Radial Sweep is pretty balanced.

Shelgon

It's actually not, and I think it deserves a rework so Templars can have at least one half decent ultimate to use in PvP.

I propose a few ideas (separately).

1. Make Crescent Sweep kind of the opposite of Empowering Sweep, where instead of mitigation increasing depending on enemies hit, its damage increases depending on enemies hit.

2. Make a morph do Physical Damage and acts as an execute, and the other do Magic Damage, but is similar to Brawler (2H Skill Line) where it gives you a damage shield amount based on enemies hit, as well as more mitigation based on enemies hit.

3. Make one morph have a larger radius and knocks down, and one with a shorter range, doesn't knock down, but does more damage. (simplistic change)

And overall, increase the range of Radial Sweep from 5 meters to 10 meters, even wrecking blow has a longer range than Radial Sweep right now, like.. why.

Autolycus

These are pretty interesting suggestions. I'm not sure if I agree that it is underpowered, though. I wonder if it can be fixed by having higher magicka and spell power?

I like your 3rd suggestion most. Both morphs would have their place in various builds. It would be interesting at the very least to see this in play. I like the idea of having a CC component to one morph.

Shelgon

Autolycus wrote: »

These are pretty interesting suggestions. I'm not sure if I agree that it is underpowered, though. I wonder if it can be fixed by having higher magicka and spell power?

I like your 3rd suggestion most. Both morphs would have their place in various builds. It would be interesting at the very least to see this in play. I like the idea of having a CC component to one morph.

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

Autolycus

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

Shelgon

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

ArtOfShred

I think the biggest issue is the range by far. Radial sweep seems to me like it should a 10-15 yard 360 degree cleave. Maybe some other adjustments as well to put it on the level of other classes ults.

timidobserver

It should do more damage than dragon leap considering that you fly to your target with little aiming necessary.

UrQuan

Empowering Sweep is a highly useful utility ultimate for a tank. With the low ultimate cost you can keep the damage mitigation going for the majority of a long fight, and if you've got a lot of enemies on you it can be a lot of mitigation.

The base skill and the Crescent Sweep morph are underwhelming at best.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

timidobserver

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

As a Templar, I would take this trade.

Solariken

Some great ideas here.

Nice click-baity title - I opened your thread ready to berate you and profane your thread but I'm glad it turned out that you're coming down on the right side of this issue. XD

Solariken

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

You have to be trolling. Soul Harvest is one of the sickest ultimates in the game. Radial Sweep is so pale in comparison.

Aunatar

timidobserver wrote: »

It should do more damage than dragon leap considering that you fly to your target with little aiming necessary.

I swear that timing leap requires skills. And literally NO LAG. And your target MUST be standing and not moving :'D

SemiD4rkness

If you use jabs as main dps in pvp then using this ult results in a loss of dps. It sucks and it should be buffed but whatever im done with this game full of crap that devs wont even fix until there's a DLC to release.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Solariken wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

You have to be trolling. Soul Harvest is one of the sickest ultimates in the game. Radial Sweep is so pale in comparison.

No the fact that I put 4.3k weapon damage behind an ultimate makes it great this can be done with any class as Nightblade have no buffs that others can't get.

My Sweep hits like a Dump Truck but 4.3 damage on my Stamina Templar too the ultimate is not bad doing the Damage of Soul Havest to Six people at once is OP just because you don't stack pure damage on your Templar don't give you the right to say that those classes that do are OP.

The bigger point is if Templars had Death Stroke y'all would say that it's weak cause it hits on one person and that Nightblades do the same damage with Sweep but to more people.

RinOkumara

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

radial=20k
ice comet=50k

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO

The range and damage need to be addressed.

Sleep724

First fix the issue where it doesn't even register hits on targets half the time.

UrQuan

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

You have to be trolling. Soul Harvest is one of the sickest ultimates in the game. Radial Sweep is so pale in comparison.

No the fact that I put 4.3k weapon damage behind an ultimate makes it great this can be done with any class as Nightblade have no buffs that others can't get.

My Sweep hits like a Dump Truck but 4.3 damage on my Stamina Templar too the ultimate is not bad doing the Damage of Soul Havest to Six people at once is OP just because you don't stack pure damage on your Templar don't give you the right to say that those classes that do are OP.

The bigger point is if Templars had Death Stroke y'all would say that it's weak cause it hits on one person and that Nightblades do the same damage with Sweep but to more people.

I play both Templars and Nightblades. Soul Harvest is far, far, far superior to Radial Sweep or Crescent Sweep. I won't necessarily say it's better than Empowering Sweep, but that's only because Empowering Sweep is good for a tank.

Soul Harvest is by far the most spammable ultimate in the game (it's the lowest cost ultimate in the game and it passively increases your ultimate generation), and it significantly reduces the time to kill your target by increasing your damage against them and giving them a healing debuff. My Nightblades always run it on one bar.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

UrQuan wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

You have to be trolling. Soul Harvest is one of the sickest ultimates in the game. Radial Sweep is so pale in comparison.

No the fact that I put 4.3k weapon damage behind an ultimate makes it great this can be done with any class as Nightblade have no buffs that others can't get.

My Sweep hits like a Dump Truck but 4.3 damage on my Stamina Templar too the ultimate is not bad doing the Damage of Soul Havest to Six people at once is OP just because you don't stack pure damage on your Templar don't give you the right to say that those classes that do are OP.

The bigger point is if Templars had Death Stroke y'all would say that it's weak cause it hits on one person and that Nightblades do the same damage with Sweep but to more people.

I play both Templars and Nightblades. Soul Harvest is far, far, far superior to Radial Sweep or Crescent Sweep. I won't necessarily say it's better than Empowering Sweep, but that's only because Empowering Sweep is good for a tank.

Soul Harvest is by far the most spammable ultimate in the game (it's the lowest cost ultimate in the game and it passively increases your ultimate generation), and it significantly reduces the time to kill your target by increasing your damage against them and giving them a healing debuff. My Nightblades always run it on one bar.

I use Incapacitating Strikes for the low health knock back. Far better I'm not saying that it's weak both Morphs are great.
But when have Templars with 3k weapon damage using an AoE Ultimate say that people with a single target ultimate with 4.2k damage hit harder it's like yea duh.

My Templar hits for 8k plus the DoT Death Stroke hits hard but it's hit or miss and single target so when fight more then one person it needs to hit.
Yes the healing debuff and damage buff for six seconds is great but hitting more people is better.

Can't say she Nightblades have weak Ultimates Veil Sucks but Soul Tether and Death Stroke are awesome. With a straight DPS build my Sweep is just sick.

UrQuan

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

You have to be trolling. Soul Harvest is one of the sickest ultimates in the game. Radial Sweep is so pale in comparison.

No the fact that I put 4.3k weapon damage behind an ultimate makes it great this can be done with any class as Nightblade have no buffs that others can't get.

My Sweep hits like a Dump Truck but 4.3 damage on my Stamina Templar too the ultimate is not bad doing the Damage of Soul Havest to Six people at once is OP just because you don't stack pure damage on your Templar don't give you the right to say that those classes that do are OP.

The bigger point is if Templars had Death Stroke y'all would say that it's weak cause it hits on one person and that Nightblades do the same damage with Sweep but to more people.

I play both Templars and Nightblades. Soul Harvest is far, far, far superior to Radial Sweep or Crescent Sweep. I won't necessarily say it's better than Empowering Sweep, but that's only because Empowering Sweep is good for a tank.

Soul Harvest is by far the most spammable ultimate in the game (it's the lowest cost ultimate in the game and it passively increases your ultimate generation), and it significantly reduces the time to kill your target by increasing your damage against them and giving them a healing debuff. My Nightblades always run it on one bar.

I use Incapacitating Strikes for the low health knock back. Far better I'm not saying that it's weak both Morphs are great.
But when have Templars with 3k weapon damage using an AoE Ultimate say that people with a single target ultimate with 4.2k damage hit harder it's like yea duh.

My Templar hits for 8k plus the DoT Death Stroke hits hard but it's hit or miss and single target so when fight more then one person it needs to hit.
Yes the healing debuff and damage buff for six seconds is great but hitting more people is better.

Can't say she Nightblades have weak Ultimates Veil Sucks but Soul Tether and Death Stroke are awesome. With a straight DPS build my Sweep is just sick.

And now you're saying Veil sucks? OK, I literally can't take anything you say seriously.

leepalmer95

UrQuan wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

You have to be trolling. Soul Harvest is one of the sickest ultimates in the game. Radial Sweep is so pale in comparison.

No the fact that I put 4.3k weapon damage behind an ultimate makes it great this can be done with any class as Nightblade have no buffs that others can't get.

My Sweep hits like a Dump Truck but 4.3 damage on my Stamina Templar too the ultimate is not bad doing the Damage of Soul Havest to Six people at once is OP just because you don't stack pure damage on your Templar don't give you the right to say that those classes that do are OP.

The bigger point is if Templars had Death Stroke y'all would say that it's weak cause it hits on one person and that Nightblades do the same damage with Sweep but to more people.

I play both Templars and Nightblades. Soul Harvest is far, far, far superior to Radial Sweep or Crescent Sweep. I won't necessarily say it's better than Empowering Sweep, but that's only because Empowering Sweep is good for a tank.

Soul Harvest is by far the most spammable ultimate in the game (it's the lowest cost ultimate in the game and it passively increases your ultimate generation), and it significantly reduces the time to kill your target by increasing your damage against them and giving them a healing debuff. My Nightblades always run it on one bar.

I use Incapacitating Strikes for the low health knock back. Far better I'm not saying that it's weak both Morphs are great.
But when have Templars with 3k weapon damage using an AoE Ultimate say that people with a single target ultimate with 4.2k damage hit harder it's like yea duh.

My Templar hits for 8k plus the DoT Death Stroke hits hard but it's hit or miss and single target so when fight more then one person it needs to hit.
Yes the healing debuff and damage buff for six seconds is great but hitting more people is better.

Can't say she Nightblades have weak Ultimates Veil Sucks but Soul Tether and Death Stroke are awesome. With a straight DPS build my Sweep is just sick.

And now you're saying Veil sucks? OK, I literally can't take anything you say seriously.

Me neither, not sure how your even comparing radical to soul harvest....

You know dawnbreaker has higher dmg, higher dot and 60% more to undead and daedra. Thats unmorphed.

Flawless has 8% wpn dmg passive, and smiting has even more initial + dot dmg and a knockdown.

Shelgon

leepalmer95 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

The skill is weak relative to other ultimates.

I'm willing to listen. Can you provide some numbers to bench against? Are there control factors? To which other ults is sweep being compared, soul harvest, dragon leap, overload? I'm just trying to gauge the imbalance - not discredit the subject.

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

My main is a Nightblade I would rather have Radial Sweep it does all the damage of Soul Harvest with the first hit plus DoTs but it does it to multiple targets at once for just 25 more ultimate.

I would love to switch Ultimates it would add a DoT to my burst.

You have to be trolling. Soul Harvest is one of the sickest ultimates in the game. Radial Sweep is so pale in comparison.

No the fact that I put 4.3k weapon damage behind an ultimate makes it great this can be done with any class as Nightblade have no buffs that others can't get.

My Sweep hits like a Dump Truck but 4.3 damage on my Stamina Templar too the ultimate is not bad doing the Damage of Soul Havest to Six people at once is OP just because you don't stack pure damage on your Templar don't give you the right to say that those classes that do are OP.

The bigger point is if Templars had Death Stroke y'all would say that it's weak cause it hits on one person and that Nightblades do the same damage with Sweep but to more people.

I play both Templars and Nightblades. Soul Harvest is far, far, far superior to Radial Sweep or Crescent Sweep. I won't necessarily say it's better than Empowering Sweep, but that's only because Empowering Sweep is good for a tank.

Soul Harvest is by far the most spammable ultimate in the game (it's the lowest cost ultimate in the game and it passively increases your ultimate generation), and it significantly reduces the time to kill your target by increasing your damage against them and giving them a healing debuff. My Nightblades always run it on one bar.

I use Incapacitating Strikes for the low health knock back. Far better I'm not saying that it's weak both Morphs are great.
But when have Templars with 3k weapon damage using an AoE Ultimate say that people with a single target ultimate with 4.2k damage hit harder it's like yea duh.

My Templar hits for 8k plus the DoT Death Stroke hits hard but it's hit or miss and single target so when fight more then one person it needs to hit.
Yes the healing debuff and damage buff for six seconds is great but hitting more people is better.

Can't say she Nightblades have weak Ultimates Veil Sucks but Soul Tether and Death Stroke are awesome. With a straight DPS build my Sweep is just sick.

And now you're saying Veil sucks? OK, I literally can't take anything you say seriously.

Me neither, not sure how your even comparing radical to soul harvest....

You know dawnbreaker has higher dmg, higher dot and 60% more to undead and daedra. Thats unmorphed.

Flawless has 8% wpn dmg passive, and smiting has even more initial + dot dmg and a knockdown.

yep, templars are literally just better off going dawnbreaker and meteor, I say "and meteor" because unless you have a friend there to synergize your nova, it's pretty much useless in pvp as well, whereas dk standard can be used as a burst dps/heal/tank mode, and it's pretty much the same thing as nova.

Faulgor

UrQuan wrote: »

Empowering Sweep is a highly useful utility ultimate for a tank. With the low ultimate cost you can keep the damage mitigation going for the majority of a long fight, and if you've got a lot of enemies on you it can be a lot of mitigation.

The base skill and the Crescent Sweep morph are underwhelming at best.

Jup. Which is why I would give Crescent Sweep a similar buff but for offense. The ultimate is clearly not for pure damage, as the cost is too low to justify Meteor-like damage.

I'd suggest to increase Critical Damage by 40% for x seconds, each enemy hit adds 4%. Would synergize well with the Piercing Spear passive.

Dexter411

Faulgor wrote: »

I'd suggest to increase Critical Damage by 40% for x seconds, each enemy hit adds 4%. Would synergize well with the Piercing Spear passive.

Oh yeah. And at the same day you get more posts "how OP templars are" then all those whinning posts from 2016.
You want balanced gameplay or you just want something to be "OP" because you play it?
Make it physical damage, increase cost to 100 or 125 and increase radius by 1 or 2 m.

danno8

Problem with Crescent Sweep is that it is outclassed by Dawnbreaker. Dawnbreaker does about 10% more damage on both the initial hit and DoT, however Crescent can proc Burning light, so I think damage wise they are around the same. But the DoT for Crescent is a PBAoE, whereas Dawnbreaker sticks to the enemy after it hits. It could be purged but generally in most situation (PvE for sure) Dawnbreaker is better.

The biggest difference is that Dawnbreaker does more damage (60%!!) to undead. That is just huge. Crescent has no extra "cool" attached to it.

Empowering is good. I might actually lower the cost to 50-60 just so a tank can have the 15% DR up all the time. That or allow the DoT pulse to refresh the DR duration, again so it can be up all the time.

Cinbri

danno8 wrote: »

Empowering is good. I might actually lower the cost to 50-60 just so a tank can have the 15% DR up all the time.

Nope, it not. Ultimate according ZOS - is super cool and expinsive thing that should be used rarely to give huge advantage. Making ES like dk's Choking Talons, i.e. like a simple skill, is bad idea [we shouldn't use Ult points to achieve something that other classes achieve by simply spamming skills]. Giving templars skill with DR buff like dks one is far viable option (15% DR inside Restoring Focus?).

Joy_Division

Radial Sweep and both of its morphs are regular abilities masquerading as ultimates. The range is too short, it often misses targets supposedly in range as it is, and does not offer the burst that is needed in Cyrodiil (especially something Templars need). I get that empowering let's you be a bit tankier for 8 seconds - providing it actually hits the enemies which is no guarantee - but since when is it acceptable for an ultimate that might make you a bit tankier for a short time? If it's going to be a tank ultiamte, it should actually always provide dependable and solid mitagation.

Dawnbreaker is such a better option for 90% of tempars in 90% of situations.

danno8

Cinbri wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Empowering is good. I might actually lower the cost to 50-60 just so a tank can have the 15% DR up all the time.

Nope, it not. Ultimate according ZOS - is super cool and expinsive thing that should be used rarely to give huge advantage. Making ES like dk's Choking Talons, i.e. like a simple skill, is bad idea [we shouldn't use Ult points to achieve something that other classes achieve by simply spamming skills]. Giving templars skill with DR buff like dks one is far viable option (15% DR inside Restoring Focus?).

I personally have disregarded what ZoS has says ultimates are suppose to be, in the same way I disregard the whole "play as you want" thing as nothing but a tried and failed mechanic.

One thing to keep in mind is Empowering does not require you to hit a target to get the damage reduction. Also you get more DR the more enemies you do hit, and I assume it can stack with major/minor maim (the Chocking Talons debuff), if Templars actually had any way to apply that debuff. So the DR portion of Empowering is in everyway better than the DR portion of Choking Talons.

Choking Talons also does not do near as much damage as Empowering (about half the initial damage and no DoT).

So not exactly an apples to apples comparison, although I do agree it does not fit into the definition of a game-changer Ultimate.

edit: Forgot to add, one thing that absolutely must be changed is the radius of both these skills. 5m is just way too small to hit anything reliably. At least 6m (same range as Impulse), 7m would be even better. Since mobs in this game have collision detection it makes it much harder to hit anything that has less than 6m radius.

Autolycus

Shelgon wrote: »

My Radial Sweep hits for 5-7k on the initial hit, and about 2-4k on the AoE DoT, I'm a stam build and 4.2k weapon damage. My friends Stam NB build running 3.5k damage hits 7-10k soul harvests, and DK's running 3.5-3.7k weapon damage can still hit 13-16k leaps. I've been hit by 13k overloads by a mag sorc, and against a full damage dk, a 18.7k leap. Radial sweep is literally the worst ultimate in the game relative to other ultimates, its not bad, just the worst of its peers.

Thanks for providing some numbers to bench against. I think you're right, radial sweep would benefit from a buff. I think the suggestion to increase it's radius is also a good idea. But you're right, relative to other ultimates (especially dragon leap) it does feel pretty underpowered.

UrQuan wrote: »

Empowering Sweep is a highly useful utility ultimate for a tank. With the low ultimate cost you can keep the damage mitigation going for the majority of a long fight, and if you've got a lot of enemies on you it can be a lot of mitigation..

I really like using sweep in this capacity. I think it's a great example of inter-class synergy, and adds a bit of unique flavor to the Templar class.

Mumyo

The 15% damage mitigation is what dk and nb have on normal attacks.... for a much longer overall duration.