Maintenance for the week of December 16:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – December 16
• NA megaservers for patch maintenance – December 17, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
• EU megaservers for patch maintenance – December 17, 9:00 UTC (4:00AM EST) - 17:00 UTC (12:00PM EST)
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – December 16
• NA megaservers for patch maintenance – December 17, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC)
• EU megaservers for patch maintenance – December 17, 9:00 UTC (4:00AM EST) - 17:00 UTC (12:00PM EST)
The issues on the North American megaservers have been resolved at this time. If you continue to experience difficulties at login, please restart your client. Thank you for your patience!
Thief or Apprentice - PvE
revonine
✭✭✭✭
With the Apprentice I have 2609 unbuffed Spell Damage and 46% crit with Inner light. Would it be better to go Thief in that situation? All small pieces are divines if that helps.
0
-
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you want to be dps then yes, Thief will be better. If you're healer or tank, Apprentice.0 -
lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭
Why apprentice as healer? Imo you should use atronarch, ritual or thief as healer, depending on your gear.TheDarkShadow wrote: »If you want to be dps then yes, Thief will be better. If you're healer or tank, Apprentice.1 -
a_cylon✭✭Pve normally means longer sustained fights. Therefore more resources from Atronach = more damage. A few exceptions i can think of are overload sorc builds and destro staff users.0 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭Shadow with 45%+ crit before potions.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.0 -
TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
Why apprentice as healer? Imo you should use atronarch, ritual or thief as healer, depending on your gear.TheDarkShadow wrote: »If you want to be dps then yes, Thief will be better. If you're healer or tank, Apprentice.
Sorry, I mean the + regen stone. Yeah Atronach.0 -
Kammakazi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ryanborror wrote: »
Why not?
I get an 84.5% Crit Damage bonus with the Shadow stone + four pieces of Divines @ 7.5% — making my 17,105 Overload LAs do 31,559 damage lol0 -
Kammakazi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭
Does that include Major Prophecy, CP Passive Spell Precision, Precise Weapons or any Class abilities/passives?0 -
revonine✭✭✭✭
Does that include Major Prophecy, CP Passive Spell Precision, Precise Weapons or any Class abilities/passives?
It includes Prophecy and the CP passive only.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pve normally means longer sustained fights. Therefore more resources from Atronach = more damage. A few exceptions i can think of are overload sorc builds and destro staff users.
This is really not true. Thief gives more crit which is by definition more damage over the same duration fight. Atronach gives you sustain. It allows you to DPS longer, but it does not give more damage for the same duration fight. At very low CP or while leveling, this might be better, but at end game it is a bad option. If you need Atronach (or Serpent) in PvE to sustain your DPS rotation, there is probably a flaw somewhere in your build, or you group isnt very good. The longest fight in the game right now is Serpant Hardmode. I dont know anybody running a sustain mundus for that fight.
Thief is the answer for DPS.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorry for double post. Pre 1.6, the meta was: Theif for <50% crit and Shadow for >50% crit. I dont think this holds true any longer. I am at 65% crit with my Sorc running thief, and when I switch to shadow, my DPS drops pretty hard (7divines). I have gone to thief on all my builds (including my healer), and it is better across the board. I do run serpent in PVP on my stamblade.
Also:ryanborror wrote: »
Why not?
I get an 84.5% Crit Damage bonus with the Shadow stone + four pieces of Divines @ 7.5% — making my 17,105 Overload LAs do 31,559 damage lol
31K overloads really isnt that high. They should be over 40k with the right build. I need to double check some screen shots at home, but I am 90% sure I have seen them hit close to 50k when fully buffed (running thief).1 -
asneakybanana✭✭✭✭✭Shadow.
You need extremely high base crit for shadow to be worth it over crit because of all the crit damage boosts making it better to have more crit. Somewhere over 60% crit without thief or precise should be the target.
In a raid scenario you would have warhorn up about half the time so that's an average of 20% CD boost as well as rearming trap which gives another 12% CD boost and elfborn which is around an 18% CD boost and lets assume 49% non thief crit chance and add the 3% crit chance from minor prophecy or whatever minor crit is.
Shadow:
1000*48+(1000*(1.5+.18+.18+.12+.2)*52)=161360
Thief:
1000*31+(1000*(1.5+.18+.12+.2)*69=169000
So in this scenario raid scenario thief is around 5% better than shadow.
And also I take back my previous statement about 60% crit. Even at 70% crit thief still out does shadow.Edited by asneakybanana on January 20, 2016 10:40PMAsneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
Asneakyhabenero EP DK Former emperor of Thornblade, Haderus. World first vMA Dk clear (Alliance rank 39)
Asneakycucumber EP Sorc Former empress of Blackwater Bay and Trueflame (Alliance rank 32)
Asneakypineapple EP Temp Former empress of Azuras Star and Haderus (Alliance rank 22)
Asneakypickle EP NB Former empress of Trueflame (Alliance rank 47)
Crowned 27x on 12 different campaign cycles | 200M+ AP earned
Fastest AA clear ever: 5:42 | Fastest HRC clear ever: 5:27 | NA first HM MoL
609k Mag Sorc vMA
NA first Tick Tock Tormentor
NA first trinity (All No Death/HM/Speed run trials titles)
2x Tick Tock Tormentor1 -
RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Okay what the heck is ZOS_MatM doing to this thread?PS4 NA
Argonian Master Race
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
Support Tail armor and tail ribbons: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/236333/concept-tail-armor-for-beast-races#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246134/request-dyeable-tail-ribbons0 -
Love_Chunks✭✭✭asneakybanana wrote: »Shadow.
You need extremely high base crit for shadow to be worth it over crit because of all the crit damage boosts making it better to have more crit. Somewhere over 60% crit without thief or precise should be the target.
In a raid scenario you would have warhorn up about half the time so that's an average of 20% CD boost as well as rearming trap which gives another 12% CD boost and elfborn which is around an 18% CD boost and lets assume 49% non thief crit chance and add the 3% crit chance from minor prophecy or whatever minor crit is.
Shadow:
1000*48+(1000*(1.5+.18+.18+.12+.2)*52)=161360
Thief:
1000*31+(1000*(1.5+.18+.12+.2)*69=169000
So in this scenario raid scenario thief is around 5% better than shadow.
And also I take back my previous statement about 60% crit. Even at 70% crit thief still out does shadow.
This is in reference to sorcs/mag dps only right? I still run shadow on my stamblade.Me: It's[WB spamming DK] a really cheesy build
Guildy: I like cheese with my wine, and WB creates some really good wine.0 -
aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭I use whatever one gives more crit chance because I rely on critical hits as my primary method of healing myself since I no longer use a restro staff. Duel weild and destro staff. Works surprisingly well. Even with only 53% critical rating. I do wish there was a champion points section where I could increase my critical chance rating rather than having to waste another skill slot with Mage light of I want to increase it.0
-
RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use whatever one gives more crit chance because I rely on critical hits as my primary method of healing myself since I no longer use a restro staff. Duel weild and destro staff. Works surprisingly well. Even with only 53% critical rating. I do wish there was a champion points section where I could increase my critical chance rating rather than having to waste another skill slot with Mage light of I want to increase it.
there is a 30 CP passive that unlocks in one of the constellations that boosts it by 12 any more is a bit greedyPS4 NA
Argonian Master Race
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
Support Tail armor and tail ribbons: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/236333/concept-tail-armor-for-beast-races#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/246134/request-dyeable-tail-ribbons0 -
asneakybanana✭✭✭✭✭asneakybanana wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Sorry for double post. Pre 1.6, the meta was: Theif for <50% crit and Shadow for >50% crit. I dont think this holds true any longer. I am at 65% crit with my Sorc running thief, and when I switch to shadow, my DPS drops pretty hard (7divines). I have gone to thief on all my builds (including my healer), and it is better across the board. I do run serpent in PVP on my stamblade.
Also:ryanborror wrote: »
Why not?
I get an 84.5% Crit Damage bonus with the Shadow stone + four pieces of Divines @ 7.5% — making my 17,105 Overload LAs do 31,559 damage lol
31K overloads really isnt that high. They should be over 40k with the right build. I need to double check some screen shots at home, but I am 90% sure I have seen them hit close to 50k when fully buffed (running thief).Love_Chunks wrote: »asneakybanana wrote: »Shadow.
You need extremely high base crit for shadow to be worth it over crit because of all the crit damage boosts making it better to have more crit. Somewhere over 60% crit without thief or precise should be the target.
In a raid scenario you would have warhorn up about half the time so that's an average of 20% CD boost as well as rearming trap which gives another 12% CD boost and elfborn which is around an 18% CD boost and lets assume 49% non thief crit chance and add the 3% crit chance from minor prophecy or whatever minor crit is.
Shadow:
1000*48+(1000*(1.5+.18+.18+.12+.2)*52)=161360
Thief:
1000*31+(1000*(1.5+.18+.12+.2)*69=169000
So in this scenario raid scenario thief is around 5% better than shadow.
And also I take back my previous statement about 60% crit. Even at 70% crit thief still out does shadow.
This is in reference to sorcs/mag dps only right? I still run shadow on my stamblade.
It's for anything you just have to tweak the crit chance and crit hit damage buffs to whatever you use.Asneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
Asneakyhabenero EP DK Former emperor of Thornblade, Haderus. World first vMA Dk clear (Alliance rank 39)
Asneakycucumber EP Sorc Former empress of Blackwater Bay and Trueflame (Alliance rank 32)
Asneakypineapple EP Temp Former empress of Azuras Star and Haderus (Alliance rank 22)
Asneakypickle EP NB Former empress of Trueflame (Alliance rank 47)
Crowned 27x on 12 different campaign cycles | 200M+ AP earned
Fastest AA clear ever: 5:42 | Fastest HRC clear ever: 5:27 | NA first HM MoL
609k Mag Sorc vMA
NA first Tick Tock Tormentor
NA first trinity (All No Death/HM/Speed run trials titles)
2x Tick Tock Tormentor0
