[Build] 2.1 Theorycrafting - "Trinimac Medevac" DK Support Healer

hamgatan

So I have this idea in my mind and I jumped onto the PTS last night to test it out.. now I'm throwing it out here..

The idea is to turn a DK into a tactical support healer. Theres an obvious weakness to a Templar by not having shards and this is hardly what I'd call a build for someone going solo, but it can at least run Orbs. This isn't a solo build, but if you're running 12 player AA/SO/HRC this could be potent as f***. The build is centric on proccing both Combat Physician AND Trinimacs although i know CP doesn't proc Trinimac through its own proc.

With the below figures I was putting out around 45% Spell Crit, 2100 Mag Regen (it becomes 2300 if you slot Purge and have the Support Skill regen passive).

Attrib Pools were around 40K Mag, 15K Health and 13K Stam (with V15 Food).

[Race]
Working with Altmer on this because of Magicka Passives.
Breton would work also.

[Class]
Dragonknight

[Attrib Points]
All Magicka

[Champion Points]
This is where im still playing around.. (Based on 300CP)

Thief / Arcanist - 40, Magician - 40, Healthy - 5, Mooncalf - 5, Elusive - 10, Tumbling - 10
Mage / Blessed - 30, Thaumaturge - 30, Elfborn - 20, Spell Precision - 20
Warrior / Hardy - 20, Elem Defender - 20, Spell Shield - 20, Bastion - 20, Resistant - 20

[Gear]
5Pc - Combat Physician (Light - Head, Shoulders, Chest, Legs, Feet)
5Pc - Trinimac's Valor (Light - Waist, Gloves - Jewellery - Neck, Two Rings)

[Bar One] - The Masters Restoration Staff

1 - Mutagen
2 - Spinal Surge
3 - Igneous Shield
4 - Healing Ward
5 - Harness Magicka

ULT - Reviving Barrier

[Bar Two] - The Masters Restoration Staff

1 - Blessing of Restoration
2 - Extended Chains
3 - Choking Talons
4 - Draw Essence
5 - Mystic Orb

ULT - Magma Shell

(I know this is a dream build with two Masters Staves but its what i was testing with so open to suggestions)

From Field Testing in Orsinium - It was really easy to stay alive and showed heaps of potential. So easy in fact when you can stack 54Kworth of shields! (with Reviving Barrier active) DPS was meh (about 3K) but could become a little better by dropping one of the shields and adding another DoT. But, this isn't a DPS, nor a solo run build, so no point. Tripots would be required for this build as even with 2100 regen and magicka return abilities i would still run out of Mag eventually.

I need to find a PTS group to run with and test HPS better, but Blessing of Restoration was healing for 10K per cast. Almost always a crit heal.The other thing I need to test is how many Igneous Shield cast's it'll take to proc Trinimac. I would think that in an Orsinium World Boss group you could proc it almost on each cast (if 5 allies receive the buff). The question is would you have to wait for Igneous to cool down completely before re-popping it or could you pop it again (even though it doesnt stack) and proc Trinimac outside the 3 second cooldown window?

The other component I'm yet to test is whether its more beneficial to sod off Combat Physician and work with Bogdan the Nightflames two piece and a crafted 3 piece (inc One Heavy and one med for extra resistance and Undaunted Mettle, which could become a 4 piece if the weapons were changed out as well for set items). The reason I'm leaning toward this as well is the 2% proc chance is not entirely unreasonable if you are group healing a big party - there is of course the small Totem radius to its detriment though.

Anyhow this is where I open the discussion.. Thoughts? Ideas?

Johngo0036

Hi,

I would change the healing ward for the other morp,
More shields to proc trinimac,

hamgatan

good call. Healing Ward is one shield to the lowest health party in the group (which more often than not happens to be yourself).. wheras Ward Ally guarantees it to be you AND an ally 100% of the time. Might change it up for that!

HIghwayRobberBill

i run a build pretty close to this already on my dk, except i use spell power cure instead of combat physician and have spirit siphon instead of chains. i really like your idea with the combat physician though. to answer your question, you can cast igneous shield over and over again to get it to proc trinimac but i wouldnt just because it seemed like a waste of magicka for a small heal vs combat prayer. the only other thing i was going to try, and you may like this as well because you're using the master resto, was a 5pc torugs pacts to get the extra 30% to weapon enchants and actually restore a decent amount of stam with healing springs.

LadyNalcarya

That might be very interesting, especially when another healer in trial team would be a templar with shards and spell cure set...

DschiPeunt

hamgatan wrote: »

good call. Healing Ward is one shield to the lowest health party in the group (which more often than not happens to be yourself).. wheras Ward Ally guarantees it to be you AND an ally 100% of the time. Might change it up for that!

I would still stick with the healing ward, since it is basically the only ranged burst/instant heal you have as a DK.
Also I am not 100% sure if the proc chance is for every ally or for every cast. Anyone tested this by now?
Because if it is for every ally, the igneous shield will do a better job proccing the set.

Besides that, I find DK to be a good choice for healers, especially for trials, since a lot of healing there is done via area healing, which really profits from the major mending buff, the igneous shield provides.

Personally I think there are better sets than combat physician and trinimacs valor, but on the other hand, I understand, that you want to give those sets a shot.
What jewelry enchants did you use? Because >2k mag recovery seems like more than needed tbh. I would guess that you could spam healing springs to infinity with this stats, but you might have quite low spell damage, which would make your healing less efficient.

Waffennacht

Thanks for the thread! I have like nothing to contribute but I am very thankful you brought combat physician to my attention.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

"CP doesn't proc Trinimac through its own proc."

Whaaaat is that true?! Thats the combo I wanted to try out too. Thats disappointing

Praeficere

Playing a DK healer in PvE often myself, some recommendations:

• Switch Blessing of Restoration for Combat Prayer, the heal is well-enough, mine hits for 18k+ on a crit heal, the 8% damage boost for your DDs is fabulous.
• Keep Healing Ward, the oh-crap usability of this morph is the main reason for using this. Much of the DK healing is passive but when you do need to pop an emergency heal on someone, and you can't slap a Combat Prayer down in time - Healing Ward and it'd take 'em up to 100% in combination with your HoTs. You won't need to shield yourself generally and if you do need to heal up quickly, Combat Prayer. Good healers tend to have.. more.. "safe" positioning. As well as this, Trinimac doesn't proc on yourself.
• While you can play without Healing Springs, I really recommend it to take pressure off of yourself and it's extremely useful when *** goes down-hill and you have to heal spam. Place it down as you engage, put it down every now and then. If you're using a Master's Resto, why not use Healing Springs to give stamina to your Tank and Stamina DDs?
• On Harness Magicka, again, you really wouldn't need as much self-defence. I'd prefer to slot Elemental Drain or Siphon to restore magicka to your DDs.
• Magma Shell has a terribly small synergy range, but it's main use on a healer is for emergency revives. You can keep this or use Aggressive Warhorn if your tank isn't running it for the super damage- and stat-boost. Barrier would be your pre-emptive and emergency shield alongside Bone Shield.

Bogdan's... Use it if you want, it can be fun I suppose, although it hardly procs. It doesn't add much, in fact the higher stats from using 2-Torugs would increase your current HPS over a fight more so than Bogdans would.

Combat Physician + Trinimac, v16 Weapons and Jewellery enchants would make it work, a v14 weapon.. low spell damage but doable. Again, as with most stuff in ESO, straight stats is almost always best with the "fun" sets being executed poorly or lacking in impracticality.

I use Trinimac every now and then, when it does proc your team has often moved out of the range since it pops after its animation. It's okay if you stack up.

Kaliki

Don't understand how anyone can consider using Trinimacs Valor.

Even if you get really lucky on the procs the damage and healing is tiny, random, limited to an area, in short: not much of an asset.
Also it has a CD if I remember correctly, which decreases the amount of procs you will get even more.

A boring 5pc bonus like 8 % cost reduction or SP on the other hand will always be useful.

Im sorry if I sound hostile, but this is one amongst tons of sets that is utterly useless. Even if they added a 100 % proc chance and doubled or tripled the numbers I could just barely see it be worthwhile for certain situations.

You might want to use up to 4pc though as those bonuses are decent...

Praeficere

Kaliki wrote: »

Don't understand how anyone can consider using Trinimacs Valor.

Even if you get really lucky on the procs the damage and healing is tiny, random, limited to an area, in short: not much of an asset.
Also it has a CD if I remember correctly, which decreases the amount of procs you will get even more.

A boring 5pc bonus like 8 % cost reduction or SP on the other hand will always be useful.

Im sorry if I sound hostile, but this is one amongst tons of sets that is utterly useless. Even if they added a 100 % proc chance and doubled or tripled the numbers I could just barely see it be worthwhile for certain situations.

You might want to use up to 4pc though as those bonuses are decent...

Healing ability is more than enough without even slotting 5 pieces of gear, why not have a "fun" Trinimac? Heals are good-enough, as is damage from other skills while running it. If you want the most effective but boring of builds, straight stat boosts are the way to go like you're suggesting. Want to spice up the dungeon when your healing/support ability is at a good-enough level, slot some fun sets. SPC is great, but not many at all have the complete set or wish to grind as much for so, but even then - SPC + Trinimac gives you more than enough stats to complete any content at a nice level, without the 5th piece of either set. Yeah, the 5th piece on Trinimac doesn't work too well, but if someone wants to play around, make a thematic build and have fun, why not?

Kaliki

If by spicing up the dungeon you mean having a novelty graphic effect popping up now and then I agree.

Of course everyone is free to wear nonsensical gear... I am just afraid that ZOS will only produce even more of it if the shortcomings of their design arent pointed out.

I don't see the fun in crippling myself with Trinimac, nor with skills that are as clearly underwhelming as wall of elements.
I just feel that every bit of player acknowledgement for such failed design is damaging the game.

I want sets that support "different" kind of playstyles... but they should always make sense and be worth wearing for certain builds or be an asset in certain situations.

Trinimac is just another underwhelming set in a long row of bad healing sets: Bogdan Monster helmet, that set with 5pc bonus cleanse one effect from target every 30 sec, Redistributor...

It could be great, but the game does not support the set enough.
To be ci structive, here are some concrete problems with the set:
- Only DKs can make use of Trinimac
- Too few shield spells available to proc it
- No synergies possible with other shield procs from sets
- Apparently it does not proc from barrier
- Small radius
- the shielded player does not necessarily need any heal at all or has no enemies/allies near him, leading to useless procs
- 3k damage or heal is too low to make a difference
- long CD
- as a DK, how often does it make sense to shield your group in a fight? How often can it proc? I think not enough to make a difference or be fun, except for seeing a visual effect most other players are never going to see.

Praeficere

The idea of Trinimac is for it to proc, then have the group play around it until it pops (queued heal/AoE damage (9k+ heal, 7k+ damage)). That's what I see from what it was to be. However, with DPS being so high that you can ignore enough mechanics in PvE to make it an AoE spam and "pure" tanks only being needed on Trials, not many active sets will work. The CD is a problem, and the radius is low. I agree, a nice idea but bad execution. My point is, using 1 gear bonus for the "crippling" 5 piece does not gimp yourself at all, what's needed to fulfil and excel in their role is covered twice-fold by even the most basic of gear.

It's how ESO is right now, straight stat boosts will always be more "efficient" in ESO's PvE environment as everything is covered in existing skill lines and current gear/CP makes those stats riduclous.

I respect OP for putting together a fun and thematic build in ESO's current environment and he's put together a nice idea. When I do use Trinimac, it's often because I switch my spell-damage Willpower rings to Trinimac for more sustain (I use Thief when healing). I then can either slot a 5th piece Trinimac or pop a Kena piece on. Often enough in a run I can let Trinimac pop instead of casting a 1 or 2 Healing Springs or a Bone Shield - letting me do other things. It does need a few changes, as we've both stated in this thread but you neither gimp yourself or hurt your team by running it.

Xvorg

Why not combat physician + permafrost?

Praeficere

Xvorg wrote: »

Why not combat physician + permafrost?

Permafrost 5th piece only applies to yourself as far as I know, might work for a DK Tank/Heal hybrid if you want to go crazy - tanking in light is certaintly doable.

Xvorg

Praeficere wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Why not combat physician + permafrost?

Permafrost 5th piece only applies to yourself as far as I know, might work for a DK Tank/Heal hybrid if you want to go crazy - tanking in light is certaintly doable.

Hmm, should require S/B

It should work for a mag Templar too. Anyway, I'd go Permafrost + julianos/kagre

I think it's time to go back to homework xD

Praeficere

HIghwayRobberBill wrote: »

i run a build pretty close to this already on my dk, except i use spell power cure instead of combat physician and have spirit siphon instead of chains. i really like your idea with the combat physician though. to answer your question, you can cast igneous shield over and over again to get it to proc trinimac but i wouldnt just because it seemed like a waste of magicka for a small heal vs combat prayer. the only other thing i was going to try, and you may like this as well because you're using the master resto, was a 5pc torugs pacts to get the extra 30% to weapon enchants and actually restore a decent amount of stam with healing springs.

Torug's 5th bonus doesn't work on Master weapons unless they've ninja-changed it.

Waffennacht

Ok i know you're not a sorc, but I have a theorycraft idea for you.

A Sorc's pets count as allies for all other abilities. I would think would be true for trinimac as well. Hardened Ward puts a shield on these pets each time, so each time you activity hardened you should have a chance to proc trinimac.

Combat physician also could use pets/pet to proc.

Im wondering if you could reliably proc the set with a pet build (possibly running only one)

Each time I did a solo dungeon I hit hardened ward enough times to surely I would've proced trinimac every 3 seconds.

Combat physician seems a bit meh with this, you could use combat prayer to pump your pets and potentially proc physician, but I dunno how much you would want to dedicate to doing that in a non group circumstance.

I can picture my old build of two pet solo sorc, combining dark conversion with hardened ward for impenetrable defenses. Trinimac would throw down a bit more dps while doing the combo.

I like the idea, one for dungeons and one for group pvp maybe

wrathofrraath

Ive been messing with this build already since last month 5 trin-jewlery robe and shoulders, the rest 5 combat phys with vma staves or swap to a master resto to make me feel like im helping stamina builds lol. Ive noticed that the shard of trinimac will proc but if the player is running around they run away from the proc and dont get the heal as the proc will remain where it procd. Also when heal i have ign shield on my main bar with a destro and the standard 3 ardent flame abilities swapping burning embers for ele ring on trash and 4 resto staff abilities on my back bar ( rapids, ward, springs, combat prayer) because you need to 50/50 dps heals these days as a healer. Your in 7/7 LA so you do all spell damage enchants the thing is even with all spell damage enchants dps takes a hit. You could weave obsidian shard with a destro to do more heals but obsidian shards damage is terrible even more so with these sets on. Nonetheless this build is pretty sweet for a dk healer but only if your in a scenario where your the didicated healer for a 12 man group I wouldnt use it in dungeons the dps loss is too significant.

I've healed every content in this game on my DK including raids, vdsa, and more recently a no death vicp run. DK heals OP

ryanborror

What about trying spell power cure with trinimac? You should consolidate and run destro/resto. I'd also switch to combat prayer and maybe incorporate siphon sprit or ele drain. This makes me want to heal on my dk.

Waffennacht

ryanborror wrote: »

What about trying spell power cure with trinimac? You should consolidate and run destro/resto. I'd also switch to combat prayer and maybe incorporate siphon sprit or ele drain. This makes me want to heal on my dk.

Actually this thread got me all pumped for my old school Solo Sorc Tank.

I need at least 2 more peices to test the proc (I really hope it does cause it would just be awesome)

Im already diggin my build. My only test so far has been Solo CoA on normal mode, walked right through (I didn't change much other than some CP and Sword and board and skills leaving me with only 15k health whoops!)

Anyway, I think trinimac can be pretty awesome and im thankful for the thread

Waffennacht

ryanborror wrote: »

What about trying spell power cure with trinimac? You should consolidate and run destro/resto. I'd also switch to combat prayer and maybe incorporate siphon sprit or ele drain. This makes me want to heal on my dk.

Actually this thread got me all pumped for my old school Solo Sorc Tank.

I need at least 2 more peices to test the proc (I really hope it does cause it would just be awesome)

Im already diggin my build. My only test so far has been Solo CoA on normal mode, walked right through (I didn't change much other than some CP and Sword and board and skills leaving me with only 15k health whoops!)

Anyway, I think trinimac can be pretty awesome and im thankful for the thread

Praeficere

Waffennacht wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

What about trying spell power cure with trinimac? You should consolidate and run destro/resto. I'd also switch to combat prayer and maybe incorporate siphon sprit or ele drain. This makes me want to heal on my dk.

Actually this thread got me all pumped for my old school Solo Sorc Tank.

I need at least 2 more peices to test the proc (I really hope it does cause it would just be awesome)

Im already diggin my build. My only test so far has been Solo CoA on normal mode, walked right through (I didn't change much other than some CP and Sword and board and skills leaving me with only 15k health whoops!)

Anyway, I think trinimac can be pretty awesome and im thankful for the thread

To test the Trinimac proc? Only procs on shields casted to "an ally other than yourself".

Waffennacht

Exactly! And guess what?!

Trinimac procs on Sorc Pets! Got 3 more peices last night and had a chance to test it.

With a pet out, spamming hardened ward will cause this set to proc! Im so stoked.

Even though my set is only blue v15 my regen is at 2000 unbuffed with this set. All I now need is to get jewelry for this set.

Seriously though, im thinkng that my solo sorc pet build is gonn LOVE this set

Praeficere

Right *facepalm*

I completely forgot about Sorcs having pets.... I've seen too many shield-stacking Sorcs in Cyro....

It's a great idea, sadly I haven't a Sorc myself that I've stuck with past level 9 so I couldn't try myself. Although, I will warn you - it won't proc as much as you'd like! I did a few vWGT runs today which has lots of crowded fighting, the Trinimac set really showed there where it was able to boost my passive healing and damage on a sometimes helpful situation, although it wasn't essential to anything, just nice to look at.

You can have about 2 or 3 pets on a Sorc? About the same conditions as a 4-man dungeon but there's a lot of Igneous Shields going down on my Dk, only once did it proc on a healing ward.

Anyway, wish you the best of luck with the Trinimac grind, hopefully it won't take you too many months. Looking foward to hearnig how it works for you. In the mean-time, I'll be figuring out how to squeeze Trinimac with my DK Healer.

Actually, fighting with Sorc pets in group dungeons would increase the chance of Trinimac proccing.. hm...