What IS WITH DARK CLOAK?

billybailey1982ub17_ESO

I see NBs in PvP spamming it over and over again and yet only way to stop them is to use a potion that cost gold ... and then it only last 5-10 secs... is there an plans on make a skill to counter dark cloak? OR AM i JUST MISSING SOMETHING?
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lolo_01b16_ESO

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

Feisty_Khajiit128

What Lolo said.

Forestd16b14_ESO

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Prabooo

Son, please calm down first.

Ok, now that I got your attention, repeat after me:

ALL AoE's get you out of cloak

FlounderOG

How about neither. The functionality works fine.

dday3six

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Hyperbole and misinformation isn't going to help you're case.

Didgerion

The major problem with dark cloak is that the night blades can reset the fights while cloaked.

I don't mind if a nigh blade cloaks himself and runs away like a chicken. What bothers me is that they cloak, that cleanses them from dots, they are applying self buffs an heals in between and reengage with a powerful surprise attack CC opening...that's too strong for an ability.

The fix is to reveal the cloaked player at any ability they cast. If you cloaked then please feel free to disappear. That feels more balanced to me.

Didgerion

Prabooo wrote: »

Son, please calm down first.

Ok, now that I got your attention, repeat after me:

ALL AoE's get you out of cloak

An AoE will get a skillful night blade out of stealth once or maximum twice...then when healed and buffed up he will reveal himself. There is no need to reveal a night blade.

Waffennacht

Hmmm it seems it takes far more skill to combat a NB than most other classes...

I mean I really don't see too many of these posts about other classes

*shifty sorc eyes* ¬.¬;

Tryxus

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Do you even know how Cloak works?

Dodge rolling removes Cloak, so you can't exactly evade AoEs while stealthed. And if you're talking about dodging an AoE and then Cloaking, then you're forgetting the Stamina and Magicka the NB has to waste in order to get away from you. Stamina and Magicka that could be used to survive better or fight back.

And I'm once again going to list the counters to Cloak:

- Detect pots: a reason why their duration's been reduced? Look at it from a NB POV: if they last the entire 40 secs or so, you're not giving a NB any chance whatsoever to stealth or to make use of their sneak passives/skills. Think about that
- Bolt Escape and Mines: for the Sorcerers
- Piercing Mark: for the Nightblades, and though it may be the most efficient anti-NB skill, it's offset by the fact that the enemy NB has to be revealed first (and it makes NB valuable allies in PvP as well)
- Luminous Shards: Templars
- Ash Cloud: Dragonknights
- Caltrops and Flare: Alliance skills
- Pulsar, Bombarb,... : and AoE Weapon Skill
- ...

So many counters alrdy, so many ppl using them efficiently and so many times ppl have proven that these counters are NOT garbage. Yet you still want to take away the one skill that truly defines a NB because you truly believe the counters are "trash" while ppl keep using them efficiently every day?

KatzMainTank

I've found the best counter to NB's cloak other than Piercing Mark or pots is to use your gap closer/knock down/snare followed by an AoE. Magicka builds are a bit harder to counter with the resource pool and movement speed while in stealth but being patient and luring them to a closed in area/room is your best bet.

xarguideb17_ESO

Talons didn't seem to take a nb out of stealth. What's up with that?

xarguideb17_ESO

Ash cloud is the size of a squirrel's a55hole. Good luck trying to hold anyone in there.

Jhunn

A great example of the typical nerf-this thread that's ruined the game.

Gilvoth

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

this is the answer ^

Toast_STS

Bombard works great on magicka nightblades. They run out of stamina quickly trying to roll out of the root.

eventide03b14a_ESO

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

I see NBs in PvP spamming it over and over again and yet only way to stop them is to use a potion that cost gold ... and then it only last 5-10 secs... is there an plans on make a skill to counter dark cloak? OR AM i JUST MISSING SOMETHING?

There is a skill...it's called radiant magelight and everyone has access to it for the low low cost of two skill points.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Tryxus wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Do you even know how Cloak works?

Dodge rolling removes Cloak, so you can't exactly evade AoEs while stealthed. And if you're talking about dodging an AoE and then Cloaking, then you're forgetting the Stamina and Magicka the NB has to waste in order to get away from you. Stamina and Magicka that could be used to survive better or fight back.

And I'm once again going to list the counters to Cloak:

- Detect pots: a reason why their duration's been reduced? Look at it from a NB POV: if they last the entire 40 secs or so, you're not giving a NB any chance whatsoever to stealth or to make use of their sneak passives/skills. Think about that
- Bolt Escape and Mines: for the Sorcerers
- Piercing Mark: for the Nightblades, and though it may be the most efficient anti-NB skill, it's offset by the fact that the enemy NB has to be revealed first (and it makes NB valuable allies in PvP as well)
- Luminous Shards: Templars
- Ash Cloud: Dragonknights
- Caltrops and Flare: Alliance skills
- Pulsar, Bombarb,... : and AoE Weapon Skill
- ...

So many counters alrdy, so many ppl using them efficiently and so many times ppl have proven that these counters are NOT garbage. Yet you still want to take away the one skill that truly defines a NB because you truly believe the counters are "trash" while ppl keep using them efficiently every day?

Also...Radiant Magelight.

Tryxus

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Do you even know how Cloak works?

Dodge rolling removes Cloak, so you can't exactly evade AoEs while stealthed. And if you're talking about dodging an AoE and then Cloaking, then you're forgetting the Stamina and Magicka the NB has to waste in order to get away from you. Stamina and Magicka that could be used to survive better or fight back.

And I'm once again going to list the counters to Cloak:

- Detect pots: a reason why their duration's been reduced? Look at it from a NB POV: if they last the entire 40 secs or so, you're not giving a NB any chance whatsoever to stealth or to make use of their sneak passives/skills. Think about that
- Bolt Escape and Mines: for the Sorcerers
- Piercing Mark: for the Nightblades, and though it may be the most efficient anti-NB skill, it's offset by the fact that the enemy NB has to be revealed first (and it makes NB valuable allies in PvP as well)
- Luminous Shards: Templars
- Ash Cloud: Dragonknights
- Caltrops and Flare: Alliance skills
- Pulsar, Bombarb,... : and AoE Weapon Skill
- ...

So many counters alrdy, so many ppl using them efficiently and so many times ppl have proven that these counters are NOT garbage. Yet you still want to take away the one skill that truly defines a NB because you truly believe the counters are "trash" while ppl keep using them efficiently every day?

Also...Radiant Magelight.

True, but I left that one out for 2 reasons:

- You need to sacrifice 2 skill slots for that
- The radius isn't big enough

Personnaly, I very much believe that Radiant Magelight needs a severe buff or 2 in order to compensate for its drawbacks (reduced Magicka, skill slot on both bars,...). An increase in radius would be nice, especially for IC. But there are other things that could be addes as well...

leepalmer95

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Oh does flare work now, it used to stop people stealthing not cloaking.

Abob

Stop crying! As you can see, cloak is a *** skill easily countered. I mean, I don't understand how people even use it, being as unreliable as it is.

ZOS should seriously consider buffing cloak, it's too weak. I hope the devs listen to the previous posters and come up with some buffs to such a waste of a skill slot.

Somebody think about NB'S! (And the children).

mr_wazzabi

tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »

Bombard works great on magicka nightblades. They run out of stamina quickly trying to roll out of the root.

Having been playing my magicka nb almost exclusively for the past few months, this is 100% true. A stamina build with bombard will destroy magicka nb.

The root forces you to roll. You can only roll 2-3 times as a magicka build before you run out of stamina and can't break out of cc

mr_wazzabi

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Refer to my previous post. Bombard will fix most of your problems.

FENGRUSH

Biggest problem with cloak is it provides a disjoint/invulnerability upon use. Good NBs can void so many skills with this.

Other issue is bonuses coming from stealth - not really talking about the passives, but the stun from stealth opens (which is for any class) shouldnt really be a thing. The other part is that NBs heal for way too much in stealth (they will crit 100% heals). That needs to be fixed.

Angus

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There are multiple ways how to counter cloak, not only potions. If you are a nb, you can use piercing mark, otherwise you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...) an aoe charge (lotus fan, explosive charge) or radiant mage light.

And as every one else been counter arguing about the "counters" a NB just has to roll left or right and their out of the AOE and most NB skills/spells have longer ranges than RML or potions. Best counter that has any lasting effect is lingering flare and even then all the NB has to do is run around in circles till the effect wears off.

The counters against cloak are garbage and it just boils down to the counters get buffed or cloak gets nerfed. Take your pick NBs.

Refer to my previous post. Bombard will fix most of your problems.

Add caltrops to that list.

Someone casts that and stands in the middle, time me for me to cloak off and go grab a beer.

Asmodean

Along with the many other replies that have explained everything you'd need to know (I suspect you don't care, and simply want to vent).

I don't see how this is even an issue?. Firstly - it's obviously a magicka NB, because a stam NB can't stay in cloak for long. Secondly - the NB can't attack you and stay in cloak. It's one or the other. Sure, they can go in and out, but a magicka NB is going to kill nothing doing that.

It sounds like you're just raging at nightblades getting away, or something...

Waffennacht

Honestly think most of this issue would be solved with the removal of that stun and or the heal bringing anyone outta stealth/invis

Zinaroth

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

you can use a long range aoe (caltrops, steel tornado, blazing spear, ...)

Yeah Blazing Spear has an amazing range and landing speed, covers such a big area.

billybailey1982ub17_ESO

Abob wrote: »

Stop crying! As you can see, cloak is a *** skill easily countered. I mean, I don't understand how people even use it, being as unreliable as it is.

ZOS should seriously consider buffing cloak, it's too weak. I hope the devs listen to the previous posters and come up with some buffs to such a waste of a skill slot.

Somebody think about NB'S! (And the children).

If they buff it? why dont they do what they did to streak and make it cost more the more time you cast it. that will be far

a1i3nz

Heeehee I love frustrating people with my NB. I run bow, concealed weapon, the steed boon (for speed) and the dodge roll passive that increases movement speed. So pretty much can go as fast in stealth as a horse with 40 points in speed. Either run around you in a circle, stun you and WB you or just run off if I'm outnumbered. Good fun.
But for real just pop caltraps or any AOE and it brings most NB out of stealth.

My main is a magicka Templar, this NB is just for fun.