Conflict Not Always The Answer

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

Deadmano wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

@Deadmano

I did, thank you. I think its funny that you consider Cyrodiil a PvE zone just because it has some quests in it..

So let me reiterate... What I mean was, while you are WITHIN the QUEST HUBS doing PvE things, PvP is brought into it. You are doing quests that have NOTHING to do with PvP and then you may be ganked at any point... You have a set goal of doing one thing, and while it may be refreshing to keep on your toes and have an unexpected battle or two, it is still a forced thing.

If you want purely PvP, remove the PvE aspects, I am all for it. If you want to introduce PvE, at least place some form of protection in the quest hub towns or something. But don't botch things up by trying to make both work, it can't happen.

So no, I do not refer to Cyrodiil as a PvE environment, I see it as strictly PvP with a lot of PvE elements which in turn, turn it into a PvE environment when there is no PvP happening.

Why do you people insist it has to be either PvP OR PvE.. Why can't it be both?? You are in a PvP zone, doing quests, and have to accept that it is a war zone in which enemy players are roaming around.

Just have fun with it or go to Orsinium, please.

vamp_emily

Should we set up an Event just for you PvE players. Have the Emperor show up, then you PvE players line up and take turns killing the Emp to receive the achievement?

I would hate for you to have to go into battle and break a finger nail.

Joy_Division

As a general rule, I do not attack players with a low Alliance rank if they are by themselves in Cyrodiil or in the IC. Yesterday I even bumped in a DC player in the Vile Drainage part of the sewers (it's in the DC part). I waved and whispered that I wasn't going to ruin or interfere with her grind and we both wound up getting exactly what we wanted: some quick XP, TV stones, and Bone Shards.

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Magdalina wrote: »

Lemme show you another one =P

That's 3 "mortal enemies"(EP, AD and DC; I'm EP) binding over defeated body of a district boss xD Was fun to take it down when even with tab targetting the boss the DC's caltrops slowed me and AD and my streak CC'd them both lol. The DC is actually a friend using an alt and the AD is just a random AD who's attacked us several times before but I asked her to stop this time as we were tying to get the boss down and she switched onto boss instead:)

By the looks of that picture I only see 1 or 2 mortal enemies, one of them is clearly a vampire.

Waffennacht

I was questing in Cropsford, there was a fairly strong gank squad of four that kept killing me, so on a returning venture I saw three EP. I went into stealth but not quickly enough to go unnoticed. One came to find me, I engaged to find out this was a group of roughly vet 8 members. I killed all three and continued questing, I later ran into them in cracked wood cave.

I started to attack, they didn't respond and one put up his shield. So I stopped, got the seeds and continued ok on my way. I thought it was pretty cool to walk by them

I actually lose all interest in an enemy that refuses to defend themselves. Ive adopted the whole if they shield up I disengage thing. Plus its pretty obvious when someone doesn't want to fight.

Lightninvash

Deadmano wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

@Deadmano

I did, thank you. I think its funny that you consider Cyrodiil a PvE zone just because it has some quests in it..

So let me reiterate... What I mean was, while you are WITHIN the QUEST HUBS doing PvE things, PvP is brought into it. You are doing quests that have NOTHING to do with PvP and then you may be ganked at any point... You have a set goal of doing one thing, and while it may be refreshing to keep on your toes and have an unexpected battle or two, it is still a forced thing.

If you want purely PvP, remove the PvE aspects, I am all for it. If you want to introduce PvE, at least place some form of protection in the quest hub towns or something. But don't botch things up by trying to make both work, it can't happen.

So no, I do not refer to Cyrodiil as a PvE environment, I see it as strictly PvP with a lot of PvE elements which in turn, turn it into a PvE environment when there is no PvP happening.

no one forces you to do the quests its not a forced thing

Hope499

I would have murdered both of you during the Dolmen...

Traitor.....

Tors

I have only 30 odd words to say to the OP

betrayer, back-stabber, double-crosser, double-dealer, renegade, Judas, quisling, fifth columnist, viper; turncoat, defector, apostate, deserter; collaborator, fraternizer, colluder, informer, double agent; informalsnake in the grass, two-timer, rat, scab; raretraditor, tergiversator, renegado

Deadmano

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Why do you people insist it has to be either PvP OR PvE.. Why can't it be both?? You are in a PvP zone, doing quests, and have to accept that it is a war zone in which enemy players are roaming around.

Just have fun with it or go to Orsinium, please.

Oh, are we now segregating people? Am I inferior or superior now? Thanks for the laugh. :P

The only reason I am doing quests in the PvP zone is because I am a completionist and I try to get ALL the achievements. Does that make me a bad person? It is ZOS' design choice and I am rolling with it. Drop your mighty high horse please.

I have empathy, even in a game. It is my choice to NOT want to kill someone when I have NOT decided to go on a PvP errand. I do not want to ruin the fun for someone, who is there to do PvE things. If I see them doing PvE quests and such I want to leave them be. That is MY CHOICE, no one is forcing me. If I am chasing scrolls or fighting with the Pact then there is no limit.

vamp_emily wrote: »

Should we set up an Event just for you PvE players. Have the Emperor show up, then you PvE players line up and take turns killing the Emp to receive the achievement?

I would hate for you to have to go into battle and break a finger nail.

You too, read above. Stop pissing on us as gamers, we are all the same collectively. Just because you like to mindlessly kill for whatever satisfaction it brings you does not mean I feel the same about achievements. Your post was unnecessarily hostile, we are not in a PvP zone; calm down.

Hope499 wrote: »

I would have murdered both of you during the Dolmen...

Traitor.....

And this is what I love... I would accept my fate, doesn't mean I don't love you any less, pact brother (or sister)! :P

Tors wrote: »

I have only 30 odd words to say to the OP

betrayer, back-stabber, double-crosser, double-dealer, renegade, Judas, quisling, fifth columnist, viper; turncoat, defector, apostate, deserter; collaborator, fraternizer, colluder, informer, double agent; informalsnake in the grass, two-timer, rat, scab; raretraditor, tergiversator, renegado

Hahahaha, is that all the synonyms I get?! Ah well, I kinda did ask for it huh?

Asherons_Call

Joy_Division wrote: »

As a general rule, I do not attack players with a low Alliance rank if they are by themselves in Cyrodiil or in the IC. Yesterday I even bumped in a DC player in the Vile Drainage part of the sewers (it's in the DC part). I waved and whispered that I wasn't going to ruin or interfere with her grind and we both wound up getting exactly what we wanted: some quick XP, TV stones, and Bone Shards.

Need more people like you in the world. Excellent taste in music as well

Magdalina

Drakilian wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Lemme show you another one =P

That's 3 "mortal enemies"(EP, AD and DC; I'm EP) binding over defeated body of a district boss xD Was fun to take it down when even with tab targetting the boss the DC's caltrops slowed me and AD and my streak CC'd them both lol. The DC is actually a friend using an alt and the AD is just a random AD who's attacked us several times before but I asked her to stop this time as we were tying to get the boss down and she switched onto boss instead:)

Ooh, yeah, Libi's great (I'm EP player and I've only met one other opposing faction player as friendly as her, would have to be sneaky zipp)

Nice job on the district boss to, haha. I've only ever managed to duo that flesh taro arch (he doesn't spawn adds so he's kind of a pushover, just got to kite him lots) but the baron scares me because the normal twilights already hit like trucks.

Well to be honest I don't know about "friendly" lol...first time we ran into her she repeatedly kept attacking 3 of us as we were doing some district bosses(and dying every single time, whether before or after she killed someone), then after dying like 30+ times she gave up, did /chair and then even helped us fight some bosses I suppose we convinced her peace was the way to go lol.

And thank you:) It's actually very fun to duo with someone from opposing faction lol, adds some extra challenge to it. We duoed about half the district bosses, the clannfear one was the hardest by far. We'd have probably done her eventually without Libi's help as well but would've taken us maybe another dozen attempts and couple hours I ended up having to "tank" her(streak kiting OP) as my DC templar friend was killing the ads.

Enodoc

Deadmano wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

This is a great story. It brings to mind the idea I had a while back; it was basically an "I am not a threat" flag, a way of indicating to 'enemy' players that you had no interest in fighting them. The idea is that it would turn the 'enemy glow' of your character from red to yellow (like what happens to mobs in certain quest places once you finish the quest there). The enemies would still be able to kill you, but they would know that you had no intention of killing them. (As a way of avoiding people exploiting the system and getting the jump on an enemy, a player who flagged themself yellow would be unable to initiate PvP combat.)

The only issue I see with this is that if you can't retaliate you are basically a martyr... I would want the ability to defend myself if I am being attacked if they clearly have no intention of being neutral or friendly...

Oh no, you would absolutely be able to retaliate and defend yourself if they attacked you, you just wouldn't be able to attack them first.

Lysette wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

This is a great story. It brings to mind the idea I had a while back; it was basically an "I am not a threat" flag, a way of indicating to 'enemy' players that you had no interest in fighting them. The idea is that it would turn the 'enemy glow' of your character from red to yellow (like what happens to mobs in certain quest places once you finish the quest there). The enemies would still be able to kill you, but they would know that you had no intention of killing them. (As a way of avoiding people exploiting the system and getting the jump on an enemy, a player who flagged themself yellow would be unable to initiate PvP combat.)

This is a really good idea.

Heh, thanks. If you're interested in reading more, search for "Alliance War Citizen" and it's usually the first two results. Maybe I should kick it off again in a new thread sometime... I'm sure I could improve over the second version, and there are Tel Var Stones to think about now as well.

Autolycus

It is nice to see friendly players working together like this from time to time. I don't expect to see this in Cyrodiil, but I've had many occurrences of my own in which I got along just fine with a player of another faction.

Then again, I'm not the type of person who outright hates someone or thinks less of them for being on a different faction. I will be competitive too, but it's important to remain a good sport.