Julianos or Kagernac's for Magicka Sorc?

Atariz

What sounds like a better build for a destro/resto sorc to you guys?

5 Kags, 1 Kena, 3 Torug (head, destro, resto)
5 Julianos, 1 Kena, 3 Torug

When I get magicka det I was gonna try to fit magnus in with dual swords but those are the two I'm thinking of for now

Thelon

Run Kags if you plan on healing or doing a lot of battle rezzing.

The Juli set up is good damage but poor sustain.

Cinnamon_Spider

You have to go with what you're more comfortable with using. I've used both and I prefer Julianos, but the low regen can be hard to get used to. I go through so many more pots now.

Turtl3Lov3

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

You have to go with what you're more comfortable with using. I've used both and I prefer Julianos, but the low regen can be hard to get used to. I go through so many more pots now.

I'm running Jullianos at the moment on my BWB Sorc, It works well, but I do miss the increased regen from Kagrenacs and I'm chugging a lot more pots now as Cinnaminiwin has stated.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

I like, Kagrenac's. Its very versatile and good for group play. Also has a crucial little health bonus.

leepalmer95

I prefer kag, the crit isn't too useful in pvp and any shield stops it, you only lose a bit of spell dmg but gain hp and regen and the ressurect is quite useful.

Cinnamon_Spider

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I prefer kag, the crit isn't too useful in pvp and any shield stops it, you only lose a bit of spell dmg but gain hp and regen and the ressurect is quite useful.

I'm running a crit build in PVP and I'm not having any issues, since so many players have respecced into stamina builds.

Makkir

I would rather Critical Surge return Magicka instead of a 40% heal....

DannyLV702

Makkir wrote: »

I would rather Critical Surge return Magicka instead of a 40% heal....

God damn I wish lol

Makkir

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I prefer kag, the crit isn't too useful in pvp and any shield stops it, you only lose a bit of spell dmg but gain hp and regen and the ressurect is quite useful.

I'm running a crit build in PVP and I'm not having any issues, since so many players have respecced into stamina builds.

Being that every stamina player is also running impen, you don't notice an issue?...

Cinnamon_Spider

Makkir wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I prefer kag, the crit isn't too useful in pvp and any shield stops it, you only lose a bit of spell dmg but gain hp and regen and the ressurect is quite useful.

I'm running a crit build in PVP and I'm not having any issues, since so many players have respecced into stamina builds.

Being that every stamina player is also running impen, you don't notice an issue?...

I haven't noticed any issues and I'm relying mainly on Power Surge for healing.

FriedEggSandwich

I prefer kags for pvp. It only gives around 75 spell damage less than julianos and allows you to res players right under your enemy's nose. Julianos uses 2 slots to give you 6% more crit which isn't really that useful in pvp imo. If I was building for hardcore pve I would probably choose julianos though.

Johngo0036

PVP - Kragenacs
PVE - Julianos

DannyLV702

I run Julianos because. Once I can craft kags then maybe I'll switch over. The rez speed in pvp is OP as hell lol

olsborg

Now this may just be a false rumor, and im feeding it, but someone said yesterday or the day before that kagrenac is due a nerf...personally I have no idea, but zos has a trackrecord of nerfing sets for whatever reason.

Brrrofski

I use julianos as my sorc is my dungeon dps. I'm not using two lots of v16 mats on it as I have 3 other v16s. So I run julianos in pvp too.

Julianos
Molag kena shoulder
2 torug's

I have the regen stone so sustain is fine.

Knootewoot

Meh julianos. The crits look good, but I rather wear 3 archemage and 4 magnus. More sustain and you can easily change damage/regeneration by enchanting jewels or changing mundus stone.

cschwingeb14_ESO

3 arch mage 4 magnus is pretty terrible. 5 Kags+1kena+1 blood spawn if you are rocking a maelstrom weapon, and if not, then 5kags+3magnus (or 1 kena 2magnus)

Jsmalls

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

3 arch mage 4 magnus is pretty terrible. 5 Kags+1kena+1 blood spawn if you are rocking a maelstrom weapon, and if not, then 5kags+3magnus (or 1 kena 2magnus)

If the damn undaunted chests would give me bloodspawn or Kena Shoulders that's what I would be running...

Master_Kas

I prefer kagernac on my sorc. For the max hp and regen.

Shields cannot be crit, alot of people running with impen atm, 6% crit doesn't seem to be worth it compared to kags bonuses imo.

AbraXuSeXile

I tried both and hated julianos, put kagrenac on and feel great with it.

Septimus_Magna

Johngo0036 wrote: »

PVP - Kragenacs
PVE - Julianos

This ^

Knootewoot

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

3 arch mage 4 magnus is pretty terrible. 5 Kags+1kena+1 blood spawn if you are rocking a maelstrom weapon, and if not, then 5kags+3magnus (or 1 kena 2magnus)

Why is it terrible?

3 arche + 4 magnus + 2 torug give nice Spell damage and regeneration

Of course i would replace something if i had a monster helm/shoulder but i don't have it (yet). If i do Kags, it takes 5 pieces for regeneration and spell damage. I have more spelldamage and same regeneration if i do 3 arche + 2 torug. Except the resurrection time is lower which is a good thing for Kags.

It's not much difference. Also i read somewhere they gonna swing the nerfhammer around Kags, although i don't see why. (

Master_Kas

Knootewoot wrote: »

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

3 arch mage 4 magnus is pretty terrible. 5 Kags+1kena+1 blood spawn if you are rocking a maelstrom weapon, and if not, then 5kags+3magnus (or 1 kena 2magnus)

Why is it terrible?

3 arche + 4 magnus + 2 torug give nice Spell damage and regeneration

Of course i would replace something if i had a monster helm/shoulder but i don't have it (yet). If i do Kags, it takes 5 pieces for regeneration and spell damage. I have more spelldamage and same regeneration if i do 3 arche + 2 torug. Except the resurrection time is lower which is a good thing for Kags.

It's not much difference. Also i read somewhere they gonna swing the nerfhammer around Kags, although i don't see why. (

The nerfhammer will probably be towards the ress bonus

Lexxypwns

If you're using destro/restro, I'm assuming your spamable dps is going to be crushing shock with medium/light weaving, in that case, I'm not sure you need the extra sustain from Kag's hope which makes julianos a preferable choice imo.
A lot of people are pointing out the lack of crit being viable in pvp due to impen or shields, but the reality is, a lot of people aren't running tons of crit resistance. Basically any stamina build in the 360-400 CP range isn't going to have many points in resistant because dat unchained passive is too stronk to pass on.

As far as your filler sets, 3 willows path? That way you get more mag sustain to balance what you lose from kag's hope and more stamina sustain so that you're not just ruined if someone times 3 CCs correctly

puffy99

Yeah both are top sets for magicka -

I really like Kag's and it's overall playability.
Juliannos very good as well.
Kags to me seems a little more versatile but 8 traits I believe..

Lil_Willie

F Julianos. Its a rip off. If you fight someone for more than 30 seconds, youll start using your Pots.

leepalmer95

Lil_Willie wrote: »

F Julianos. Its a rip off. If you fight someone for more than 30 seconds, youll start using your Pots.

There are other ways to get regen.

Waffennacht

Julianos is pretty good, crits are very useful.

Krag I haven't used before but I can see why it is used.

Julianos is unique, as is crag, (there are what 4 sets with the exact same first 4 bonuses)

Personally I was using Julianos in PvP

Galvanize

I prefer kagrenacs, I don't like the 2 and 4 trait on julianos but it's great for PvE

Kas

imho kags is the perfect choice if you run regfood/drinks (because the health bonus is useful then).
the rezzing is useful as well and every bonus is interesting.
Meanwhile julianos comes with all that crit chance which is nice but significantly less powerful in pvp because of enemy shields, your own def relying on shields, impen and the anti-crit CP passive.

If you run food, however, imho the extra health on Kagrenac is a wasted stat (even more so than the crit on julianos). You will have to compensate (glyphs, mundus) for the lost regen anyways and the difference between food and drinks is much bigger than what you lose form the other set bonus.

--> both valid choices. maybe kagreacsis slightly better, but julianos is MUCH better for pve (though you could also look at a build where you swap kagrenac for scatching mage for pve)