Why Cyrodiil is becoming unplayable and why I'm starting to hate this game

Shardaxx

1. The lag and loading times. I'm posting this while my game loads after a death "this may be an unusually long loading time" has popped up 4 or 5 times already, last night I had to quit out after a teleport between keeps turned into a never ending load. It's getting worse and worse, fix your servers already ZOS! Jeeez, unacceptable. Related to this is the lag, its making the game unplayable. Button presses are taking SECONDS to do anything in busy fights or when they are a lot of players nearby. I'm on PS4, so hardware isn't the issue. My internet is 70mb and wired. Fighting is just impossible, I tend to stand off and grab some kills with the bow because at least that hits, using melee attacks is difficult to impossible

2. My damage vs other players damage. I know some people are going to say L2P or whatever, but sometimes my attacks hardly seem to do anything. My surprise attack often hits with no real effect at all, even on NPCs (in Cyrodiil). There's a dull, quiet sound as it connects and hardly any damage, instead of the satisfying swoosh and damage I've got used to from PVE. They are not blocking. On the rare occasions it works properly, I get decent damage, but mostly it just doesn't seem to do anything. I got killed tonight in 2 shots from a Focus Aim doing over 9k damage each. I've shot people 10 times (mostly shooting down from walls) and not done that much damage. I'm using a level 14 purple bow with shock glyph. Other times, it hits for massive damage. What's going on here? Have others noticed this?

3. Recovery from stun. When I get stunned, I pump my triggers but I'm still stunned for maybe a second, including the time for the WAAAAAAH! animation. I knocked another player down and before I could even score another hit, he was up, in like a tenth of a second. What's with that? It happens a lot with SOME players, others get stunned for a reasonable amount of time, like I do. If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me.

/rant

Shardaxx

Oh I forgot one, which seems to have started happening recently - loading screens while running around Cyrodiil! Sometimes when you're in the middle of a fight, yep that's really handy. It tends to happen when you have been riding around fast.

Bottom line is, this game can't cope with the amount it tries to throw around on the screen, on PS4 at least I'd imagine PC performance is much better. Things seem to be getting progressively worse since the patch of doom which brought us the long load times, it used to play much better before that. I hope they can patch it back to how it used to be some time because if this continues, I'll be leaving to go play something else.

hammayolettuce

Shardaxx wrote: »

1. The lag and loading times. I'm posting this while my game loads after a death "this may be an unusually long loading time" has popped up 4 or 5 times already, last night I had to quit out after a teleport between keeps turned into a never ending load. It's getting worse and worse, fix your servers already ZOS! Jeeez, unacceptable. Related to this is the lag, its making the game unplayable. Button presses are taking SECONDS to do anything in busy fights or when they are a lot of players nearby. I'm on PS4, so hardware isn't the issue. My internet is 70mb and wired. Fighting is just impossible, I tend to stand off and grab some kills with the bow because at least that hits, using melee attacks is difficult to impossible

2. My damage vs other players damage. I know some people are going to say L2P or whatever, but sometimes my attacks hardly seem to do anything. My surprise attack often hits with no real effect at all, even on NPCs (in Cyrodiil). There's a dull, quiet sound as it connects and hardly any damage, instead of the satisfying swoosh and damage I've got used to from PVE. They are not blocking. On the rare occasions it works properly, I get decent damage, but mostly it just doesn't seem to do anything. I got killed tonight in 2 shots from a Focus Aim doing over 9k damage each. I've shot people 10 times (mostly shooting down from walls) and not done that much damage. I'm using a level 14 purple bow with shock glyph. Other times, it hits for massive damage. What's going on here? Have others noticed this?

3. Recovery from stun. When I get stunned, I pump my triggers but I'm still stunned for maybe a second, including the time for the WAAAAAAH! animation. I knocked another player down and before I could even score another hit, he was up, in like a tenth of a second. What's with that? It happens a lot with SOME players, others get stunned for a reasonable amount of time, like I do. If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me.

/rant

1. Lag in pvp is primarily the games coding .. Supposedly being worked on and slated for update in the next major update.

2. Honestly it's really just a learn to play issue from what your describing. You aren't max level or even using proper gear or enchants so you are missing on tons of damage.

3. Lag can affect the time to cc break.

PainfulFAFA

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

1. The lag and loading times. I'm posting this while my game loads after a death "this may be an unusually long loading time" has popped up 4 or 5 times already, last night I had to quit out after a teleport between keeps turned into a never ending load. It's getting worse and worse, fix your servers already ZOS! Jeeez, unacceptable. Related to this is the lag, its making the game unplayable. Button presses are taking SECONDS to do anything in busy fights or when they are a lot of players nearby. I'm on PS4, so hardware isn't the issue. My internet is 70mb and wired. Fighting is just impossible, I tend to stand off and grab some kills with the bow because at least that hits, using melee attacks is difficult to impossible

2. My damage vs other players damage. I know some people are going to say L2P or whatever, but sometimes my attacks hardly seem to do anything. My surprise attack often hits with no real effect at all, even on NPCs (in Cyrodiil). There's a dull, quiet sound as it connects and hardly any damage, instead of the satisfying swoosh and damage I've got used to from PVE. They are not blocking. On the rare occasions it works properly, I get decent damage, but mostly it just doesn't seem to do anything. I got killed tonight in 2 shots from a Focus Aim doing over 9k damage each. I've shot people 10 times (mostly shooting down from walls) and not done that much damage. I'm using a level 14 purple bow with shock glyph. Other times, it hits for massive damage. What's going on here? Have others noticed this?

3. Recovery from stun. When I get stunned, I pump my triggers but I'm still stunned for maybe a second, including the time for the WAAAAAAH! animation. I knocked another player down and before I could even score another hit, he was up, in like a tenth of a second. What's with that? It happens a lot with SOME players, others get stunned for a reasonable amount of time, like I do. If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me.

/rant

1. Lag in pvp is primarily the games coding .. Supposedly being worked on and slated for update in the next major update.

2. Honestly it's really just a learn to play issue from what your describing. You aren't max level or even using proper gear or enchants so you are missing on tons of damage.

3. Lag can affect the time to cc break.

This.

2. To add to this, half the pvpers are using Shuffle which gives a 20% miss chance which might be why your hits arent connecting.

nimander99

Yeah, its obvious (to me at least) that when the lighting fix went into the game in the 2nd? 3rd? update the engine could no longer handle the skill effect spam in large scale player areas like Cyrodiil battlefields and towns when people are spamming their PVP speed abilities.

Also I agree with the soft loading screens happening way too often now, that's just straight up annoying

Gilvoth

Shardaxx wrote: »

1. The lag and loading times. I'm posting this while my game loads after a death "this may be an unusually long loading time" has popped up 4 or 5 times already, last night I had to quit out after a teleport between keeps turned into a never ending load. It's getting worse and worse, fix your servers already ZOS! Jeeez, unacceptable. Related to this is the lag, its making the game unplayable. Button presses are taking SECONDS to do anything in busy fights or when they are a lot of players nearby. I'm on PS4, so hardware isn't the issue. My internet is 70mb and wired. Fighting is just impossible, I tend to stand off and grab some kills with the bow because at least that hits, using melee attacks is difficult to impossible

2. My damage vs other players damage. I know some people are going to say L2P or whatever, but sometimes my attacks hardly seem to do anything. My surprise attack often hits with no real effect at all, even on NPCs (in Cyrodiil). There's a dull, quiet sound as it connects and hardly any damage, instead of the satisfying swoosh and damage I've got used to from PVE. They are not blocking. On the rare occasions it works properly, I get decent damage, but mostly it just doesn't seem to do anything. I got killed tonight in 2 shots from a Focus Aim doing over 9k damage each. I've shot people 10 times (mostly shooting down from walls) and not done that much damage. I'm using a level 14 purple bow with shock glyph. Other times, it hits for massive damage. What's going on here? Have others noticed this?

3. Recovery from stun. When I get stunned, I pump my triggers but I'm still stunned for maybe a second, including the time for the WAAAAAAH! animation. I knocked another player down and before I could even score another hit, he was up, in like a tenth of a second. What's with that? It happens a lot with SOME players, others get stunned for a reasonable amount of time, like I do. If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me.

/rant

you just described SOME of the problems i have had since beta, i see what you talk about here on a moment by moment daily basis in cryodiil, where i spend all my time and it could even be said "i live there"

it was once asked to devs, by a child:

"would you live in the place you made"

the crowd laughed and clapped, but the sad truth is. this aint funny and they never answered the child's question ...

oh and by the way im wearing maxed out v16 gear all gold and also gold enchantments, so it aint me
i also have 376 champion points.

Oliumzen

I would just like an open world PVP server. or the option to flag yourself as PvP.

usmcjdking

1 - Lag
2 - Zergballs

That's really it. There is a PTS for a reason and the developer team doesn't play around with it anywhere near as much as they should.

I_killed_Vivec

I've noticed that recovery from stun has become very variable. Sometimes I'm OK, sometimes it's unresponsive.

JamilaRaj

hammayolettuce wrote: »

2. Honestly it's really just a learn to play issue from what your describing. You aren't max level or even using proper gear or enchants so you are missing on tons of damage.

L2P issue would be how one allocates his resources and what he then does during a fight. The thing is that not only there is very real power gap due to chiefly CPs and gear available to individual players even though they allocate their resources in the same way and use gear to buff same stats (in fact any arbitrary way and gear), but that gap can be greater today than ever and basically determines outcome of a battle. The game took sharp turn to grind to win and ultimately pay to win as cash helps/is required.
The Lag (poor FPS, other glitches) is super annoying and can render the game unplayable, but pales in comparison with atrocities commited by ZOS on design level. Glitches could be pehraps fixed, eventually, but this is not going to heal, ever.

Shardaxx

Thanks for the responses guys, nice to know I'm not alone.

Just been back on and got some good melee kills, the difference was the battles were smaller, maybe 20-30 total players (counting everyone from both teams) in the area, and things run much more smoothly, my attacks connect properly, and dish out decent damage (I'm not maxed yet, VR15 using 2 level 14 golden swords and a purple bow). Anyway its all down to the number of players around and how much is going on, if it goes above a certain level of activity, it turns into a lag fest.

One thing I noticed tonight when I got ambushed while on a siege engine, a NB killed me in about a second. Checking the death sheet, he hit me with 2 heavy attacks, an ambush, surprise attack and something else, in 1 second, How is this possible? I saw it on another death too, 2 heavy attacks in a very short space of time, my heavy attacks take about a second or so to wind up, is there something where players can reduce that time and pump out heavy attacks quickly in combination with other skill attacks?

TheBull

OP don't be the guy out of stealth shooting snipes wondering why the do no damage before they are killed.

Shardaxx

TheBull wrote: »

OP don't be the guy out of stealth shooting snipes wondering why the do no damage before they are killed.

Well since your first shot brings you out of stealth, if you're shooting the rest of the shots will be out of stealth, unless you hide, fire one shot, hide again, and repeat, but there really doesn't seem much point in that since you can't kill anyone with one shot (although knocking them over is nice).

I've probably had more kills with the bow when things get laggy than with melee, so I've no complaints about the bow. It has its place, but I like a good mix of ranged and melee. Snipes do ok damage out of stealth, sure you have to spam them a bit but when you're up on a castle wall, it works. My bow attacks DO connect even when things get laggy, its the melee attacks which don't, even on NPCs who die quickly when there's no lag.

TheBull

shoot two focused aims, weave in a heavy and a poison injection, then restealth. Rinse and repeat.

AMadAussie

JamilaRaj wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

2. Honestly it's really just a learn to play issue from what your describing. You aren't max level or even using proper gear or enchants so you are missing on tons of damage.

L2P issue would be how one allocates his resources and what he then does during a fight. The thing is that not only there is very real power gap due to chiefly CPs and gear available to individual players even though they allocate their resources in the same way and use gear to buff same stats (in fact any arbitrary way and gear), but that gap can be greater today than ever and basically determines outcome of a battle. The game took sharp turn to grind to win and ultimately pay to win as cash helps/is required.
The Lag (poor FPS, other glitches) is super annoying and can render the game unplayable, but pales in comparison with atrocities commited by ZOS on design level. Glitches could be pehraps fixed, eventually, but this is not going to heal, ever.

Just about sums it up.

Helgi_Skotina

Something has really to be done. Giant loading times, game crashes, lags - its all cyro.

Alucardo

I got 1 hit by focused aim cause bows are underpowered.

Tan9oSuccka

I get the same thing in PVP, OP. One of the main reasons I seldom play it.

Granted, I have abysmal burst damage in my PVE centric Dragonknight. I'm using good matched gear, tripot potions, blue food and know how to block and avoid attacks. My attacks seem to barely even scratch the Sorcerer shield stack, like I'm playing a completely different game.

NoMoreChillies

its not the game you hate, its just PVP
seems to be a common theme i see on forums alot

Alcast

Alucardo wrote: »

I got 1 hit by focused aim cause bows are underpowered.

Do you run around with 12k HP? xD

Alcast

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

I get the same thing in PVP, OP. One of the main reasons I seldom play it.

Granted, I have abysmal burst damage in my PVE centric Dragonknight. I'm using good matched gear, tripot potions, blue food and know how to block and avoid attacks. My attacks seem to barely even scratch the Sorcerer shield stack, like I'm playing a completely different game.

Welcome to the land of uncrittable easy respammable shields.

NadiusMaximus

Lol, next major update.
It's been going on two years and they still don't have a grasp.

zornyan

usmcjdking wrote: »

1 - Lag
2 - Zergballs

That's really it. There is a PTS for a reason and the developer team doesn't play around with it anywhere near as much as they should.

Or maybe it's that there's a huge difference between a small small test server with a thousand or so people in it at best, Compared to a huge server with tens if not hundreds of thousands of players on it worldwide.

riverdragon72

I'm done with it all after this campaign if it's not being stun locked by nightblades or steel tornadoed to death everywhere I turn it's smashing at buttons while nothing happens while everyone around me seems to do as they wish.