Pvp is garbage now

DEATHquidox

When this game came out for ps4 It was amazing, pvp was fun you didnt die in 2 hits. The gear for vet 16 has changed everything. I got hit with a 15k crystal frag and died instantly. Im vet 16 with purple vet 14 gear on this shouldn't be happening at all zos

ThePonzzz

You're right, you should have a lot more than 15k health.

newtinmpls

15k health?

Yup, that's definetly "die a lot vs 1 or 2 shots"

chaserstorm16909

How do you do 15k damage with one hit in pvp?

Soulac

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

How do you do 15k damage with one hit in pvp?

Heavy attack you.

Tower_Of_Shame

DEATHquidox wrote: »

When this game came out for ps4 It was amazing, pvp was fun you didnt die in 2 hits. The gear for vet 16 has changed everything. I got hit with a 15k crystal frag and died instantly. Im vet 16 with purple vet 14 gear on this shouldn't be happening at all zos

L2P

revonine

With 15K health your gonna die alot and very quickly in PvP. In 1.6 on PS4 even with the old Cyrodill buff you never saw damage like that because very very few people had good gear. Now we do, and also there's more experienced players.

Dalglish

Is it even possible to have 15k health in Cyrodiil?

Frawr

The point of the discussion is that a 15k frag came along AFTER 50% DAMAGE NERF. The op is right. they have seriously overcooked damage with the vr16 money-driven stat boosts.

The 15k HP is irrelevant to this discussion.

I suggest(to name a few):

removal of the battle spirit buff and block/dodge/streak nerfs and replace with a reduced damage and healing multiplier on stats.

Base all damage shields on health

Remove inhale 3 man nerf

Remove proxy det altogether

Return frag shield det on every shielded player

Allow us to block fear again (nbs have 7k instant spammable damage and self-heals. They don't need such an op cc as well).

Xiphyla

DEATHquidox wrote: »

When this game came out for ps4 It was amazing, pvp was fun you didnt die in 2 hits. The gear for vet 16 has changed everything. I got hit with a 15k crystal frag and died instantly. Im vet 16 with purple vet 14 gear on this shouldn't be happening at all zos

If you are getting hit for 15k crystal frag , then something is very wrong with ur spec or gear.... just saying.

Kutsuu

Dalglish wrote: »

Is it even possible to have 15k health in Cyrodiil?

Yep. Race with no health bonus, no enchants/attributes in health, no food with health, and no undaunted passive. I very rarely see people with 15-16k health and they are always easy kills. I don't see how these people even operate in PVE (arena, etc) with 10-11k health.

PeggymoeXD

How the heck do you only have 15k hp in Cyrodiil?

Brrrofski

Kutsuu wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

Is it even possible to have 15k health in Cyrodiil?

Yep. Race with no health bonus, no enchants/attributes in health, no food with health, and no undaunted passive. I very rarely see people with 15-16k health and they are always easy kills. I don't see how these people even operate in PVE (arena, etc) with 10-11k health.

I run like 14k on my sorc. Of course my hardened ward is also doing not far off that.

Only sorcs can get away with it really.

Mag NBs too, assuming they don't get caught. Although I run about with about 18k health on it, but being vamp gives me a bit more of a chance to get that healing ward up and then cloak.

ThePonzzz

A lot of people opt for drinks with recovery. The new foods from Wrothgar are great though. Big game changer. But even with no food bonus, no undaunted passive and no enchants, it's hard to have 10k health pre-battle spirit buff at VR16. When IC came out, I didn't go for VR16 gear because I wasn't thrilled with any of it. I was still sitting at 22k health in Cyrodiil. I have all enchants and stats in stamina (so I can do 15k damage to people).

Dreyloch

Maybe OP is not using any set armor, nothing is infused, green or zero rune enchants on gear....oh screw it. You must be running around Cyro Neked! Shame on you! I don't wanna see your junk flopping around lol. Your also playing on PS4. So if your new to the game since then? Yeah, you have a TON of stuff to learn grasshopper =P

Skinzz

He said hes v16 with v14 gear. Nuff said.

Prabooo

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

How do you do 15k damage with one hit in pvp?

aany of my abilities will do 15k if crit

revonine

Brrrofski wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

Is it even possible to have 15k health in Cyrodiil?

Yep. Race with no health bonus, no enchants/attributes in health, no food with health, and no undaunted passive. I very rarely see people with 15-16k health and they are always easy kills. I don't see how these people even operate in PVE (arena, etc) with 10-11k health.

I run like 14k on my sorc. Of course my hardened ward is also doing not far off that.

Only sorcs can get away with it really.

Mag NBs too, assuming they don't get caught. Although I run about with about 18k health on it, but being vamp gives me a bit more of a chance to get that healing ward up and then cloak.

Well unless someone using Alcast's DK build or a stamblade comes along then your dead before your finger even reaches the Ward key xD

revonine

Brrrofski wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

Is it even possible to have 15k health in Cyrodiil?

Yep. Race with no health bonus, no enchants/attributes in health, no food with health, and no undaunted passive. I very rarely see people with 15-16k health and they are always easy kills. I don't see how these people even operate in PVE (arena, etc) with 10-11k health.

I run like 14k on my sorc. Of course my hardened ward is also doing not far off that.

Only sorcs can get away with it really.

Mag NBs too, assuming they don't get caught. Although I run about with about 18k health on it, but being vamp gives me a bit more of a chance to get that healing ward up and then cloak.

I do agree with the Sorc comment though they are definitely the only class that can get away with lowish health in PvE, hell I ran VET Darkshade Caverns the other day with 3 Sorcs and a Tank and it was very very easy thanks to Wards.

Sorry double post, damn fat fingers

CN_Daniel

20k HP in PVP for a sorc, 15k in PVE is perfect. Bubble up son. Bubble up.

Rylana

For a frag to actually crit you for 15k ALL OF the following statements must be true. The first four are out of your control.

The sorc must have empower active
The sorc must have high spell damage (over 2500) at the time of cast
The sorc must have 40k or so magicka pool
The sorc must crit

Note - the amount of damage presented would be about 30k pre-damage reduction, virtually impossible to achieve without a crit, - therefore it must be an empowered proc frag (hardcast MAYBE) that crits with values meeting or exceeding the above. So basically, a damage heavy magicka sorc build, with a leaning towards burst vs sustain.

You must have a penetratable spell resistance (under 15k is very bad territory, 20k starts showing noticeable difference)
You must not be blocking
You must not have a damage shield active
You must not roll dodge
You must not have an active dodge ability running (shuffle, chance only but still counts)
You must not have any crit reduction (champ or impen)
You must have minimum or no spell damage reduction (champ)
You must not interrupt the cast (assuming not a proc frag)
You must not reflect the cast (DK wings, defensive posture)


And if all of that is true, simply having 15k health by itself is just an invitation for a sorc like me to try one-shotting you. Delicious target is delicious.

found1779

Same people are saying the same thing they said on my thread when I said dks are op and need a nerf I even showed a video people told me I need to learn to play instead of actually admitting pvp is the problem they blame it on the person playing how about yall saying learn to play hush the heck up and stop using that as an excuse for pvp being broken on console

tist

Last patch was worse. I had 1900 spell damage and people died from a procced frag + mages wrath.

RinaldoGandolphi

The only way you could get a 15k-17k Frag now (The old Pixy Frag was close to 30k-31k i believe) is:

1. You need to use a good many Mage's guild abilities(Each one gives you 2% magic Recovery and 2% max magic, Inner Light Adds 8%(If im not mistaken))
2. You need to be using Bound Aegis
3. You need 40k Max Magic(More the better)
4. You need around 3200 Spell Damage buffed
5. You need the Might of Guild Empowerment
6. You need 100 points into Thaumaturge
7. You need at least 66 points into Elf Born(More the better)
8. You need the Shadow Stone
9. You need all divines on armor pieces
10. You need a Frag Proc
11. You need the Frag Proc to Crit

If you can get all 11 of those conditions met, and someone doesn't dodge roll or reflect your Frag, then you can absolutely hit that hard with it, the downside is you give up everything else. Remember Pixy was running around with a Bar that looked like:

Main Bar

Crystal Frags
Entropy
Daedric Curse
Bound Aegis
Inner Light
Shooting Star

Off Bar
Streak
Healing Ward
Hardened Ward
Bound Aegis
Inner Light
Shooting Star

Say what you will but it took quite a bit of skill on his part to make that work, and most players would have a hard time at it as he didn't have any direct damage spammable and was playing a game of rope a dope and would set you up for for a big boom when he had an opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbj8bQc8E_M

cut the damage numbers in half from what Pixy was doing even back then, and now...yes hitting a Frag that hard would be totally doable, at the cost of giving up everything else, playing a build many would struggle with...Pixy was a very good player and very few out there could have the sucess he had with what he was using as he wasn't even spamming Mage's Wrath he was not using a damage spammable at all as seen by his vids.

As for the OP, Crystal Frags is probably one of the easier skills in the game to avoid, it doesn't move real fast and its dodged moe often then you hit with it unless your at point blank range with thunderform up and they can't see your hands glowing purple, the purple hands are a big giveway to folks nowadays.

DEATHquidox

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

How do you do 15k damage with one hit in pvp?

My point exactly

DEATHquidox

revonine wrote: »

With 15K health your gonna die alot and very quickly in PvP. In 1.6 on PS4 even with the old Cyrodill buff you never saw damage like that because very very few people had good gear. Now we do, and also there's more experienced players.

I have 20K health the problem is I got hit with a 15k crystal frags with a50% damage reduction. Thats my issue

DEATHquidox

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

The only way you could get a 15k-17k Frag now (The old Pixy Frag was close to 30k-31k i believe) is:

1. You need to use a good many Mage's guild abilities(Each one gives you 2% magic Recovery and 2% max magic, Inner Light Adds 8%(If im not mistaken))
2. You need to be using Bound Aegis
3. You need 40k Max Magic(More the better)
4. You need around 3200 Spell Damage buffed
5. You need the Might of Guild Empowerment
6. You need 100 points into Thaumaturge
7. You need at least 66 points into Elf Born(More the better)
8. You need the Shadow Stone
9. You need all divines on armor pieces
10. You need a Frag Proc
11. You need the Frag Proc to Crit

If you can get all 11 of those conditions met, and someone doesn't dodge roll or reflect your Frag, then you can absolutely hit that hard with it, the downside is you give up everything else. Remember Pixy was running around with a Bar that looked like:

Main Bar

Crystal Frags
Entropy
Daedric Curse
Bound Aegis
Inner Light
Shooting Star

Off Bar
Streak
Healing Ward
Hardened Ward
Bound Aegis
Inner Light
Shooting Star

Say what you will but it took quite a bit of skill on his part to make that work, and most players would have a hard time at it as he didn't have any direct damage spammable and was playing a game of rope a dope and would set you up for for a big boom when he had an opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbj8bQc8E_M

cut the damage numbers in half from what Pixy was doing even back then, and now...yes hitting a Frag that hard would be totally doable, at the cost of giving up everything else, playing a build many would struggle with...Pixy was a very good player and very few out there could have the sucess he had with what he was using as he wasn't even spamming Mage's Wrath he was not using a damage spammable at all as seen by his vids.

As for the OP, Crystal Frags is probably one of the easier skills in the game to avoid, it doesn't move real fast and its dodged moe often then you hit with it unless your at point blank range with thunderform up and they can't see your hands glowing purple, the purple hands are a big giveway to folks nowadays.

The guy that killed me wasnt running this build at all he had entropy curse and det. Theres no way he had all of that

xXNesTXx

DEATHquidox wrote: »

When this game came out for ps4 It was amazing, pvp was fun you didnt die in 2 hits. The gear for vet 16 has changed everything. I got hit with a 15k crystal frag and died instantly. Im vet 16 with purple vet 14 gear on this shouldn't be happening at all zos

Having a debuff of 50% less of damage, is impossible to die more faster than before patch...

Anyways....you have a simple solution....get a golden vet 16 gear....because the game is not over in vet 14.....

CatchMeTrolling

It's not the gear, it's just the typical player makes the hardest hitting build and more people know how to actually play now. It's not a l2p issue though like the pugs are saying though, people really do hit very hard, especially sorcs.

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO

Prabooo wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

How do you do 15k damage with one hit in pvp?

aany of my abilities will do 15k if crit

to a mob maybe

kevlarto_ESO

I run with a small well geared group with and once in awhile we get hit with some crazy damage, not from the emp or anyone special, we chalk it up to a lucky crit, now if this person repeats that damage over and over with the damage reduction we do indeed have a problem.