Hybrids?

Chrlynsch

So as of the current game build stacking one stat yields the greatest result, bigger shields, bigger damage, bigger heals. Hybrids have gone away since the removal of softcaps.

There are however some possible peices that have given me some ideas to help them come back to the game without reinstating softcaps/hardcase

-First off take health back to 1.5x instead of 1.2x

-Prismatic is nice, but let's add a prismatic jewelry enchants as well (reduce cost of stam by 150 and magic by 150) (increase weapon damage / spell damage by 125) (increase all regen by x) here you get less in one direction area but more stats improvement over all.

-Getting rid of 5 peice passive bonus from armor line... implement a per peice bonus instead.

-Double the constitution bonus or cut the time in half

-Add more sets like molog kena and black rose. These sets add both spell and weapon damage.

With these changes in place we can see new builds that combine elements from all areas trees instead of just having to focus on one direct stat to be viable.

Will single stat characters be the best at gawking, direct damage dealing, healing? You bet. But will hybrids be moved viable, interesting, and fun to play. You bet.

dday3six

Fundamentally the point is to have a different unqiue flavor as well as cost for choosing stamina or magicka. Being able to mix and match both too interchangeably obfuscates the playstyle difference between choosing one or the other while at the same time negating the cost of your choice.

Unless hybrid builds are the only viable route they will still fall behind builds that focus one stat or the other. I just don't see why the game needs to be overhauled to support an ultimately niche, and still falling behind build approach.

UltimaJoe777

Specializing in 1 or the other is fine, but it's not like hybrid builds suck lol I mean hell my DK is a hybrid and he completed the Fighter's Guild quest line at Lv21 or so.

Chrlynsch

dday3six wrote: »

Fundamentally the point is to have a different unqiue flavor as well as cost for choosing stamina or magicka. Being able to mix and match both too interchangeably obfuscates the playstyle difference between choosing one or the other while at the same time negating the cost of your choice.

Unless hybrid builds are the only viable route they will still fall behind builds that focus one stat or the other. I just don't see why the game needs to be overhauled to support an ultimately niche, and still falling behind build approach.

The items I suggested weren't really much of a overhaul, they changed health values with a blanket sweep before. They will be removing veteran ranks here and redoing all existing stats and armor so just make it part of this overhaul

This would ultimately allow MORE diversity, as many armor sets are not complete with jewelry/ weapons/armor. Thus nullifing many existing sets/combinations.

This would give us a chance to close the gap on these one stat wonders as hybrid offers you more stats overall. We won't be taking anything away from current optimal builds, but offering more possible options/ higher viability to other interesting builds is never a bad thing for game that allows you to play how you want to.

RapturousRex

I main a hybrid, I prefer it, having a stamina bar and a majicka bar gives me a slight advantage in some cases, provided I can switch in time. 6 levels to go, then I'll be looking to see if it's worth it in the long run.

I havn't really looked at armour, Black Rose and Molag Kena are two options I'll be looking into, currently running Lamae, eventually I'll be supplementing it with Alessia's Bulwark. I'm more interested in spell and physical resistance than boosting my existing stats, I enchant for that.

More options would be nice, and would help break the one build meta, and I do feel health needs a boost similar to Stamina and Majicka, maybe a Resistance boost.

CP5

Hybrid builds can't easily exist in a game where some skills scale in power based off of max resource size, and others scale off of max resource size depending on which is larger. As long as those two things are true you are more often than not, gimping yourself for not stacking heavily into one or the other. I feel that these other changes are just extensions on this issue.

Chrlynsch

CP5 wrote: »

Hybrid builds can't easily exist in a game where some skills scale in power based off of max resource size, and others scale off of max resource size depending on which is larger. As long as those two things are true you are more often than not, gimping yourself for not stacking heavily into one or the other. I feel that these other changes are just extensions on this issue.

Great points here @CP5

While it's true that maxing one resource does give you larger effects, but overall max spell/weapon damage pays off more. We currently don't have a way to run 3k+ weapon/spell damage builds yet. So viability can't be truly tested.

I personally feel that damage should come directly from our spell and weapon damage. Where larger pools of resources are good for burst and regen for longer sustained fights. Also thought there should always been a way to directly effect enemies resource pools (upcoming changes to seige niceee) or at least pools shouldn't effect them as drastically as they do at the moment.

TheShadowScout

I just wish putting points into attributes would have diminishing returns like things are in the champion system. Then two things would happen - for one, the "glass cannon" builds would die out, leading to less "one-shot-gank" kills in cyrodil, and people would be more inclined to hybridize their builds... but hey, that's me...

Shadesofkin

Eh, hybrid builds are fine as is and some of your suggestions seem to swing the pendulum the total opposite way making Hybrid the most efficient rather than just another build suggestion.

Sure they're not optimized, but neither is my Argonian Stamina DW Dragonknight...doesn't really matter to me.

DannyLV702

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Specializing in 1 or the other is fine, but it's not like hybrid builds suck lol I mean hell my DK is a hybrid and he completed the Fighter's Guild quest line at Lv21 or so.

Is that possible? I remember having to wait to reach a certain level before i could continue with the quest line.

Waffennacht

What constitutes as a hybrid? 50/50? If so, then yeah they wont do so well.

But does it have to be 50/50? Would a sorc with 35k to 40k magicka and 20k stam be considered a hybrid?

With the current Meta being CC my new sorc loves his bigger stam pool, but is he a hybrid? I dunno.

RapturousRex

Mine is 17/20/20

Need to bump my Majicka for dat dawnbreaker.

ralonasan

RapturousRex wrote: »

Mine is 17/20/20

Need to bump my Majicka for dat dawnbreaker.

pointless to do that. As ultimates scale based off your highest stat. You're actually decreasing your damage by doing that lol.

GreenSoup2HoT

Yeah i agree. More hybrid stuff please. It add's more interesting dynamic's to the game.

I'm fed up with how limited the game is right now. O wow, your a stamina class wearing 3 Agility, 5 Hunding rage with 1 Bloodspawn and Molag Kena.. i never would of guessed....

I really love seeing people rock tank or healer build's in pvp. They are the real MVP's.

Bring on the hybrid build's!

CP5

ralonasan wrote: »

RapturousRex wrote: »

Mine is 17/20/20

Need to bump my Majicka for dat dawnbreaker.

pointless to do that. As ultimates scale based off your highest stat. You're actually decreasing your damage by doing that lol.

Exactly this.

Lenikus

Prothwata wrote: »

-Getting rid of 5 peice passive bonus from armor line... implement a per peice bonus instead.

Kind of IS like that already, the 5+ piece bonus just works for the last 2 passives (out of 5). All others are single piece bonuses.

RapturousRex

ralonasan wrote: »

RapturousRex wrote: »

Mine is 17/20/20

Need to bump my Majicka for dat dawnbreaker.

pointless to do that. As ultimates scale based off your highest stat. You're actually decreasing your damage by doing that lol.

Helped me dodge a bullet there.

Jar_Ek

Prothwata wrote: »

So as of the current game build stacking one stat yields the greatest result, bigger shields, bigger damage, bigger heals. Hybrids have gone away since the removal of softcaps.

There are however some possible peices that have given me some ideas to help them come back to the game without reinstating softcaps/hardcase

-First off take health back to 1.5x instead of 1.2x

-Prismatic is nice, but let's add a prismatic jewelry enchants as well (reduce cost of stam by 150 and magic by 150) (increase weapon damage / spell damage by 125) (increase all regen by x) here you get less in one direction area but more stats improvement over all.

-Getting rid of 5 peice passive bonus from armor line... implement a per peice bonus instead.

-Double the constitution bonus or cut the time in half

-Add more sets like molog kena and black rose. These sets add both spell and weapon damage.

With these changes in place we can see new builds that combine elements from all areas trees instead of just having to focus on one direct stat to be viable.

Will single stat characters be the best at gawking, direct damage dealing, healing? You bet. But will hybrids be moved viable, interesting, and fun to play. You bet.

Actually i think this is a pretty reasonable idea as the current meta is stack magicka or stamina or go home. This would support health builds and hybrids, as they would not match the damage of stamina or magicka build but would have greater versatility instead.