Spell Damage Irrelevant Stat?

CavalierPrime

Imagine my surprise when my 3,000 spell damage and 35,000 max magicka comes out to a 5,900 damage flame lash, meanwhile a friend with 1,900 spell damage and 41,000 max magicka has a 6,500 damage flame lash.
My build is
5 Julianos
3 Willpower
1 Molag Kena
2 Torugs Pact

His something along the lines of
3 Elemental Succession
1 Valkyn Skoria
2 Magnus
3 Willpower
2 I forget, probably max mag bonus

So you can have 0 mag regen and 0 spell damage and 50,000 magicka and be Boss Hog. But when you try to build the intuitive way, youre a limp noodle. Very distressing.

Ezareth

Those numbers aren't adding up.

1100 spell damage will always add more damage than 6000 magicka.

Reorx_Holybeard

Yes, the rough ratio is 10 Magicka = 1 Spell Damage. How do Champion Points compare between characters? Are you comparing buffed or unbuffed damage (and which buffs if buffed)? Are you comparing tooltip or actual damage dealt? Which skills are on your bars?

A lot of potential things can explain the differences....

Ara_Valleria

you need to do a more detailed analysis as to why your whips are hitting for less. Besides the stats Ezareth and Reorx mentioned, another thing to look at would be if your friend is a Dunmer. Dunmers do bonus fire damage.

CavalierPrime

We compared our stat sheets and Lash tooltips. This is ps4. I can try to get more specific numbers later today, but those were pretty close to the real numbers. When I pop a spell damage pot, I got my Lash to about 6,400 while his went up to about 7,500. He does have a little more cp than me, and he puts all his points into elemental damage while I give a few token points to increased crit dmg and healing.

Basically what I wanted to know was if two people have equal max magicka but one person has 50% more spell damage, will he only be doing a handful more damage?

This player is in the top group for all three trials on ps4 n.a. His DPS is legitimate and in high demand. He told me spell damage helps Sorcs and I think Templars, but that DK and NB dont need spell damage in order to dish max damage. I believe him but I dont like the inconsistency.

CavalierPrime

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

you need to do a more detailed analysis as to why your whips are hitting for less. Besides the stats Ezareth and Reorx mentioned, another thing to look at would be if your friend is a Dunmer. Dunmers do bonus fire damage.

That could also be a big factor that I didn't consider. I do believe he is dark elf while I am Breton. But we both magicka DK dps, and I was so disheartened to see that my higher spell damage translated to less actual damage on the tooltip. We dont have add-ons for ps4 so we cant see reality based numbers, only tooltips and stat sheets.

Ariisen

I for once hit harder with the mage mundus than with the apprentice lol.

Max magica is almost as important if not more than spell damage but to understand the issue we'll need to look further into your builds\racial passives.

EDIT: Nevermind, posted too late.

Cuyler

CavalierPrime wrote: »

We compared our stat sheets and Lash tooltips. This is ps4. I can try to get more specific numbers later today, but those were pretty close to the real numbers. When I pop a spell damage pot, I got my Lash to about 6,400 while his went up to about 7,500. He does have a little more cp than me, and he puts all his points into elemental damage while I give a few token points to increased crit dmg and healing.

Basically what I wanted to know was if two people have equal max magicka but one person has 50% more spell damage, will he only be doing a handful more damage?

This player is in the top group for all three trials on ps4 n.a. His DPS is legitimate and in high demand. He told me spell damage helps Sorcs and I think Templars, but that DK and NB dont need spell damage in order to dish max damage. I believe him but I dont like the inconsistency.

Is the torugs pact 2pc bonus still bugged? Your using it he's not.....

What mundus are you two using?

remilafo

sounds like a CP issue..

RinOkumara

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Imagine my surprise when my 3,000 spell damage and 35,000 max magicka comes out to a 5,900 damage flame lash, meanwhile a friend with 1,900 spell damage and 41,000 max magicka has a 6,500 damage flame lash.
My build is
5 Julianos
3 Willpower
1 Molag Kena
2 Torugs Pact

His something along the lines of
3 Elemental Succession
1 Valkyn Skoria
2 Magnus
3 Willpower
2 I forget, probably max mag bonus

So you can have 0 mag regen and 0 spell damage and 50,000 magicka and be Boss Hog. But when you try to build the intuitive way, youre a limp noodle. Very distressing.

Those are really low whip numbers:/

CavalierPrime

Rin, that's the regular Flame Lash number, not the Power Lash proc number.

CavalierPrime

Looking closer at the numbers, I see if you indeed equate magicka to spell damage at 10-1, we come out pretty even, and the thing putting him over the top is the extra cp in elemental damage along with being dark elf. From my original perspective it seemed like he just completely gave up on the spell damage stat and got rewarded, which confused me greatly.