Should ZOS change Stable mount gold purchase upgrade to...

NewBlacksmurf

Asking if instead of one upgrade per day the gold in-game purchase upgrades would work if offered in larger quantities or with a reduced cool down.

k9mouse

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

A side effect of people logging everyday that they will see guildmates, hirings, friends and / or the crown store items. More people play (aka log in), more chance that they will support ZOS. Therefore: more content for the rest of us. Plus, it is ok to work towards a goal -- like maxing out one's mounts, harder and longer the said goal is; more worth the goal has.

Thornen

Allow me to buy 7 at a time so I don't have to log on each day (one week cool down)

k9mouse wrote: »

A side effect of people logging everyday that they will see guildmates, hirings, friends and / or the crown store items. More people play (aka log in), more chance that they will support ZOS. Therefore: more content for the rest of us. Plus, it is ok to work towards a goal -- like maxing out one's mounts, harder and longer the said goal is; more worth the goal has.

Not quite true, only thing loggin in to train mounts does is increase Zos metrics, this poll actually has a better option than even I proposed, let us buy 7 with a 7 day cooldown, that way people that like the current option can stay the same , people like me that log in to 8 different alts to train because slow mounts suck when leveling alts could now log in to 8 char once a week to same affect, same price same cd...

BabeestorGor

Allow me to buy 7 at a time so I don't have to log on each day (one week cool down)

Thornen wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

A side effect of people logging everyday that they will see guildmates, hirings, friends and / or the crown store items. More people play (aka log in), more chance that they will support ZOS. Therefore: more content for the rest of us. Plus, it is ok to work towards a goal -- like maxing out one's mounts, harder and longer the said goal is; more worth the goal has.

Not quite true, only thing loggin in to train mounts does is increase Zos metrics, this poll actually has a better option than even I proposed, let us buy 7 with a 7 day cooldown, that way people that like the current option can stay the same , people like me that log in to 8 different alts to train because slow mounts suck when leveling alts could now log in to 8 char once a week to same affect, same price same cd...

This
I play every day but not because I have to train all my character's riding skill, thats just a disincentive to play.
I agree with riding skill not becoming account wide but this would be a good change IMO.

FlicksZ

Other idea not listed

Yes! Yes!! Anything!!! Everything!!!! Throw it on ESO+ too. End the madness.

NewBlacksmurf

Allow me to buy 5 each day with the current cool down

k9mouse wrote: »

A side effect of people logging everyday that they will see guildmates, hirings, friends and / or the crown store items. More people play (aka log in), more chance that they will support ZOS. Therefore: more content for the rest of us. Plus, it is ok to work towards a goal -- like maxing out one's mounts, harder and longer the said goal is; more worth the goal has.

I think we all understand the thought behind this, but its definitely far from true.
Mount progression isn't really important compared to friends, guildmates, crown store items or working towards any goals.

Just look at the forums alone...mount progression is in no way keeping people around and while it made sense when there was a sub...that sub is gone so all the daily things don't make a lot of sense either but I'm keeping this to mount only. If you consider someone logs-in each, pays for upgrade and leaves each day that has means they are on their way out.

Ppl who log in to buy crown item specials and then log out are not going to stick around long..
Ppl who log in to collect mail items and then log out are not going to stick around long...
Regarding friends and guildmates....well on PC and console you don't need to log in....there are forums and other means on all three platforms.

But this isn't about ppl sticking around because there is no sub.

So considering you can literally buy an unlimited amount of crown upgrades and max out the mount, why would there be any problem with either reducing the cool-down or increasing the quantity within the weekly max that still exists?

Gidorick

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How about you can pay 2X the price for 50% cooldown reduction, so...

1. 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
2. 500 gold = 12 hour cooldown
3. 1000 gold = 6 hour cooldown
4. 2000 gold = 3 hour cooldown
5. 4000 gold = 1.5 hour cooldown
6. 8000 gold = 45 minute cooldown

each tier opens up to the player when they pay for the higher of tier. so

After 1st lesson options

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 500 gold = 12 hour cooldown

Paid 500 for 2nd lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 500 gold = 12 hour cooldown
• 1000 gold = 6 hour cooldown

Paid 1000 for 3rd lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 1000 gold = 6 hour cooldown
• 2000 gold = 3 hour cooldown

Paid 2000 for 4th lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 2000 gold = 3 hour cooldown
• 4000 gold = 1.5 hour cooldown

Paid 4000 for 5th lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 4000 gold = 1.5 hour cooldown
• 8000 gold = 45 minute cooldown

If the player pays the same amount for their next lesson (they paid 2000 then 2000 again) they stay at that level of options. If they pay 250 at any point their options restart.

NewBlacksmurf

Allow me to buy 5 each day with the current cool down

Gidorick wrote: »

How about you can pay 2X the price for 50% cooldown reduction, so...

1. 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
2. 500 gold = 12 hour cooldown
3. 1000 gold = 6 hour cooldown
4. 2000 gold = 3 hour cooldown
5. 4000 gold = 1.5 hour cooldown
6. 8000 gold = 45 minute cooldown

each tier opens up to the player when they pay for the higher of tier. so

After 1st lesson options

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 500 gold = 12 hour cooldown

Paid 500 for 2nd lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 500 gold = 12 hour cooldown
• 1000 gold = 6 hour cooldown

Paid 1000 for 3rd lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 1000 gold = 6 hour cooldown
• 2000 gold = 3 hour cooldown

Paid 2000 for 4th lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 2000 gold = 3 hour cooldown
• 4000 gold = 1.5 hour cooldown

Paid 4000 for 5th lesson

• 250 gold = 24 hour cooldown
• 4000 gold = 1.5 hour cooldown
• 8000 gold = 45 minute cooldown

If the player pays the same amount for their next lesson (they paid 2000 then 2000 again) they stay at that level of options. If they pay 250 at any point their options restart.

You know you always have a more complex way of doing things... :-)

Its not a bad idea tho :-)

Hope499

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

I have had to wait endless months for my damn mount to be decent (and still not done)

you can all wait too.

NewBlacksmurf

Allow me to buy 5 each day with the current cool down

Hope499 wrote: »

I have had to wait endless months for my damn mount to be decent (and still not done)

you can all wait too.

So are you saying cause I had to wait everyone should?
(FYI: I've been here prior to launch) so unless all 8 of your slots are maxed out, there is an opportunity for you to benefit as well.

Do the crown upgrades bother you too when they were added?

spawn_to_kill

id just like mount speed etc to be account wide my mains ride is maxed but i have 4 characters and it puts me of loggin other ones in pvp cause i know i will be trundling along ps got my snow bear looking gd but was hoping it would be a lil bigger than the brown one

Thornen

Allow me to buy 7 at a time so I don't have to log on each day (one week cool down)

Heres an option, Once you have maxed out 1 characters riding skill you can fast pay the total skill for another character.

Scenario: I have a main character with 60x all 3 mount skills, i decide to roll a new character, character starts with 0x3 riding skills allowing you to train 1 per 20 hours or....pay the entire amount at once to max all 3.

Kas

Other idea not listed

imho they couldmake buying more while on cooldown a thing - for an increased price.
e.g. if you want 60 speed you can invest 60 days and 12.5k gold - or 500k gold - or 30days and 30k gold, etc.
basically if you want to feed twice a day, be prepared to pay more for the second feeding, if you want to feed 10 times, be püared to pay a lot, if you feed 60 times, things are going to become very expensive.

imho, that'd be a gold sink and would help those that just don't want to feel forced to log in every day - missing out on a day can be compensated by spending a bit more the next day

Turelus

Allow me to buy 7 at a time so I don't have to log on each day (one week cool down)

I don't see the issue with this kind of system.

Having to log in every day to multiple character to feed your mount is a PITA. Any system which helps alleviate those pains without giving you an advantage in training time I would imagine would be welcomed by the community.

Another option could be spending more money up front and each day when it should update, it does so automatically for you as a kind of training plan which auto takes the gold required from a "stable bank" or something.

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

My opinion really does not matter since I bought the crowns to level each of my mounts stats from 0-60 in about10 minutes.

NewBlacksmurf

Allow me to buy 5 each day with the current cool down

Malsidius wrote: »

My opinion really does not matter since I bought the crowns to level each of my mounts stats from 0-60 in about10 minutes.

I disagree, your opinion matters just the same.
If you could have paid gold for 5-7 skills per week at one visit to the stable would this appeal to you vs. the crowns method?

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

Perhaps, a single stat per day does not seem practical. I would even say it's unreasonable considering the alteranative to purchasing stats with crowns. But in the interests of unfairness, I do support the one stat per day because it gives me an advantage.

WalkingLegacy

Other idea not listed

Hurts the level of entry with such an archaic system. What is it? 50 days to get one increased fully? 150 days to get all increased?

How can anyone like that?

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Hurts the level of entry with such an archaic system. What is it? 50 days to get one increased fully? 150 days to get all increased?

How can anyone like that?

I think it's 60 days per stat, totaling 180 days. Roughly 6 months, lol.

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

Malsidius wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Hurts the level of entry with such an archaic system. What is it? 50 days to get one increased fully? 150 days to get all increased?

How can anyone like that?

I think it's 60 days per stat, totaling 180 days. Roughly 6 months, lol.

Assuming your sleeping, and eating...and doing other things. I would say it would take about a year if you have a day job.

WalkingLegacy

Other idea not listed

Malsidius wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Hurts the level of entry with such an archaic system. What is it? 50 days to get one increased fully? 150 days to get all increased?

How can anyone like that?

I think it's 60 days per stat, totaling 180 days. Roughly 6 months, lol.

Isn't there 60 rank ups at 20 hours each? Which is 1200 hours. Divided by 24 hours is 50 days. Multiplied by three is 150 days.

Assuming you get on every 20 hours of course. So the actual completion timing is worse.

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

Hope499 wrote: »

I have had to wait endless months for my damn mount to be decent (and still not done)

you can all wait too.

Situations like this should also be taken into account...granted I did not work hard to level my mount. However, I did work hard to get my Vampire bite. Just so ZOS could turn around and sell it in the crown store cheaper than some of the mounts. Total slap in the mouth.

KewaG

Allow me to buy 7 at a time so I don't have to log on each day (one week cool down)

k9mouse wrote: »

A side effect of people logging everyday that they will see guildmates, hirings, friends and / or the crown store items. More people play (aka log in), more chance that they will support ZOS. Therefore: more content for the rest of us. Plus, it is ok to work towards a goal -- like maxing out one's mounts, harder and longer the said goal is; more worth the goal has.

For the record, and on a personal level, if I plan to log in I'll log in regardless. If I don't plan to then I won't. Horse training doesn't change my log in schedule at all.

I've already come to terms with the fact that I'm not going to reach the max horse training within 180 days unless I buy upgrades from the crown store. Also, I tend to forget to do my training. When I do remember to do my training, it's a royal pain in the back side to log into all my alts to do training for each. I'd be 100% in favor of a 7 day cooldown for 7 lessons or a 5 day cooldown for 5 lessons for that matter. I'd even be in favor if each lesson only activated on the days that it's meant for...

joker0137

Reduce the cool down by 12 hours

You guys have all listed some great ideas and that why ZOS won't ever do them, because they are great ideas.

NewBlacksmurf

Allow me to buy 5 each day with the current cool down

Malsidius wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

I have had to wait endless months for my damn mount to be decent (and still not done)

you can all wait too.

Situations like this should also be taken into account...granted I did not work hard to level my mount. However, I did work hard to get my Vampire bite. Just so ZOS could turn around and sell it in the crown store cheaper than some of the mounts. Total slap in the mouth.

OK you two....long ago...depending on when you started playing we had to buy a mount (there was no crown store for a min of 42k gold) and keep an active sub to even get access to the game per month so $15 with no crowns.

Then for each mount we purchased, it only applied too one character so if you had alts, you had to spend 42k per mounts or more if you desired mounts with stats.

After those you had to level each mount individually per day...per character

Again..depending upon when you started...and now all mounts are in the crown store on occasions and all alts get access to all of them but only one training is required for an unlimited amount of mounts per character. Then they wiped this and many of us lost all the progress individually because they only granted the highest training per character so for me I'd spend a $250 x's 3 per day per character and after the wipe...I wasn't given any refund for the mounts of the training they wiped.


In context...just asking now if we should have an option to buy in bulk in-game considering the crown store allows it. Nothing crazy...just context maybe helps

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Malsidius wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Hurts the level of entry with such an archaic system. What is it? 50 days to get one increased fully? 150 days to get all increased?

How can anyone like that?

I think it's 60 days per stat, totaling 180 days. Roughly 6 months, lol.

Isn't there 60 rank ups at 20 hours each? Which is 1200 hours. Divided by 24 hours is 50 days. Multiplied by three is 150 days.

Assuming you get on every 20 hours of course. So the actual completion timing is worse.

Your math is correct, no qualms there. Mine was based on the assumption of getting on every 24 hours. There's actually an app (ESO toolkit) that has a mount timer...for those of you who NEED to monitor your progress.

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

In context...just asking now if we should have an option to buy in bulk in-game considering the crown store allows it. Nothing crazy...just context maybe helps[/quote]

Also, yet another good point.

WalkingLegacy

Other idea not listed

Paying 250 gold to wait 20 hours for the next one does not equate to difficulty. It's a waste of time and adds zero level of depth.

Don't even bring the crown store into the equation (unless you're figuring this bad system is in place to get people to pay for convenience)

Maxing out your mount whether it be buying a new mount in game that has max speed or buying a training module that increase your max speed on all your mounts (better idea) should be a one shot and done.

Same goes for inventory size of course.

Malsidius

No changes need to happen, its fine as is.

Considering the times, ZOS should let you buy as many stat points for gold just like crowns.

WalkingLegacy

Other idea not listed

Malsidius wrote: »

Considering the times, ZOS should let you buy as many stat points for gold just like crowns.

I hope that's sarcasm

They need to find a healthier balance for their crown store for sure but that's beside the point of how bad their mount/stable training is.

NewBlacksmurf

Allow me to buy 5 each day with the current cool down

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Malsidius wrote: »

Considering the times, ZOS should let you buy as many stat points for gold just like crowns.

I hope that's sarcasm

They need to find a healthier balance for their crown store for sure but that's beside the point of how bad their mount/stable training is.

Wait....are you saying it doesnt make sense to be able to buy with in game gold in one shot?
Considering everything else allows this...why should mounts not?
-You can buy bank, and guild bank upgrades in one shot and thats in the crown store
-You can buy motifs....thats int he crown store
-you can buy soul gems...thats in the crown store
-you can buy repair kits...thats in the crown store
-you can buy mounts....in general a mount (not cosmetically)
-etc....

explain please