Templar heavy armor

AGrz5585

So I have heard people say that heavy armor templar become more viable at around 400 champion points. Could anyone care to elaborate on this? Magicka or stamina? Allocation of points?


Thanks

OmniDevil

With that amount of CP, you would be able to throw enough into points into Magicka/Stamina Cost Reduction passives that Light/Medium armor tend to provide, however. In end-game group content, you would still have a difficult time managing resources. That, however, doesn't mean you can't make it work to your playstyle.

Another thing to consider is that, while Heavy armor provideds bonuses to health, armor, resistance, etc, it doesn't boost your damage or crit, like Medium or Light armor can as a DPS. It's for this reason, having 400 or the 501 CP cap is almost a must.

edorfeus

forget about heavy unless you wanna make health regen based build.
only viable option with heavy armor now it seems a DK build focused on health regen. prefereably nord, which gives you +30% racial health regen.

Ysval_Snow_Born

I tend to agree with you edorfeus. However, I am having pretty awesome success with a stamina templar build using only heavy armor. I have supplemented my stamina with enchants, CP passives, etc. One thing that I have been doing to make this build more viable is weaving in a healthy dose of heavy attacks to regain stamina. It still isn't ideal in a min/max way, but if you really like heavy armor (like me) you can adjust your playstyle accordingly and still be pretty viable to your group in harder content.

Akinos

edorfeus wrote: »

forget about heavy unless you wanna make health regen based build.
only viable option with heavy armor now it seems a DK build focused on health regen. prefereably nord, which gives you +30% racial health regen.

This guy...lol.
Heavy is great if you want it to be. Any class can be made viable using heavy. Do some research guys and you'll find theres already plenty of awesome heavy armor builds out there, that aren't heath regen based.

Cinbri

Akinos wrote: »

edorfeus wrote: »

forget about heavy unless you wanna make health regen based build.
only viable option with heavy armor now it seems a DK build focused on health regen. prefereably nord, which gives you +30% racial health regen.

This guy...lol.
Heavy is great if you want it to be. Any class can be made viable using heavy. Do some research guys and you'll find theres already plenty of awesome heavy armor builds out there, that aren't heath regen based.

Indeed. With smart CP investment and different setups you can either be very tanky or tanky enough with high damage.

edorfeus

Cinbri wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

edorfeus wrote: »

forget about heavy unless you wanna make health regen based build.
only viable option with heavy armor now it seems a DK build focused on health regen. prefereably nord, which gives you +30% racial health regen.

This guy...lol.
Heavy is great if you want it to be. Any class can be made viable using heavy. Do some research guys and you'll find theres already plenty of awesome heavy armor builds out there, that aren't heath regen based.

Indeed. With smart CP investment and different setups you can either be very tanky or tanky enough with high damage.

You MAY be tanky and do damage, considering you have 501 CP. If you don't... not so much.

edorfeus

Akinos wrote: »

edorfeus wrote: »

forget about heavy unless you wanna make health regen based build.
only viable option with heavy armor now it seems a DK build focused on health regen. prefereably nord, which gives you +30% racial health regen.

This guy...lol.
Heavy is great if you want it to be. Any class can be made viable using heavy. Do some research guys and you'll find theres already plenty of awesome heavy armor builds out there, that aren't heath regen based.

The thing is... you get passives for health regen in heavy, and nothing to boost your stamina, and when your stamina runs out you're basically become practice dummy, you can't roll dodge, you can't cc break, you can't use your stamina heals.
But in medium you have considerable regen boost, you get huge weapon dmg bonus which boosts your stamina heals as well, and you can roll around all you want.

Akinos

edorfeus wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

edorfeus wrote: »

forget about heavy unless you wanna make health regen based build.
only viable option with heavy armor now it seems a DK build focused on health regen. prefereably nord, which gives you +30% racial health regen.

This guy...lol.
Heavy is great if you want it to be. Any class can be made viable using heavy. Do some research guys and you'll find theres already plenty of awesome heavy armor builds out there, that aren't heath regen based.

The thing is... you get passives for health regen in heavy, and nothing to boost your stamina, and when your stamina runs out you're basically become practice dummy, you can't roll dodge, you can't cc break, you can't use your stamina heals.
But in medium you have considerable regen boost, you get huge weapon dmg bonus which boosts your stamina heals as well, and you can roll around all you want.

Same goes for magicka templars in light, we have stamina issues too. The thread wasn't about stamina templars though, it's about viability of heavy armor on a templar, regardless of being stamina or magicka. Heavy is viable, on both stamina and magicka templars.

To answer the OP's question, heavy stamina templars can work, there are stam builds out there that use heavy. But the best set up is for a heavy armor templar is with magicka.

Beruge

My character is a nord templar with:

5 heavy armor - law of julianos - reinforced
2 light armor - armor of seducer - impenetrable
1 r staff - armor of seducer - precise
2 daggers - armor of seducer- precise
1 amulet and 2 rings of willpower, alternate amulet of molag kena.

thief mundus stone for crit.

this is my basic idea for this:

reduced damaged from templar passives, increased healing recieved by from rapid mending. Reduced stamina cost of blocking, also reduce damage taken while blocking. R staff passive restores magicka while blocking spells.

Heavy armor makes me survive longer, meaning i can stand in the line of fire while using healing springs wich restores my magicka. radiant aura increases regen to H/M/S by 10% without being used, further increase for H/S while being active.

Magelight for increased spell crit, reduced stealth damage taken to me a group and also spots stealthers faster.
Rememberance as ultimate when using r staff for passives, at the same time as i can take a beating from nord passives and increased healing and protection from heavy armor.

Rapid regenerations for further survivability.

reflective light for dot + increased spell crit.

often i use blazing spear to restore first liners stamina on pickup and make the enemies stare at the floor.


To be honest this works out great for me.

Akinos

Beruge wrote: »

My character is a nord templar with:

5 heavy armor - law of julianos - reinforced
2 light armor - armor of seducer - impenetrable
1 r staff - armor of seducer - precise
2 daggers - armor of seducer- precise
1 amulet and 2 rings of willpower, alternate amulet of molag kena.

thief mundus stone for crit.

this is my basic idea for this:

reduced damaged from templar passives, increased healing recieved by from rapid mending. Reduced stamina cost of blocking, also reduce damage taken while blocking. R staff passive restores magicka while blocking spells.

Heavy armor makes me survive longer, meaning i can stand in the line of fire while using healing springs wich restores my magicka. radiant aura increases regen to H/M/S by 10% without being used, further increase for H/S while being active.

Magelight for increased spell crit, reduced stealth damage taken to me a group and also spots stealthers faster.
Rememberance as ultimate when using r staff for passives, at the same time as i can take a beating from nord passives and increased healing and protection from heavy armor.

Rapid regenerations for further survivability.

reflective light for dot + increased spell crit.

often i use blazing spear to restore first liners stamina on pickup and make the enemies stare at the floor.


To be honest this works out great for me.

That actually sounds like a pretty solid build :O

americansteel

i wasted my time with a heavy magik templar, no recovery no spell erosion. 5l 2h dual wield for spell bonus, i now tear players a new ass in pvp. even tried a heavy stamplar, no more. in PvE fine i wont recommend a heavy armor templar in PvP.
.

Mumyo

americansteel wrote: »

i wasted my time with a heavy magik templar, no recovery no spell erosion. 5l 2h dual wield for spell bonus, i now tear players a new ass in pvp. even tried a heavy stamplar, no more. in PvE fine i wont recommend a heavy armor templar in PvP.
.

Actually channeled focus is pretty nice for magickaregen, gives u 400 magickaregen. Magickatemplar shouldnt be bad in heavy, but is mostly designed for group play.

Beruge

Akinos wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

That actually sounds like a pretty solid build :O

Thank you