Imagine a Tamriel with damage scaled without regard to max stats...

Junkogen

I'm just spitballing here. What would gameplay be like if damage didn't scale off max stats and spell and weapon damage. What if it was solely based on weapon and spell damage? Wouldn't that balance the game more or would that be worse?
It seems like it would balance the races better for sure, add to more build diversity than just Altmer sorcs, Dunmer DKs, Redguard/Imperial NB, and Imperial/Breton Templars.

Thoughts?

Thornen

6 of 1 half a dozen of the other....

NewBlacksmurf

OK, so as such....when a player levels...does that contribute to anything?

Because we would essentially remove the stats, we would still have skills so just asking where your thoughts are.
This could be a cool experience.

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO

The game can't be balanced because

a) champion point defensive talents punish magicka builds more than stamina builds, particularly magicka DK's

b) There are more ways to boost weapon damage than spell damage.

c) Ranged abilities are heavily taxed damage wise because there is supposed to be a risk vs reward even though there is no such thing as ranged combat in this game when every class can close the gap in a second.

and that's just 3 areas where Zenimax has failed.

Having said that.. if they went back and fixed up the above than there is no reason they couldn't introduce damage and ability strength scaling off of weapon and spell damage only. In fact its probably a better method as its more streamlined. They can also rework light and heavy attacks while they are at it so that both are useful.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Interesting idea. Would need a lot of work, but it seems doable. Not sure about balancing it, the differences between melee / ranged and Magicka / Stamina are a bit much.

Tors

What you are asking for is what you have in most games.

Consider VR1-15 as not included as they are in the training levels, so statwise, all VR16 characters are the same anyway. You just dont let the user assign those attributes.

Therefore the stats would be on the weapons themselves, as they are now, but more pronounced.

Look at WoW and its gear progression, its the gear that makes the character, not skill choice. And this equipment is constantly being replaced by the new seasons gear in order to allow progression.

People cried that they had to replace their armour at VR12 when 13-14 came out, and the same when 15-16 came out. In WoW it is worse, with tiered armour being delivered every 3 months or so, prompting an entire new round of gridning for gear (in whatever format it is delivered)

Gidorick

I dislike gear progression. The idea that the only reason you're more powerful is because you have a fancier weapon is silly. Taking into account skills WITH weapon abilities is preferable.

DaveMoeDee

And the idea of having to grind gear to complete all the single player content sends shivers down my spine. Bad, bad move.

Jura23

I like this idea, because more dmg I do with each attack, less resources I need to achieve my goal (win the fight), not more.

Tors

@Gidorick exactly, and this is the problem with those systems, they create the "elites" and a really sub par player can crush you just becase he had better access to gear than you did.

I talk from experiance in WoW, being unstopable in 2v2 3v3 and 5v5 because my gear was better at the start of a season, then every week it gets better still.

Boaring


ESO has had the opposite untill now, the lack of BOP meant players had choice and access to anything. It was a crafting nirnana.

Its about to go down the crapper (most likely) at the very least Ive not seen a system like it work well on other games. Games I have left becasue I just hate the elite groups that get created from this type of thing.


Our next must have addon will be an item level addon that publishes your ilevel to everyone else in the group so they can boot you based on their idea of what you should be wearing.

Fun times indeed

J2JMC

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

The game can't be balanced because

a) champion point defensive talents punish magicka builds more than stamina builds, particularly magicka DK's

b) There are more ways to boost weapon damage than spell damage.

c) Ranged abilities are heavily taxed damage wise because there is supposed to be a risk vs reward even though there is no such thing as ranged combat in this game when every class can close the gap in a second.

and that's just 3 areas where Zenimax has failed.

Having said that.. if they went back and fixed up the above than there is no reason they couldn't introduce damage and ability strength scaling off of weapon and spell damage only. In fact its probably a better method as its more streamlined. They can also rework light and heavy attacks while they are at it so that both are useful.

Lol. Maybe you should actually do PVE content, 95% of the game, before trying to imply stamina builds are better than magicka builds. Hell even in PvP, magicka sorcs and templars both outperform their stamina counterparts. Honestly the whole, "stam builds are OP" qq is just a masqueraded form of "nerf nightblades".

Also, do you honestly believe light and heavy attacks aren't useful?