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Digerati
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Leveling a new character has left me incredibly frustrated with the battle scaling...
At VR1, I was able to charge a resource and take it solo. At VR4 I can't last 5 seconds being focused...
I understand wanting to push people to keep their gear updated but that kind of power drop is insane. Going from clearing IC rooms quickly and easily to having to pace yourself and cautiously pull mobs is an unacceptable consequence of leveling up.
You hear about it all the time, people rolling new characters to be super-powered in Cyrodiil... Why are my level 20s my most powerful characters? That doesn't make any damn sense. I could see new players being totally turned off by this. It gets increasingly more difficult and costly to keep your gear up-to-date while the necessity of keeping your gear up to date also goes up... So, your power level is drained by your levels, invariably.
One quick fix (albeit not thought totally through), which would remain consistent, would be to do a flat increase per level.. To keep higher levels higher... For example let's assume 1000 is the base for weapon damage. Regardless of the weapon you are holding and regardless of your level, scale it to 1000+itemlevel. So, a level 10 holding a level 10 sword would have 1010 damage on that sword. A level 49 holding a level 10 sword would also have 1010. A level 49 holding a level 49 sword would have 1049. This would give a minor reward for leveling up, rather than our current system which punishes you for leveling up. Leveling up grants you the benefit of being able to equip better gear that is genuinely better while keeping low and high levels on a generally level playing field...
I'm really confused as to how this system made it to live and who signed off on the idea of punishing players for leveling...
What do you think can be done?
At VR1, I was able to charge a resource and take it solo. At VR4 I can't last 5 seconds being focused...
I understand wanting to push people to keep their gear updated but that kind of power drop is insane. Going from clearing IC rooms quickly and easily to having to pace yourself and cautiously pull mobs is an unacceptable consequence of leveling up.
You hear about it all the time, people rolling new characters to be super-powered in Cyrodiil... Why are my level 20s my most powerful characters? That doesn't make any damn sense. I could see new players being totally turned off by this. It gets increasingly more difficult and costly to keep your gear up-to-date while the necessity of keeping your gear up to date also goes up... So, your power level is drained by your levels, invariably.
One quick fix (albeit not thought totally through), which would remain consistent, would be to do a flat increase per level.. To keep higher levels higher... For example let's assume 1000 is the base for weapon damage. Regardless of the weapon you are holding and regardless of your level, scale it to 1000+itemlevel. So, a level 10 holding a level 10 sword would have 1010 damage on that sword. A level 49 holding a level 10 sword would also have 1010. A level 49 holding a level 49 sword would have 1049. This would give a minor reward for leveling up, rather than our current system which punishes you for leveling up. Leveling up grants you the benefit of being able to equip better gear that is genuinely better while keeping low and high levels on a generally level playing field...
I'm really confused as to how this system made it to live and who signed off on the idea of punishing players for leveling...
What do you think can be done?
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Your battle leveled too v15, your stats are the same being vet 1 and vet 4.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Your battle leveled too v15, your stats are the same being vet 1 and vet 4.
No, not really. Each time you level your stats drop rather significantly, so to maintain that scaled VR15 level you need to update your gear every time you level up.1 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Your battle leveled too v15, your stats are the same being vet 1 and vet 4.
False comment. You're absolutely wrong.
I had 39,000 stamina at level 20. I have 29,000 at VR4. Do some fact checking.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Your battle leveled too v15, your stats are the same being vet 1 and vet 4.
No, not really. Each time you level your stats drop rather significantly, so to maintain that scaled VR15 level you need to update your gear every time you level up.
Oh well that makes more sense, if your want to stay strong then update your gear.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Digerati✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Your battle leveled too v15, your stats are the same being vet 1 and vet 4.
No, not really. Each time you level your stats drop rather significantly, so to maintain that scaled VR15 level you need to update your gear every time you level up.
Oh well that makes more sense, if your want to stay strong then update your gear.
You seem to gave completely missed the point and that's really annoying... Is the ps4 server down or something?0 -
Sharkano✭✭✭✭This is just a damning indictment of their system, and why VR16's complain and ZOS refuses to answer. Guys who are lower levels should not have these kind of absurd stats.1
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Digerati✭✭✭✭Yeah pretty disheartening to hit my peak in the 20s... Really, I had 19k physical resist, 39000 stamina, and 25k health... Now I've gotta scramble for gear every few levels to maintain 30k stamina, 20k health, and 17k physical resist... my most powerful character, by an absurd degree, is my low level nb1
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✭If he's wearing the same gear at VR1 and VR4 he's going to take a huge hit, with the new battle leveling gear matters.
I'm guessing since he didn't mention it. At VR4 he is still in his VR1 gear and doesn't want to craft upgraded gear every few levels because of the the upgrade costs.
I like the battle leveling, I like that gear at skill point allocation and quality of gear and enchants matter.
For those people who don't push through to v16 in a week it's a nice addition.
I'm not real sorry at vr4 you can't solo a resource or pull every add Ina sewer room.Edited by acw37162 on December 13, 2015 4:25PM2 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭If he's wearing the same gear at VR1 and VR4 he's going to take a huge hit, with the new battle leveling gear matters.
I'm guessing since he didn't mention it. At VR4 he is still in his VR1 gear and doesn't want to craft upgraded gear every few levels because of the the upgrade costs.
I like the battle leveling, I like that gear at skill point allocation and quality of gear and enchants matter.
For those people who don't push through to v16 in a week it's a nice addition.
I'm not real sorry at vr4 you can't solo a resource or pull every add Ina sewer room.
Actually I crafted a new suit at vr3. The issue is that the higher you get, the more expensive your gear is and the higher your gear expectations are. So INVARIABLY, the result of your levels is a diminished power level.
It is not a personal problem, regardless of what I personally do, progression is still backwards.
The only numbers that go up with levels is how much it costs to gear up and retain decent numbers.0 -
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✭If he's wearing the same gear at VR1 and VR4 he's going to take a huge hit, with the new battle leveling gear matters.
I'm guessing since he didn't mention it. At VR4 he is still in his VR1 gear and doesn't want to craft upgraded gear every few levels because of the the upgrade costs.
I like the battle leveling, I like that gear at skill point allocation and quality of gear and enchants matter.
For those people who don't push through to v16 in a week it's a nice addition.
I'm not real sorry at vr4 you can't solo a resource or pull every add Ina sewer room.
Exactly. As you level you need to upgrade your gear now a days. As you out level your gear it becomes less effective.Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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Digerati✭✭✭✭If he's wearing the same gear at VR1 and VR4 he's going to take a huge hit, with the new battle leveling gear matters.
I'm guessing since he didn't mention it. At VR4 he is still in his VR1 gear and doesn't want to craft upgraded gear every few levels because of the the upgrade costs.
I like the battle leveling, I like that gear at skill point allocation and quality of gear and enchants matter.
For those people who don't push through to v16 in a week it's a nice addition.
I'm not real sorry at vr4 you can't solo a resource or pull every add Ina sewer room.
Exactly. As you level you need to upgrade your gear now a days. As you out level your gear it becomes less effective.
As is actually pretty clear already... The issue is not that gear needs to be updated... It's that a level 25 in green level 24 gear with half of two sets has a large power advantage over a vr4 wearing crafted purple vr3 set...
The gear cost and the gear requirement goes up with level.
This isn't a complaint about my personal situation. My personal situation is irrelevant to the fact that there is a penalty for leveling up. I can provide personal details as evidence, but the evidence is not the issue.
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Catblade✭✭✭✭Op is right a lvl 10 in blue gear is more powerful than Vr4 in purple gear. How does that make sense? My templar at lvl ten had 44000 magika. My NB who is also a breton only had 36000 at VR16. Same gear setup exactly 5 kagrenacs 4 magus all magika enchants on both. Only differance is my NB is wearing vr16 willpower jewelry and should be significantly more powerful, yet hes not. My vr16 is in mainly gold gear minus one piece that's purple. The lvl ten in blue gear. Vr16 all gold enchantments, lvl ten all blue enchantmentsEdited by Catblade on December 13, 2015 5:58PM2 -
CaptainObvious✭✭✭✭This is the reason why systems shouldn't be reworked. People think it is a good idea and then reality sets in...
Just wait till vet level removal and gear scaling through CP becomes stupid.Due to a typo in the system, the area was accosted by the Daedric Prince Moar Lag Brawls.2 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭Yeah when I'm grinding on my low vet in cyrodiil, I log my level 15 nb in the corner... When I get ganked, I log in my enforcer, a level 15 in green and white gear... He ambushes and uppercuts and I've been able to win multiple 3v1 fights...
Progression is backwards.
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Catblade✭✭✭✭CaptainObvious wrote: »This is the reason why systems shouldn't be reworked. People think it is a good idea and then reality sets in...
Just wait till vet level removal and gear scaling through CP becomes stupid.
I've been saying this exact thing. It's sad people can't think beyond The initial system to when we will have to grind cp to equip gear. They chant "there's a catch up system!" Yes for now there is, until we catch up.0 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭Overall, I like the scaling better now but there definitely needs to be some adjustments as progression is backwards...
Why bother getting full gold at VR16 when being level 20 works just as well?0 -
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✭✭✭The lower level you are the stronger the buffs you get to compensate for the lack of abilities and gear your character has available to them.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Digerati✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The lower level you are the stronger the buffs you get to compensate for the lack of abilities and gear your character has available to them.
Ironic that @CaptainObvious didn't post this...Edited by Digerati on December 13, 2015 7:49PM0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Overall, I like the scaling better now but there definitely needs to be some adjustments as progression is backwards...
Why bother getting full gold at VR16 when being level 20 works just as well?
Because a v16 will wreck a lvl 20?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Prabooo✭✭✭✭With the new battle level specs you need to upgrade your gear every veteran rank, and bring it up to purple (not yellow until you reach V16). Farming, spending gold, etc... we all do it, it is not so dramatic.
PD. This is only if you want to be competitive in PvP, for PvE you can be naked and still beat every mob (except for veteran undaunted pledges)Edited by Prabooo on December 13, 2015 8:11PM0 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Challenge accepted. We can do multiple duels. One, full gear, another, wear only gear you can get crafted for 10k. Either way, you're not going to enjoy getting WB'd for 10k by a level 20.
Like I said, my most powerful character is a low level nightblade, a claim I would gladly back up.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Challenge accepted. We can do multiple duels. One, full gear, another, wear only gear you can get crafted for 10k. Either way, you're not going to enjoy getting WB'd for 10k by a level 20.
Like I said, my most powerful character is a low level nightblade, a claim I would gladly back up.
So you think the lvl 20 would actually kill a v16?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Catblade✭✭✭✭Do the fight i'll help the lvl 20 craft gear if he's on ps4 NA. I seriously think the lvl 20 has a good chance 1v1
Edited by Catblade on December 13, 2015 8:29PM0 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Challenge accepted. We can do multiple duels. One, full gear, another, wear only gear you can get crafted for 10k. Either way, you're not going to enjoy getting WB'd for 10k by a level 20.
Like I said, my most powerful character is a low level nightblade, a claim I would gladly back up.
So you think the lvl 20 would actually kill a v16?
The whole point of this thread is, yes, a level 20 would destroy a vr16. Especially if the vr16 doesn't have top shelf gear... Yes, the power ceiling on a vr16 is huge and there are a few vr16 guys who are untouchable... But you take the average vr16, decent gear, nothing special, and a level 20 in junk will 2-shot him. Most vr16 guys do not make it back to their feet after getting wrecking blowed.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Challenge accepted. We can do multiple duels. One, full gear, another, wear only gear you can get crafted for 10k. Either way, you're not going to enjoy getting WB'd for 10k by a level 20.
Like I said, my most powerful character is a low level nightblade, a claim I would gladly back up.
So you think the lvl 20 would actually kill a v16?
The whole point of this thread is, yes, a level 20 would destroy a vr16. Especially if the vr16 doesn't have top shelf gear... Yes, the power ceiling on a vr16 is huge and there are a few vr16 guys who are untouchable... But you take the average vr16, decent gear, nothing special, and a level 20 in junk will 2-shot him. Most vr16 guys do not make it back to their feet after getting wrecking blowed.
I still think this is lies xDPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Digerati✭✭✭✭But the larger part of this thread is regarding VR2-15s... a VR16 is going to want to make the investments into his gear and he's going to want to put a lot of effort in getting geared up.
A VR5 is not. He's in a *** position of NEEDING extremely good gear to compete, but knowing he wants to grow out of that gear ASAP so he's not going to put the time/resources into gearing up, and he's at an all-time weak point.
My greater point is simply, "becoming LESS powerful is NOT an acceptable consequence of leveling up."0 -
Digerati✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Challenge accepted. We can do multiple duels. One, full gear, another, wear only gear you can get crafted for 10k. Either way, you're not going to enjoy getting WB'd for 10k by a level 20.
Like I said, my most powerful character is a low level nightblade, a claim I would gladly back up.
So you think the lvl 20 would actually kill a v16?
The whole point of this thread is, yes, a level 20 would destroy a vr16. Especially if the vr16 doesn't have top shelf gear... Yes, the power ceiling on a vr16 is huge and there are a few vr16 guys who are untouchable... But you take the average vr16, decent gear, nothing special, and a level 20 in junk will 2-shot him. Most vr16 guys do not make it back to their feet after getting wrecking blowed.
I still think this is lies xD
Then I don't believe you spend much time in Cyrodiil.0
