if I should avoid your spoilers or not. Without any hint about what's hidden, the only safe course of action is not open the tags unless I know 100% of the game.

Thorn416

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Kinlady Estre. She was a a bit unnerving because her brand of evil is the most realistic, the one most commonly seen in the real world from people after power

I never thought of Kinlady Estre as being evil as much as being on the opposing side.

What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt

Wing

Thorn416 wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Kinlady Estre. She was a a bit unnerving because her brand of evil is the most realistic, the one most commonly seen in the real world from people after power

I never thought of Kinlady Estre as being evil as much as being on the opposing side.

What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt

she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.

however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)

had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.

but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-


THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.

Joshuagm1991

Mannimarco because after I killed him he had a husk of corn

Autolycus

JD2013 wrote: »

King Kurog and his mother in Orsinium.

That whole storyline was just brilliantly done.

Also;

Varen/The Prophet. Whilst he's not outwardly the villain of the piece at all, his narsissism is directly responsible for the Planemeld, however much he tries to make amends.

Also I love that Sheogorath antagonises is quite a bit.

"Curse you Mad God! May you become cheese eternally gnawed by skeevers!"

Arshiya

Sheogorath, cause he is the Man. And Lyranth. Though Lyranth is perhaps not really a villain.

Autolycus

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Kinlady Estre. She was a a bit unnerving because her brand of evil is the most realistic, the one most commonly seen in the real world from people after power

I never thought of Kinlady Estre as being evil as much as being on the opposing side.

Good point. I hadn't considered that perspective of it either, but I guess it really does depend on politics here, not so much good vs. evil. Although Estre is responsible for a great deal of acts most would consider evil, stemming mostly from racism.

joker0137

The city guards!

Fight the system man!

GreenSoup2HoT

ME!

TheShadowScout

Villains, huh?
Define "villain"...
I mean, sure there are a few NPCs I enjoyed immesely - Naryu, Lyranth, Abner Tharn... but I'd consider them more... temporary allies of questionable morals, more a neccessary evil then a villain. So I won't count those.
Uncle Sheo... is also more an antagonist rather then a pure villain...

But as far as classic villains go, I did really enjoy hating that guy behind the troubles in orsinium once I figured out just who was responsible for all the mess, and how much of a hypocritical game he was playing (and am proud I twigged to it long before the official revelation!) One endboss where I was thinking "...you really had this coming a looong time..." as I went to face him and his mom for the final fight - even moreso since his intentions were not evil at all, he is way more aboutr shades of gray and doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Way to many wrong things.

LadyNalcarya

JD2013 wrote: »

King Kurog and his mother in Orsinium.

That whole storyline was just brilliantly done.

Also;

Varen/The Prophet. Whilst he's not outwardly the villain of the piece at all, his narsissism is directly responsible for the Planemeld, however much he tries to make amends.

Also I love that Sheogorath antagonises is quite a bit.

This ^

Jura23

Wing wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Thorn416 wrote: »

Kinlady Estre. She was a a bit unnerving because her brand of evil is the most realistic, the one most commonly seen in the real world from people after power

I never thought of Kinlady Estre as being evil as much as being on the opposing side.

What? you may need to go through that storyline and think about everything her and her veiled heritance wannabe Nazis were fighting for and how many they hurt

she was simply a supporter of isolationism, and wanted nothing to do with the war and continue to have the high elves sit on their island. not a terribly bad position or evil.

however she goes about it COMPLETLY wrong, a resistance or terrorist group, same thing different side, relies on the support of the common people you are in theory working for, on multiple occasions she has common people and citizens killed. (there goes your main support) conspires with long time enemies of the dominion (weakens your position with your people) and in the end throws in her lot with a daedric prince and summons daedra on the common people (destroys your position completely and worse makes anyone that might have supported you look like a daedra worshiper / evil doer)

had she taken no military action AT ALL and simply continued to spread anti-Ayrenn and isolationist / traditionalist thoughts and policies throughout Auridon it would have gone better, and had Ayrenn used military force or her eyes of the queen to get rid of the problem it would have made her look all the worse.

but nope, Estre as a person was evil, a b*tch, daedra worshipper, innocent killer, etc. with no redeeming value. so anyone that shared her opinions were the same. and everyone that supports the dominion is just the nicest person in the world that will give you free gold and poop rainbows. -_-


THIS SAME ARC happens throughout every arc. the good guys are just good, the bad guys are just bad (even if they have a reasonable reason behind it all) they execute their plans strategically horrible and irredeemably, and everything is black and white.

Estre doesn't really strike me as an idealist. I think she simply wanted to rule, or her husband to rule. And she saw there is some opposition against Ayrenn's politics among High Elves. That's probably why she adopted this stance. That's how I see it.

Moglijuana

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