Critical surge question

teladoy

Planing start a new Sorcerer stamina and I was wondering if this skill really heals, considering if I would have a good amount of weapon critic and critic damage and if for example it would critic using wrecking blow, normal attacks or any other skill.

The other option is forget my idea and continue smashing asses with my NB stamina, using surpprise attack, rally, etc.

Thanks for your support! we see us in IC! :_(

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Mr-jo-handsome

If your going to be using 2h . When you gap close with critical rush is is garenteed critical so you get heal

teladoy

No, my idea is not come close from behind. Is just fight, use wrecking blow or maybe any other stamina base skills, that I believe with a high chance of critic sometimes should crit and heal me.

Is that my theory wrong or it can work?

AzraelKrieg

It will work but you'd need to setup your gear to maximise crit chance.

Mettaricana

Night mother three pc and five pc hundings and your good to go crit wise unless you wanna go twice born etc crits a bunch and heals

Erdmanski

Yes, Crit Surge will heal you anytime you crit, no matter if it is a an ability or light attack. The heal is based on the damage of the attack, so the higher the damage you do, the more it will heal for.

Ankael07

You can even heal against damage shields since they dont prevent you from critting rather absorbing all your crit damage down to raw damage

Septimus_Magna

Stamina sorc with Crit Surge, Rally and Vigor can be quite tanky.

You do need a decent amount of crit to assure to get healing, luckily its very easy to get high crit with stam builds.

Just having high crit wont be enough though, you also need high weapon dmg to increase crit dmg and surge heals.

The issues with stam sorcs is that you often get healing from surge when you're dealing dmg with full health.
When they're put on the defensive and stop doing dmg and they become very squishy.

The best stam sorc I know is Feng Rush, he has great build videos on Youtube

teladoy

Yes, that's what I mean, the twice born set, divines, and boons of crit and crit dmg.

Then just pvp, use skills, etc and heal meanwhile.

But the heals would be the 50% of the damage inflicted, while Rally would keep healing me for a constant fix amount even if I hide, run or etc.

Also I have to consider that not the 100% of my attacks will heal.

So is hard to get to the conclusion if all that effort invested will be even competitive or if from th other side it will suck completly.

That's why is important for me if someone already know how good heals and if it is usefull in pvp or not.

Brrrofski

I just got vigor on my stam Sorc.

I was alright in pvp without it. Crit rush and still tornado are your friends though.

5 hunding's, 3/4 night's mothers. Daggers with precise.

You have a bit more freedom when you unlock vigor as you don't needed crit as mich to heal. Dropping night mother's for ashen and putting extra stam Glyphs on armor is one, or keeping your crit build.

So yes, it's viable. You do need rally as well though.

Now I have vigor? Pure annihilation.

runagate

Well, it's tricky. My stam sorc is an orc, and was created as a scroll runner back when more movement buffs stacked. She's at 76.8% crit at the moment (dual wield) with 5/5 Briar and 4/4 Hundings.

In PvP, though, as you can imagine there's a lot of shields you can't crit on. Also, Vigor is nice but will just get you killed in the thick of battle, when it is absolutely imperative that you keep dealing damage and critting to get that self heal. The Briar helps a lot, more than I would have expected, but I'm always experimenting. If only we could use that two handed sword that can stack crit bonus 5 times. My stamplar is using that at the moment, but doesn't need the buff. My stam sorc certainly could.

I frankly cannot see how one could possibly play a stam sorc without crit rush.

willymchilybily

it'll work with a normal stam build nothing special required to get good crit, your'll likely fullfil most requirements by just playing normally.

• 30 champion points into the ritual 12%
• full medium armor for wind walker medium armor passive 21%
• Theif mundus stone 12% + full divines on legendary gear16.78%
• base crit chance 10%
• go khajit 8%
• Precise on a 2H or 2x 1H weapon up to 5% to 7%
• With a Bow or 2x 1H daggers equipped 5% - not relevant to WB spamming.
• likely using 5 piece hunding's rage any way so an extra ~6%

pick and chose as many as you want. My one piece of advice. Put champion points into mighty over precise strikes, go for a ratio around 1 into precise for every 8 into mighty

teladoy

Yes well I know about vigor, that's why the idea is do something different.

Like the guy over me said:

Vigor is nice but will just get you killed in the thick of battle, when it is absolutely imperative that you keep dealing damage and critting to get that self heal.

That is what I'm searching for dont need to stop to heal, just rush like a crazy and crit, crit, heal, critc and do tons of dmg.

Otherwise I can play DK or NB stamina and that's it.

But the think is, not waste my time doing something that will do the ridiculous... has to be competitive and viable and that's why i need to know if the heals wills sustain or are terrible.

Stranglehands

It's no good for tanks because you don't do enough damage. Both morphs of surge are for dps builds basically (i.e. where you keep on putting out damage no matter what), and if you're a tank you want dark exchange or to unsummon your clannfear

Autolycus

Yes it works. My stam sorc plays off of this synergy and it works quite well.

Brrrofski

teladoy wrote: »

Yes well I know about vigor, that's why the idea is do something different.

Like the guy over me said:

Vigor is nice but will just get you killed in the thick of battle, when it is absolutely imperative that you keep dealing damage and critting to get that self heal.

That is what I'm searching for dont need to stop to heal, just rush like a crazy and crit, crit, heal, critc and do tons of dmg.

Otherwise I can play DK or NB stamina and that's it.

But the think is, not waste my time doing something that will do the ridiculous... has to be competitive and viable and that's why i need to know if the heals wills sustain or are terrible.

But you don't just stand and heal. Line of sight and use it, animation cancel it. You can stop hitting for a second. Other classes do..

You won't survive off crit heals alone if that's what you want to hear. You'll lose fights you would won if you had used vigor

Refuse2GrowUp

teladoy wrote: »

No, my idea is not come close from behind. Is just fight, use wrecking blow or maybe any other stamina base skills, that I believe with a high chance of critic sometimes should crit and heal me.

Is that my theory wrong or it can work?

Crit Surge does work, and work well. Just remember tho, some builds will work better than others. Your single target survive-ability is less than your mob survive-ability. Yes, you are guarenteed a heal from Crit Charge. However, WB has a cast time and may or may not crit on contact (even with a high crit chance). So, single target, you may go several seconds, or longer, without a Crit Surge heal if you only plan on using WB.

Steel Tornado in mobs (especially with precise on daggers), and using aoes like Caltrops and Volley (if running 2h/bow) will help increase the chances of a crit heal in addition to your single target damage.

Ensure you have animation cancelling mastered. Common sense dictates that if you can get four to five hits in the same time it would take to cast WB, you will have greater odds at crits (let alone better damage).

Lastly, and let me preface this with the caveat that I am certainly not an expert with my StamSorc build, but I have a much easier time PvEing with my StamSorc than PvP. Lots of shields in PvP and they cannot be crit'd.

teladoy

Wait, shields can't be crit???????

Autolycus

teladoy wrote: »

Wait, shields can't be crit???????

That's correct. For simplicity's sake, we'll just use conjured ward and wrecking blow. If I have a conjured ward active, and you hit me with wrecking blow, it cannot crit against the ward. It can only crit against me, my health, specifically. The ward must be depleted before a crit can land on me.

This applies to all shields, provided that the incoming damage is nullified by that particular shield. Annulment, for example, doesn't protect against physical attacks, so a wrecking blow can still crit me while annulment is active. Spell damage, on the other hand, will not crit until annulment is depleted.

Didgerion

teladoy wrote: »

Planing start a new Sorcerer stamina and I was wondering if this skill really heals, considering if I would have a good amount of weapon critic and critic damage and if for example it would critic using wrecking blow, normal attacks or any other skill.

The other option is forget my idea and continue smashing asses with my NB stamina, using surpprise attack, rally, etc.

Thanks for your support! we see us in IC! :_(

I would recommend to start it. IT is a very fun class with a very unique and aggressive play style. But don't grind it to VR16 wait till they remove VR system and you will not feel frustrated if you end up not liking the class.

MikeB

willymchilybily wrote: »

it'll work with a normal stam build nothing special required to get good crit, your'll likely fullfil most requirements by just playing normally.

• 30 champion points into the ritual 12%
• full medium armor for wind walker medium armor passive 21%
• Theif mundus stone 12% + full divines on legendary gear16.78%
• base crit chance 10%
• go khajit 8%
• Precise on a 2H or 2x 1H weapon up to 5% to 7%
• With a Bow or 2x 1H daggers equipped 5% - not relevant to WB spamming.
• likely using 5 piece hunding's rage any way so an extra ~6%

pick and chose as many as you want. My one piece of advice. Put champion points into mighty over precise strikes, go for a ratio around 1 into precise for every 8 into mighty

Khajiit gives 9%, that is when they actually get it working again. Last I heard people are getting 0% crit with full skill points in the crit racial.

DurzoBlint13

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Stamina sorc with Crit Surge, Rally and Vigor can be quite tanky.

You do need a decent amount of crit to assure to get healing, luckily its very easy to get high crit with stam builds.

Just having high crit wont be enough though, you also need high weapon dmg to increase crit dmg and surge heals.

The issues with stam sorcs is that you often get healing from surge when you're dealing dmg with full health.
When they're put on the defensive and stop doing dmg and they become very squishy.

The best stam sorc I know is Feng Rush, he has great build videos on Youtube

THIS! To run a stam-sorc you only need to know two words- Feng Rush. Watch several of his videos and pick one of the builds that will suit your purposes

teladoy

Oh my... I did a Khajit... really the crit passive is not working????