Summon Shade - why do we need a target?

NobleNerd

Why does the Summon Shade need a target in order to cast it? Most of the time for me it locks up and I have to move my cross hairs over the target a second time to get it to cast. After casting it the shade will seek out the next target I attack, so why not let us just summon it without a target and then have the same control like the Daedric summons?

So many abilities seem to be having activation lag or lock ups lately. I really hope that this is majorly addressed with the Thieve's Guild patch!

hrothbern

A targeted ability cannot be casted without a target

An AOE around yourself, a cone, a self buff can be casted without a target. A ground AOE only after two clicks.

To your Summon Shade: would you rather have an untargeted Shade, that decides himself from which enemy you get the Minor Maim 15% damage debuff ?

I am quite happy that I am in control: if I target the big boss, I will get Minor Maim on that big Boss, and not on some trash mob nearby.

Lexxypwns

The honest answer is, shadow image not requiring a target would make NB have an un-counterable escape since you'd have no way of knowing it was even placed much less where. As it stands, a NB using shadow image right is *** hard to kill.

NobleNerd

hrothbern wrote: »

A targeted ability cannot be casted without a target

An AOE around yourself, a cone, a self buff can be casted without a target. A ground AOE only after two clicks.

To your Summon Shade: would you rather have an untargeted Shade, that decides himself from which enemy you get the Minor Maim 15% damage debuff ?

I am quite happy that I am in control: if I target the big boss, I will get Minor Maim on that big Boss, and not on some trash mob nearby.

When I kill the enemy that my shade is targeted on and attack another enemy it applies the debuff on the next, so that is not why we need to target it to cast it.

hrothbern

NobleNerd wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

A targeted ability cannot be casted without a target

An AOE around yourself, a cone, a self buff can be casted without a target. A ground AOE only after two clicks.

To your Summon Shade: would you rather have an untargeted Shade, that decides himself from which enemy you get the Minor Maim 15% damage debuff ?

I am quite happy that I am in control: if I target the big boss, I will get Minor Maim on that big Boss, and not on some trash mob nearby.

When I kill the enemy that my shade is targeted on and attack another enemy it applies the debuff on the next, so that is not why we need to target it to cast it.

The ability is made to lower the damage of a specific dangerous enemy with 15% (Minor Maim).

Against big bosses, in a group or solo, that is very valuable.

That the shades move on to the next enemy after the dangerous enemy is killed, is a secundary and beneficial effect.

Septimus_Magna

Mainly for pvp reasons I suspect, casting Shade without needing a target would make it easy for NBs to jump in the fight and teleport back to safety before dying.

tennant94

It would be nice if it required no target because it is very awkward to cast sometimes. Especially since its an ability you need to be quick to use. Also the range for me is way to short.

Jumper45

hrothbern wrote: »

A targeted ability cannot be casted without a target

An AOE around yourself, a cone, a self buff can be casted without a target. A ground AOE only after two clicks.

To your Summon Shade: would you rather have an untargeted Shade, that decides himself from which enemy you get the Minor Maim 15% damage debuff ?

I am quite happy that I am in control: if I target the big boss, I will get Minor Maim on that big Boss, and not on some trash mob nearby.

I think he means PBAOE that goes into assist mode and while you say you would like the boss to have it than trash then all you need to do is hit the boss which should happen anyways again before the duration of maim completes.

I also see no point why it would need a target. While it may seem simple it would have a big impact on the ability pretty much in theory making all your attacks cause maim vs them just sticking to 1 thing and reapplying over and over which is a waste.

And as for the teleporting morph. I also see no issue with this. People will say game breaking. I will say many other games use the same function and not have a game breaking situation. Like GW2 for example uses such an ability. I think as long as you are in LOS of the shade to teleport it should work just fine. The duration isnt that long.

Not to mention they already have access to the teleport shade. So it wouldn't change much more importantly for macro uses on PC would be unaffected.

NobleNerd

tennant94 wrote: »

It would be nice if it required no target because it is very awkward to cast sometimes. Especially since its an ability you need to be quick to use. Also the range for me is way to short.

This is more my point about the ability as it is right now..... awkward and clumsy.

OdinForge

It's kind of clunky with a forced target, but this also keeps it relatively grounded. If it didn't require a target, it would become way too easy to use this ability, and people would have an issue.

Though to be honest, I'd prefer better shade skill and less cloak from the class.