Werewolfs Heal - Hircines Rage/Hircines Fortitude

olsborg

It scales of magicka...I dont understand why, it makes it a *** heal for stamina builds who use it in combat. Sure ww is supposed to be bursty and dps ult, but the heal should definately scale off stamina regardless of this.

Agree / Disagree. (please elaborate)

hrothbern

Agree

Whereby noted that the total heal should not get bigger than Vigor for the same Weapon Damage and Stamina stat and the costs should be the same.

Note:
If you have 30k Magicka stat with only 1500 Spell Damage the current Hircines Fortitude Heal is insanely high.

Rex-Umbra

Agree

Wondered why it healed for like nothing.

Jura23

Disagree

I think it's intended how it is. WW isn't stam only thing. Imagine being magicka Templar WW using 1 piece Molag Kena.Together with Balanced Warrior passive and strong WW heal that could actually be interesting.

hrothbern

Agree

Jura23 wrote: »

I think it's intended how it is. WW isn't stam only thing. Imagine being magicka Templar WW using 1 piece Molag Kena.Together with Balanced Warrior passive and strong WW heal that could actually be interesting.

A Magicka WW will do little Damage.
Almost all WW are, as far as I know, Stamina builds.

So a Stamina Heal will allign Damage and Heal like Vigor, and will make WW more viable.... Perhaps we see finally some more Werewolves

But I guess you are right regarding: "I think it's intended how it is".

The ZOS intention appears to balance between sustain with more Magicka and Health stat versus more Damage from Stamina.

But again... I do not see many Werewolves.

Alcast

Agree

Jura23 wrote: »

I think it's intended how it is. WW isn't stam only thing. Imagine being magicka Templar WW using 1 piece Molag Kena.Together with Balanced Warrior passive and strong WW heal that could actually be interesting.

It is just one of those abilities that ZOS forgot to scale, simple as that, and now they do not have time bc they busy nerfing templars.

terrordactyl1971

Disagree

I'm a magicka Sorc and love the heal on my Werewolf. I can solo almost anything (within reason) as I can spam the heal and never run out of Magicka as my magic refills faster than my Werewolf can use it.

They might be fairly long battles, but I never run out of juice - the only way he can die is with heavy burst damage.

Apoxsee

The way they have it setup is so you have your stam solely for your Dps and the magic for your heal as to not reduce your Stam pool.. Keep it as is. As a Stam based werewolf I never have an issue with this skill not healing me.

Glaiceana

Agree

It should have the option to morph into either magicka using or stam using so it doesn't ruin werewolf for people's magicka builds

Xantaria

Agree

Alcast wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I think it's intended how it is. WW isn't stam only thing. Imagine being magicka Templar WW using 1 piece Molag Kena.Together with Balanced Warrior passive and strong WW heal that could actually be interesting.

It is just one of those abilities that ZOS forgot to scale, simple as that, and now they do not have time bc they busy nerfing templars.

HUEHUEHUE

Nice Meme

olsborg

Agree

Glaiceana wrote: »

It should have the option to morph into either magicka using or stam using so it doesn't ruin werewolf for people's magicka builds

I dont see how ww can be useful for any magicka builds, unless you just want to stand there healing yourself, in wich case, youre quite useless. All the other skills scale of stamina.

Asmael

I seriously hesitate.

Yes that would make WW stronger, and when I see good WW players, I am seriously scared at times.

They are really scary when it comes to bursting down someone, so I don't feel like giving them the ability to become much harder to kill on top of the highest bursting power.

I think they're balanced, because they are not able to be both extreme damage dealers coupled with very good defense. Don't forget the extra magical / phys resistance they got since IC.

CP5

Agree

At least rage could scale with stamina while still costing magicka.

pema

Agree

While we're at it... give us back the use of the WW.
Vamps can use it way easier then ww. As we only have the ulti option

remilafo

Oh i have mixed opinions on this one..

There used to be soft caps in this game and back then people did run hybrid builds because they were better; but thats another story.

The point is that many skills including the WW heal made sense back in that time.

Today though a Stamina scaled WW heal would give them a VERY big buff. They are already VERY VERY good.

In pvp WW are deadly and in pve they are about 80% equivalent to sorc's in Overload in terms of dps but far more defensive and WW can be maintained infinitely as long as you have a target to hit.

Anyone who thinks WW is useless, well you don't know WW lol..

Anyways back to the point a stam heal would be amazing but might make WW suddenly the best class in the game.

The song "who let the dogs out" comes to mind.. they would be everywhere.

hrothbern

Agree

remilafo wrote: »

Oh i have mixed opinions on this one..

There used to be soft caps in this game and back then people did run hybrid builds because they were better; but thats another story.

The point is that many skills including the WW heal made sense back in that time.

Today though a Stamina scaled WW heal would give them a VERY big buff. They are already VERY VERY good.

In pvp WW are deadly and in pve they are about 80% equivalent to sorc's in Overload in terms of dps but far more defensive and WW can be maintained infinitely as long as you have a target to hit.

Anyone who thinks WW is useless, well you don't know WW lol..

Anyways back to the point a stam heal would be amazing but might make WW suddenly the best class in the game.

The song "who let the dogs out" comes to mind.. they would be everywhere.

@remilafo,


That would depend on the size of the Heal... Wouldn't it?

remilafo

hrothbern wrote: »

remilafo wrote: »

Oh i have mixed opinions on this one..

There used to be soft caps in this game and back then people did run hybrid builds because they were better; but thats another story.

The point is that many skills including the WW heal made sense back in that time.

Today though a Stamina scaled WW heal would give them a VERY big buff. They are already VERY VERY good.

In pvp WW are deadly and in pve they are about 80% equivalent to sorc's in Overload in terms of dps but far more defensive and WW can be maintained infinitely as long as you have a target to hit.

Anyone who thinks WW is useless, well you don't know WW lol..

Anyways back to the point a stam heal would be amazing but might make WW suddenly the best class in the game.

The song "who let the dogs out" comes to mind.. they would be everywhere.

@remilafo,


That would depend on the size of the Heal... Wouldn't it?

for sure, what do you think of the heal now? If it was doing the same as it does now but use stamina instead i would actually like to keep it to magicka thanks.

BullNetch

Claws of life will heal you.

Was leveling as WW and stacking magicka.

WW seems to be tuned for stamina builds and those who wear heavy armor and put skill points into medium or heavy armor passives.

As a magicka WW, you are stamina starved. You will self heal, cast claws of life, light attack bleed, and heavy attack mostly. Your dots will do the work and your hot will keep you up.

While I was leveling I always felt that even if I had all my attributes into magicka, just wearing full plate would have made me better because I would get resources back every time I got hit. As a WW, I was getting hit a lot.

You can run around as a mage but then switch armor if you want to mess around as a WW without redistributing attribute points.

Hiero_Glyph

Apoxsee wrote: »

The way they have it setup is so you have your stam solely for your Dps and the magic for your heal as to not reduce your Stam pool.. Keep it as is. As a Stam based werewolf I never have an issue with this skill not healing me.

You missed the point. No one is saying the heal should cost stamina, only that it should use stamina and weapon damage to determine the heal amount. As it is now, the heal amount is pitiful because it uses your maximum magicka and spell power to determine how much it heals. Costing magicka to heal is not the problem.

Waseem

Disagree

Xantaria wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I think it's intended how it is. WW isn't stam only thing. Imagine being magicka Templar WW using 1 piece Molag Kena.Together with Balanced Warrior passive and strong WW heal that could actually be interesting.

It is just one of those abilities that ZOS forgot to scale, simple as that, and now they do not have time bc they busy nerfing templars.

HUEHUEHUE

Nice Meme

Alcast wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I think it's intended how it is. WW isn't stam only thing. Imagine being magicka Templar WW using 1 piece Molag Kena.Together with Balanced Warrior passive and strong WW heal that could actually be interesting.

It is just one of those abilities that ZOS forgot to scale, simple as that, and now they do not have time bc they busy nerfing templars.

templar is a very strong(if not strongest) class around, if you cant do well with templar, you dont know how to play it, simple as that, ask Alessii next time you are in PC EU Azura's star for some templar lessons

OGLezard

I got hit for a 16k howl the other night in pvp......I think they are just fine how they are.......

acw37162

Agree

It should scale of stamina and cost magica.

Then again I'm of the opinion that class heals should scale of your highest stat but I'm in the minority for this opinion.

WW neess the magica dump.

Geemarc

Disagree

Nope no need to buff werewolf anymore.

If you have the right build/gear they are already ridiculous in PvP.

lonewolf26

Agree

I'd suggest it should scale off of the higher of the two.

eliisra

Agree

But they would need to tone it down a fair bit, maybe make it a HoT.

WW have the highest physical burst in the game, outside if sneak attacks and DK ulti. You just melt if you have a WW on you. Unlike magicka bursts, like Overload, there's very few counters and ways to mitigate rapid physical dmg. So if they're also able to heal like magicka max spell power templars, we're in big trouble or playing Elder WW online. Would be almost as broken as early on vamps.

But I also see no reason having the heal magicka based. Why would a magicka build waste all their ulti going WW? It's just silly.

SirDopey

Disagree

I think changing it would lead to some very over powered WW's which would then result in ZOS nerfing their damage rather than undoing the mistake of letting large stamina/weapon damage stats also contribute to healing.

The whole idea of glass cannons is huge damage but squishy, if people could have huge damage and huge heals (effectively what having the heals scale of stamina would do) then those builds would be so out of balance to the rest of the game, leave it as it is...

Crimsonwolf666

Disagree

As a Stam build I have never had this issue with healing, I also don't have to spam heal all the time because I donot put myself into situations that require that of me....most of the time. But those situations...me having more Magik a or worse if the heal was stamina based, I would have died much sooner. It's fine as is, just need to know how to utilize all your resources to and not waste those heals.

StagnetForever

Disagree

NO its perfect now Im A VR5 Stam WereWolf and I have never had a hard time healing not during a boss battle or during a grind. I can consistently remain in WereWolf form for 30 to 40mins easy and never is healing an issue. If they change it somehow they will take something away from something else and cripple the build it happens all the time so just enjoy our unstoppable WereWolf before it gets nerfed

Fubar8

Disagree

yea yea We need to buff stamina based chars again since the magickas too operino.

CaptainBeerDude

Disagree

Mine already heals about 40% of my HP. I'll take more if it's offered, but would prefer no nerf later on.