Wrothgar World Boss Events - Too many players?

Troneon

The world boss's have a chance to drop the new sets, hardly ever happens but it can happen and had a few times where it dropped...

What is the cap of players that can be in group before people start missing out on loot? I know in IC it's around 12 players but what about PVE?

In peak times we have 20-30 players per group on a world boss not including players who just tag along out of group and half the group get no loot from the boss at all...

What is the cap for players to get loot in PVE and can zos increase it please? Whats the point of having the boss's drop the new sets in these huge open world events where world boss's get nuked by 30 players in 5 seconds and no one gets any loot?

Seems like bad game design. The exact same issues would happen in GW2 with their world boss's events, huge zergs of players just spamming one skill, no challenge and only half of the people get rewarded for the event....hated GW2 world boss events and hope ZOS are not trying to copy that trend...

Nestor

Troneon wrote: »

What is the cap of players that can be in group before people start missing out on loot? I know in IC it's around 12 players but what about PVE?

The Dropped set items come from the Reward Containers, not the Bosses. EDIT Maybe there are drops from Bosses, I have just not noticed.

You know, I heard about the 12 player limit. However, two nights ago, I was in groups of 18 or so players, one I think was 20+ and the bosses dropped a full load of loot.

Two caveats:

The Boss Cool Down Timer can still be in effect so that if you kill two WB's too quickly, the second one may not drop much. It seems to be about 20 minutes, but it takes more time than that to get a group from one boss to the other, quests turned in, quests shared, preliminaries etc.

Second, RNG has a big impact on what you get out of the Containers. So, if you get a VR15 Blue Decon drop, it probably has nothing to with how many were with you in the group, as I have picked up containers grouped and not grouped and it does not seem to matter. But, if your concerned, then just drop the group before you turn in the quest.

Zerok

From what I've seen, the reward containers can only give three sets: Trinimac, Briarheart and Pariah.

Briarheart is amazing for high crit builds BTW.

I have yet to see another of the Orsinium sets.

Troneon

@Nestor Incorrect, you can get the new sets from wrothar from daily containers AND boss's (much less chance) and treasure chests and treasure map chests.

I have got them from all of those sources before.

The daily containers do have the highest chance though.

Nestor

Zerok wrote: »

From what I've seen, the reward containers can only give three sets: Trinimac, Briarheart and Pariah.

Briarheart is amazing for high crit builds BTW.

I have yet to see another of the Orsinium sets.

Yep. One thing it took me a while to notice, is the 2 to 4 piece Bonuses are the exact same as other Crafted Sets. For example, Hundings Rage and Briarheart is the same for the first 4 bonuses.

However these new sets do drop jewelry with the bonuses, so it makes it possible to have two 5 piece sets. Hundings/Briarheart in two 5 piece sets would be insane, and would let you run Sharpened on your weapons and probably still hit 100% on Crits. However since you don't need that much, you could use a different Mundus for more damage and use Sharpened on your weapons.

Weberda

If you take down the boss with 30 guys nobody deserves a drop. That's just plain overkill to the nth degree.

Troneon

Weberda wrote: »

If you take down the boss with 30 guys nobody deserves a drop. That's just plain overkill to the nth degree.

You can't control how many players show up....only how many you let in the group and only then if you are the leader and only then if you know about limiting the group to make sure everyone gets loot....

Which is very impractical to expect.

Nestor

Troneon wrote: »

@Nestor Incorrect, you can get the new sets from wrothar from daily containers AND boss's (much less chance) and treasure chests and treasure map chests.

I have got them from all of those sources before.

The daily containers do have the highest chance though.

Hmm, never noticed any new dropped set items from WB's over there. Then again, I tend to just grab the goodies and move on without looking at them. The list is frequently more than 4 or 5 items and I tend to not scroll.

Asherons_Call

Troneon wrote: »

@Nestor Incorrect, you can get the new sets from wrothar from daily containers AND boss's (much less chance) and treasure chests and treasure map chests.

I have got them from all of those sources before.

The daily containers do have the highest chance though.

Chests in Cyrodiil also drop these new sets

starlizard70ub17_ESO

You can also get the new sets in chests from IC, I'm not sure if bosses in IC drop the sets or not.

NBrookus

Zerok wrote: »

I have yet to see another of the Orsinium sets.

From drops, or people using them? I have certainly got more Briarheart than anything else, followed by Pariah and then Trinimac. Of course, that may be skewed since I *want* better Trinimac pieces. I do see quite a few players wearing Trinimac. It's hard to miss the wings.

I agree the WB groups are generally too big to be any fun. Loot seems to be based on the top damage dealers to the boss. Which sucks for tanks with lower DPS rates, but especially for healers.

Pangnirtung

World Boss drops are meh.

The better loot comes from the quest reward containers.

Anhedonie

Weberda wrote: »

If you take down the boss with 30 guys nobody deserves a drop. That's just plain overkill to the nth degree.

*** OFF everyone! This is my boss!

Lord_Ejl

I haven't done much bosses yet in wrothgar for the same reason. I'd like them to stay challenging, but there's always a huge group, and the boss is over in less than a minute, then they rush off to the next one. Been waiting it to quiet down so i could enjoy the bosses, but maybe when the next DLC is released.

Sausage

World Bosses are exactly that. Ive complained it too why everyone doesnt get the reward though, World Bosses are designed to draw all people in, it should give that MMO-feeling, but anywa why shouldnt everyone be rewarded.

Also maybe they should add somekind of Message when World Boss Event is about to start, so everyone go there, I read earlier that some people complained there isnt enough people, so if there was a message, everyone would go there.

Magdalina

I don't care about the drops, but it doesn't seem the reward depends on number of people. I've soloed and duoed them quite a few times, most of those times I didn't get anything. I think yesterday after duoing Unfinished Dolmen I got a set piece(v15 Briarheart chest) for the first time like ever. Probably just ZOS usual RNG.

I also find the big groups there kind of sad...they need to scale bosses to size of group or something, 20 people roflstomping poor guys is just not fun:/

willymchilybily

where are all you guys going for these huge groups im lucky if i find another 2 people waiting at the boss sites, i gave up long ago and resorted to farming the outer ring of IC sewers central chamber. The dailys/bosses drops are not good enough nor frequent enough to waste my time on waiting for groups.

Nestor

I just did several world bosses and did not get one Dropped Set item from them. Then again, I got one dropped set item from the reward chest (a VR15 item for my VR16 character).

So, RNG is not favoring me.

Nestor

willymchilybily wrote: »

where are all you guys going for these huge groups im lucky if i find another 2 people waiting at the boss sites, i gave up long ago and resorted to farming the outer ring of IC sewers central chamber. The dailys/bosses drops are not good enough nor frequent enough to waste my time on waiting for groups.

On the PC, all we have to do is pay attention to Zone Chat and people will post XXX World Boss, Quest to Share, yyy for Invite and that is how the groups form.

For the consoles, I would hang out near the Hostel and try to find a group that way. Note, once the quest is shared with the group, you can't pick up another quest. But, you can turn in the one you finish, then pick up another one or accept another one. Anyway, if you do this right, you can do all 6 World Boss dailies in a session.

Reorx_Holybeard

Nestor wrote: »

The Dropped set items come from the Reward Containers, not the Bosses. EDIT Maybe there are drops from Bosses, I have just not noticed.

The WBs can drop sets but at a very low chance. I think I've looted one and seen others (via an add-on) in the group loot set drops from WB a few times. I'd venture a guess at the drop rate being 1-5% and more likely on the lower side of that range.

Waffennacht

Does trinimac also drop jewelry?

Yes it does... hmm i wonder if it's worth having it as a second 5 pc set?

Darkonflare15

Waffennacht wrote: »

Does trinimac also drop jewelry?

Yes it does... hmm i wonder if it's worth having it as a second 5 pc set?

It does. I have all three sets rings and necklaces. I wanted the Briarheart set but got all the jewelry for Trinimac and Pariah. I finally found rings for Briarheart the other day but they are vet 15 while while my Trinimac and Pariah rings are vet 16. Rng gods like to play tricks on me giving me all the sets I do not want first before I actually get the set that I want.

NBrookus

Waffennacht wrote: »

Does trinimac also drop jewelry?

Yes it does... hmm i wonder if it's worth having it as a second 5 pc set?

I'm digging it as part of tanking dungeons. The 5th piece bonus is really for group play. Since I'm using Obsidian Shield a lot, it procs quite often.

For solo play, it may not be worthwhile. It does offer a 3 piece alternative to Willpower jewelry with more of a focus on sustain.