Discuss: Abilities that bring you out of Hidden (PVP)

Kammakazi

Why is it that half of the abilities in the game are able to be activated whilst in hidden and others cannot?
The problem with this is that Stamina based classes are able to buff themselves up in stealth whereas Magicka classes cannot. Although this isn't a Stamina vs Magicka issue, it's just why not make all abilities be castable in hidden or make all abilities not castable in hidden?

Here's a comparison

Stays in hidden:
Anulment
Momentum
Vigor
Reflective Scales
Magelight
Molten Weapons
Defensive Posture
Evasion
Expert Hunter
Proximity Detonation
Immovable(?)
Bound Armor
Surge
Blur
Grim Focus
Mark Target
Siphoning Strikes
Sun Shield(?)

Brings out of hidden:
Inferno(?)
Spiked Armor
Dragon Blood
Obsidian Shield
Unstable Familiar(?)
Summon Winged Twilight(?)
Conjured Ward
Encase
Rune Prison
Dark Exchange
Daedric Mines
Lightning Form
Path of Darkness
Aspect of Terror
Summon Shade
Drain Power
Rushed Ceremony
Healing Ritual
Restoring Aura
Cleansing Ritual
Rune Focus
Blade Cloak
Grand Healing
Regeneration
Blessing of Protection
Steadfast Ward
Circle of Protection
Trap Beast
Fire Rune
Equilibrium(?)
Blood Altar(?)
Bone Shield(?)
Rapid Maneuver
Siege Shield
Purge
Revealing Flare

Vangy

Hmmm,

The way I see it some skills are inconsistent but not everything you listed above. Imo things that only buff (rally,surge etc etc) u should be able to be casted in stealth. Things like vigor/summoning pets or putting some Aoe on the ground should bring you out of stealth cos they affect more than just you.

Because it just kinda makes sense no? Like if u shoot a big ball of light (flare) it would reveal your location yes?

davey1107

That's a great list...kudos...must have taken some effort.

Do you have an issue with any specific one? When they're together like that, the intent becomes clearer. Abilities that get you prepped mostly keep you hidden, where damage-dealing abilities do not.

The discussion I see most is the healing (vigor, rally). I get why this irks some players, but I'm sure ZOS beta tested both ways and determined it works better as a sneak-keeper. If you think about it, rally lasts 33 seconds. If it broke sneak, I'd still use it, but like I use retreating maneuvers...duck behind cover, then sneak and still enjoy the benefits in sneak. If they nerfed it, it wouldn't be the end of the world, and it wouldn't really change much for me.

In fact, it might even make gameplay worse. If rally broke sneak, I predict what you'd end up with is a character proofing in and out for a half second then relocating. If enemies missed that, it changes nothing compared to the current play style. But if someone notices the sneaker, the whole Zerg might go running all over like crazy. That sounds fun at first, but it could create obnoxiously confusing battles.

I'd like to see some sorc abilities retain sneak...this class is overpowered in some ways, but encouraging sneak could be cool.

Cathexis

Dark Exchange shouldn't bring you out of stealth even tho it does.

Immovable doesn't.

Alucardo

I like how there's a question mark next to inferno. No one gives a crap about that skill to even test it out xD