EP are really weak in pvp

pod88kk

The last few times I've been playing PvP with EP groups we've been getting steam rolled, barely able to hold a resource let alone a keep. I'm Vet 10 and got wrecked by a blue lvl38 I was 1v1ing with 4 moves, I'll admit I'm not the most skilled played but it should have been no contest.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Ever heard of battle scaling? that lvl 38 had stats just as high as yours because of it and for all you know he could of had 501 CP gained from another character and could of been a highly skilled veteran just using an alt.

pod88kk

I've never heard of that I mainly play pve and I'm on my first character.

Gilvoth

yep, i have seen this for a while now.
even a few months ago i remember hearing in zone chat people saying
"why is DC hitting soo HARD with thier damage?"
no one answered., in addition to that, as soon as any DC get near us people massive lagg out and or crash.

i have come to the belief that something is wrong with the DC alliance in technical terms, and not about anything they did, but something server side of eso. and yes im being serious.

pod88kk

Yeah you're not the first person I've heard saying that.
In one instance there was my group of around 20 and a DC group of 3 maybe 5 players battling for a resource and we couldn't seem to make a dent in their health let alone kill them meanwhile they were using similar attacks and we were dropping like flies, battle scaling and champion points are one thing but this is ridiculous

DannyLV702

pod88kk wrote: »

The last few times I've been playing PvP with EP groups we've been getting steam rolled, barely able to hold a resource let alone a keep. I'm Vet 10 and got wrecked by a blue lvl38 I was 1v1ing with 4 moves, I'll admit I'm not the most skilled played but it should have been no contest.

That's because you're in a group of noobies running against players who know exactly what they are doing, and therefore can afford to run in small man groups.

dem0n1k

When you say "EP" you are really just referring to a bunch of loners or PUGs in a particular server at a particular time. I have seen similar where EP have had perhaps 2x the numbers of the attacking faction but still got wiped ... it's because they don't co-operate very well. On the flipside I have seen EP guild zergs totally demolish larger enemy faction zergs.

I doubt very much it is faction based. It's the players & how well they co-operate in a zerg.

pod88kk

What is this zerg you speak of?

CamBam370

pod88kk wrote: »

What is this zerg you speak of?

It is a group of about 20+ people. Depends on the person
- Major group

dem0n1k

pod88kk wrote: »

What is this zerg you speak of?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66L2vigu4pQ

CamBam370

I would like to point out some ep are not crap in pvp

Totalitarian

What I was told (I play for AD) is that a lot of EP have moved on with the game, and are either doing other things with their lives, or playing other video games. I was also told that a lot of the big EP PVP guilds are trying to maintain a presence over multiple servers instead of just one.

Necrelios

I wouldn't say they are really weak. Some days are bad, true, but they do get better. You may have been running with some new recruits just learning the ropes and going up against more experienced players with lots of Champion Points. Sometimes it's just good timing and a little bit of luck.

pod88kk

A lot of people I used to play with have moved to different games eg fallout. The big towns and cities genuinely feel emptier

Alucardo

pod88kk wrote: »

A lot of people I used to play with have moved to different games eg fallout. The big towns and cities genuinely feel emptier

Cool story bro

Lysette

You don't "move" to fallout - I play fallout as well and that does not mean I would be moving. Fallout is single player and it is still relatively new, so it is no wonder when they spend more time on this for a while. They will be back after a while.

James-Wayne

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

yep, i have seen this for a while now.
even a few months ago i remember hearing in zone chat people saying
"why is DC hitting soo HARD with thier damage?"
no one answered., in addition to that, as soon as any DC get near us people massive lagg out and or crash.

i have come to the belief that something is wrong with the DC alliance in technical terms, and not about anything they did, but something server side of eso. and yes im being serious.

It's funny you say that because I'm DC and have the same issue when we're attacking AD, massive amounts of lag. It may depend on the alliance numbers currently in the game at the time.

TheBonesXXX

EP got the short end of the stick one too many times and the numbers are low, there just aren't very many PvPers left.

Junkogen

Are we talking PC or console?

Also, no one wants to say passives make a difference, but they do. EP just happens to have the weakest racial passives. Coincidence? I think not.

Mettaricana

Shots fired!


But seriously on ps4 bout once or twice a day a few squads half of the size of the ad zerg fest retake whatever campaign they own then we back off let em take it back then beat the ap out of them again.

charisma316

Necrelios wrote: »

I wouldn't say they are really weak. Some days are bad, true, but they do get better. You may have been running with some new recruits just learning the ropes and going up against more experienced players with lots of Champion Points. Sometimes it's just good timing and a little bit of luck.

that map shows they had the pop\uilation advantage at the time does nothing to prove the skill

EB is the weakest faction skill wise the majority of EB are lil kids and people who are new to the elder scrolls series people who are new or played skyrim median EB age is about 12

AD is your uber nerdy hardcore gamer type usually thinking they are alot better than they are they are the epitome of the weeble wobble Warcraft Guy from south park who thinks hes so cool owning all the internet kids and feels his video game strenght actually makes him cool in real life Median Age 45 yet still living in mothers basement

itscompton

People who generalize that a certain faction attracts a certain type of person/player are full of crap.

Sharee

itscompton wrote: »

People who generalize that a certain faction attracts a certain type of person/player are full of crap.

All the people who have characters in multiple factions suddenly forget how to PvP as soon as they log onto their EP toons.

Fact.

Lysette

Junkogen wrote: »

Are we talking PC or console?

Also, no one wants to say passives make a difference, but they do. EP just happens to have the weakest racial passives. Coincidence? I think not.

The weakest passives? seriously? Argionians with their potion passives and overall resistances, Nord with their health and tank boni, Dunmer with their aggressive capabilities and their buffs for both magicka and stamina - where is this weak?

TequilaFire

Amusing thread.

Junkogen

Lysette wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Are we talking PC or console?

Also, no one wants to say passives make a difference, but they do. EP just happens to have the weakest racial passives. Coincidence? I think not.

The weakest passives? seriously? Argionians with their potion passives and overall resistances, Nord with their health and tank boni, Dunmer with their aggressive capabilities and their buffs for both magicka and stamina - where is this weak?

Are you kidding me? Show me any build that recommends Argonians or Nords as top choices. Argonian passive are deplorable. Nord passives aren't bad, but the meta is about damage. The other factions have the monopoly on those builds. Argonians are the worst choice for any build. Nords are only great for tanking. Other races with max stat increases and high regen are more versatile and work well with a variety of builds. Nords and Argonians are never top choices for builds.

People wonder why DC hits so hard. It's because they're min/maxed damage-wise. Redguards, Bretons, and Orcs are top choices for their respective max stats. Bretons make great magicka builds. Redguards are stamina powerhouses and Orcs are a great tanky/burst damage race. As for the Pact, Dunmer make great Dragonknights, which are suffering from all the nerfs. Yes, it's true, EP has the weakest racial passives in the game as it is now. I think that has some effect, no matter how small. Add all those small advantages up and it makes a difference. It's like interest on loans. It seems like a small amount, but over time, on a larger scale, it's significant. That's my theory anyway.

Xellos77

A skilled lvl 38 player can demolish a newbie V16 in Cyrodiil. Champion points also play a part.

As far as racial passives are concerned, Argonians are deplorable. Play them for the RP if that's what your after. For the meta, don't touch them for any reason.

Lysette

Actually this PvP-oriented view on this makes me sick - there is no creativity at all in this PvP oriented view, you could as well play in any other MMO and it would not make a difference, because it would for you as well just be about damage dealer, healer and tank. For you PvP people the world looks always in the same way, regardless which world it is. You are limiting yourself this way, these races have abilities, which can be used in different ways than just your narrow-sighted "meta".

But I am not going to explain this yet, it will not get through to you anyway, you are stuck in your holy trinity world.

Junkogen

Lysette wrote: »

Actually this PvP-oriented view on this makes me sick - there is no creativity at all in this PvP oriented view, you could as well play in any other MMO and it would not make a difference, because it would for you as well just be about damage dealer, healer and tank. For you PvP people the world looks always in the same way, regardless which world it is. You are limiting yourself this way, these races have abilities, which can be used in different ways than just your narrow-sighted "meta".

But I am not going to explain this yet, it will not get through to you anyway, you are stuck in your holy trinity world.

Argonians are bad any way you slice it. How much disease and poison damage do you see in the game? How much swimming is there? How many times can you use a potion? Once every 45 seconds. How much time does it take to restock all those potions if you're chain chugging them? Healing received? If you have higher max stats your spell hit harder this giving you more healing received plus more stats to spend on other things. PvP, PvE, whatever, Argonian passives are seriously weak when compared to every other race.

Xellos77

Lysette wrote: »

Actually this PvP-oriented view on this makes me sick - there is no creativity at all in this PvP oriented view, you could as well play in any other MMO and it would not make a difference, because it would for you as well just be about damage dealer, healer and tank. For you PvP people the world looks always in the same way, regardless which world it is. You are limiting yourself this way, these races have abilities, which can be used in different ways than just your narrow-sighted "meta".

But I am not going to explain this yet, it will not get through to you anyway, you are stuck in your holy trinity world.

That's fine. Let's throw "meta" out of the window. Argonians are just bad, minus the poor racial passives. The only decent lore with this race are the Shadowscales.

Is this only an opinion? Yup. You're entitled to yours as I am to mine. For the record, I'm not a PvPer and actually am pretty bad at it. This view you speak of, "tank, dps or healer" is all it's about. Period. It's an MMO. That's what roles are. You can make a passable hybrid, sure. However, for group content these largely are not efficient enough to add anything to the format. Yes, there is a thin veneer of "make and play anything you want", but the fine print reads "for solo play only".

Xellos77

Lastly, as per my signature, anyone can see that although I play strictly EP, I only have one EP-based race; Dunmer. Just a personal choice because I don't like Argonians and Nords are merely "okay". I didn't choose EP for the meta, I chose it for my first character-a Dunmer (ES lore-wise, my favorite race). So, please don't preach to me about being a "meta-fiend".