Dk stam without Wb
shugg
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So i normaly tank and do some pvp but i want to do more when no raids on however i hate WB but still wish to use a 2h , i just want to know can I switch this out for molten armaments and still hit hard with heavy attacks? ( i know wb would prob hot harder) .Im on ps4 so carnt see the numbers of my Wb - it says 9.5k on the unbuffed weapon.
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Mac10murda wrote: »Use Wb into dragon leap
Lol.
Anyway op, it is maybe viable. It would require a lot of CP in the blade/heavy weapons passive though. Even then, wrecking blow is a truck and hard to compete with. Could go sword and board for dps. A lot of people are effective with it.
I'm leveling a stamplar with it and find it pretty *** good.Edited by Brrrofski on January 14, 2016 3:54PM1 -
shugg✭✭✭Mac10murda
I do already, what im saying can a dragon knight ability replace it. Its more that i dont like it as an ability and i dont like my main bar full of 2h abilitys . So i was thinking maybe molten weapons may come close to the damage but i have no sight of numbersEdited by shugg on January 14, 2016 3:55PM0 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
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I do already, what im saying can a dragon knight ability replace it. Its more that i dont like it as an ability and i dont like my main bar full of 2h abilitys . So i was thinking maybe molten weapons may come close to the damage but i have no sight of numbers
Yeh, my stam Dk has a grand total of... 3 skill across two bars in pvp. Igneous shield, dragon fire scale and take flight. 4 two handed skills on my 2 handed bar.0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think heavy attacks are ever going to live up to the WB damage and Empower. It's worth a shot I suppose, but you're going to have to sink a lot of CP into it and gear specifically for heavy attacks. You may hate WB, but it does do quite a bit of, well, wrecking. If you're going to spend the time on a wind-up for a heavy attack, you might as well take a channeled attack that grants Empower.2 -
Stelo✭Molten Armaments aren't very helpful unless you're in execute phase and even then, an animation cancel Executioner would be a lot better. I mean you could try it and weave the heavy attacks now and again, but you'd be using quite a bit of magicka for it when you could be using it for igneous/volatile.0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭DW is generally better for more weapon damage, another set piece and access to the best AOE in the game. If you're going to use 2H main. WB is you're best damaging skill as a DK, there is no way around that. WB even feeds into using Molten/Igneous by Empowering the heavy weaves.1 -
MaxwellC✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@shugg It's not really possible honestly. As a stam DK myself there really isn't any good enough stamina ability we could use for a main DPS route that is.
I use molt arm with wrecking blow and it kills, if ZoS would give our abilities more damage rather than DOTS EVERYWHEREZ and more stamina options we could branch out to different skills. Flames of oblivion was one of my favorite skills till they nerf'd it so bad they literally changed the skill entirely (Use to be an AoE that did a DoT and would be centered around wherever you move.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You don't need WB bruh. I dropped it because the DPS I was putting out with ransack was MUCH higher, and it's also more reliable. As long as I stay mobile against WB spammers, they ain't gonna hit me. I run bow and S+B setup, so when I see them winding up, I quickly to swap to bow bar and pop a light attack and magnum shot in their face to gain distance, invasion, then weave ransack.
The great thing about this skill is people don't realise the damage you're putting out so will just stand there, until they notice their health bar depleting at an alarming rate.2 -
Ampnode✭✭✭✭So i normaly tank and do some pvp but i want to do more when no raids on however i hate WB but still wish to use a 2h , i just want to know can I switch this out for molten armaments and still hit hard with heavy attacks? ( i know wb would prob hot harder) .Im on ps4 so carnt see the numbers of my Wb - it says 9.5k on the unbuffed weapon.
What @Brrrofski and @Alucardo said. S&B is actually better DPS than WB. WB will always be the more truck-type of ability, but with S&B, you have the freedom to attack when and how you want to. No waiting for a 1 second cooldown that can possibly be canceled by a dodge or minor movement. Light/Heavy attack + Puncture + Bash with an Unstable Flame on the side is where it's at for you, fellow DK brother.PC NA - CP640+
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yeh, you can wave pretty awesome with Ransack. Mine on my stamplar does just over half the damage a wrecking blow does on my Dk. But I can get two in and two lightcatracks bt weaving in the time of a WB. It doesn't empower or cc, but lowers their physical resist even lower so then when I do cc with javelin or another invasion, I can go to town on them with more Ransack weaving of Biting jabs0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Problem is s+b isn't viable on a console with the bash button using the block button as well you have no resources.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Problem is s+b isn't viable on a console with the bash button using the block button as well you have no resources.
Even using just the interrupt button on PC it still stops stamina regain as it's still considered to be blocking. The input action is just combined to a single button.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
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Even using just the interrupt button on PC it still stops stamina regain as it's still considered to be blocking. The input action is just combined to a single button.
You can rebind it though can't you.
Problem on ps4 is that you have to hold block first then bash, even that 0.3 seconds or so you have to hold it kills you regen, if someone hits you or such your stamina just goes.
If it was 1 button that would be great but if i'f fighting someone and they hit me when i go to bash my stamina just goes.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
You can rebind it though can't you.
Problem on ps4 is that you have to hold block first then bash, even that 0.3 seconds or so you have to hold it kills you regen, if someone hits you or such your stamina just goes.
If it was 1 button that would be great but if i'f fighting someone and they hit me when i go to bash my stamina just goes.
Yes, you can rebind it to a single button. However it's only marginally faster.
It's a matter of timing and where you slot the skill you're trying to weave with on console. You want to make sure the skill is on one of the face buttons, not a trigger. This way your not moving the fingers from the block or light attack triggers. Then it's just getting the time down. You lightly and very briefly hold block and then tap light attack to bash. As soon as you tap light attack release block. I know plenty of DK's that use Sword and Broad as their damage bar in PVP.
Sounds like your having an issue with block cost. You're taking damage during bashes, and it's using stamina. You need to spec CP into block cost reduction to use S&B in PVP. You'll want to balance that with getting 120 in the Lady for unchained. If you're lower on CP try block cost reduction glyphs. You can also try slotting points in Tumbling out of Shadow between Warlord and Mooncalf to make rolling and break-free cost less. Then try to fit Igneous Shield on one of your bars for the Helping Hands passive. Many DKs use that, and it can make up for points spent on Block Cost reduction that might otherwise be spent in Quick Recovery.0 -
RadicalSpirit✭✭✭DW is generally better for more weapon damage, another set piece and access to the best AOE in the game. If you're going to use 2H main. WB is you're best damaging skill as a DK, there is no way around that. WB even feeds into using Molten/Igneous by Empowering the heavy weaves.
Is that steel tornado?0 -
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✭RadicalSpirit wrote: »
Is that steel tornado?
Hands down Steel Tornado is the best AOE in the game.0 -
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Hands down Steel Tornado is the best AOE in the game.
What about the Magick one? I forgot it's name but I'm sure it's either a Mages guild move, or a destro staff move, it's a magicka based AoE.
I haven't played in months so no idea what it's called off the top of my head.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RadicalSpirit wrote: »
What about the Magick one? I forgot it's name but I'm sure it's either a Mages guild move, or a destro staff move, it's a magicka based AoE.
I haven't played in months so no idea what it's called off the top of my head.
Impulse got nerfed steel tornado is far better.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭RadicalSpirit wrote: »
What about the Magick one? I forgot it's name but I'm sure it's either a Mages guild move, or a destro staff move, it's a magicka based AoE.
I haven't played in months so no idea what it's called off the top of my head.
Still tornado has great range and is an aoe execute. I only dual wield on my stam Sorc, but when I drop a negate on a few people and hop in spamming Steel Tornado it is bad time for the enemy. Especially since it heals me when it crits.0 -
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Even using just the interrupt button on PC it still stops stamina regain as it's still considered to be blocking. The input action is just combined to a single button.
Its actually NOT .. if you are using some addon that displays your current buffs/debuffs you will see that if ou bashi using RMB+LMB there is a moment when you have the regen debuff active, while when you use keybing for "breakfree" which makes bash as well the debuff doesn't appear .. I did a lot of testing to confirm that ...
If it was the way you think is is, LA+Ransack/Heroic Slash+bash (the basic animation canceling combo) would not be so viable as it actually is right nowEdited by Stigant on January 16, 2016 3:13AM0 -
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✭✭Oh yea I'm a stamina base DK and use 2H and I don't use WB. Molten armaments actually can hit harder but it will be little bit tough cause of heavy attacks charge time and the fact heavy attacks can be interrupted by a bash attack. But yea you can use molten armaments instead of WB for a harder hit but will take some time to get use to.
But side not it isn't just stamina base DKs but all stamina base builds that use WB. That's the problem magic users it isn't stamina builds are OP but WB is so please stop saying to nerf stamina builds and users.Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on January 16, 2016 4:30AM0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
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Its actually NOT .. if you are using some addon that displays your current buffs/debuffs you will see that if ou bashi using RMB+LMB there is a moment when you have the regen debuff active, while when you use keybing for "breakfree" which makes bash as well the debuff doesn't appear .. I did a lot of testing to confirm that ...
If it was the way you think is is, LA+Ransack/Heroic Slash+bash (the basic animation canceling combo) would not be so viable as it actually is right now
Break-free is a completely different case. It's not going to trigger no stamina regen because using the block and light attack buttons for that is not considered blocking.
You cannot by-pass no stamina regen for blocking. The trick is timing. Regen happens every 2 seconds. So you want to time it so that you got a regen tick before you're blocking again.0
thank you