Who thought up this trade system?

Steelriver

This way they have trade is the worst system I have ever seen. Its worse then EQ 1 when it has all traders standing in a cave in the middle of no where. Who thought that putting traders all over creation was a good idea? Also once then main traders get established no one can really out bid them. But the real problem is that you have to spend hours traveling around trying to find decent prices and the items you want. I have stopped using them.

Elsonso

I can usually find what I am looking for in less than a half dozen places. Like 99% of the time. I also know where to shop so that I am buying pretty close to the lowest price. Guild traders everywhere means that they are always close to me, but are separate enough to prevent everyone from selling at the same price. This allows those low prices that I find to stay around longer.

It is a good system, better than the average MMO games that I play.

k9mouse

I really like the current trade system as well.

Cogo

Actually the whole ecosystem is fantastic. I have only seen this stable economy in EvE online. Items don't turn into junk in 5 seconds like WoW. And be able to reward actually merchantalism skill in the player (You human) to buy cheap and sell for a profit.

The same items that sold for 100 a year ago, still have value today. Most MMOs only keep the value for new items early in each expansion.

There are plenty of Guild traders for all kinds of guilds, easy access in city hubs. So trading guilds dont set the market. The market set the market! Amazing! The guild traders also adds flare and fun in pretty much every guild....

Supply and demand works almost like a real economy.

And the best part, everything has a value for someone. You can earn just as good gold as a new player in lower level zones, as anywhere. Mats, herbs, traits etc.

" -Everything is worth what a purchaser is willing to pay for it".

Merchant addon is good, but wits and greed is better!

Thanks ZoS for holding firm on no damn AH.

Sausage

Players have complained about empty zones or ghost towns, one purpose for Guild Auction Houses was to increase zone activity. I think current guilds are way too big and so not all spots are taken, they should lower the member size of trade guilds so more spots are taken, so zone activity should increase as well.

Zerok

I hate it because it's a big loss of time when you're searching for something specific.

I know some people love losing their time, but that's their prerogative. Forcing it on everyone seems wrong.

Cogo

Steelriver wrote: »

This way they have trade is the worst system I have ever seen. Its worse then EQ 1 when it has all traders standing in a cave in the middle of no where. Who thought that putting traders all over creation was a good idea? Also once then main traders get established no one can really out bid them. But the real problem is that you have to spend hours traveling around trying to find decent prices and the items you want. I have stopped using them.

West commonlands was not a trade system. It was 100% player and community run.

Only with Plane of Power and those !"!"#!!" Auction zone, with traders and addon that scanned everything, ruined EQ economy.

There are always traders who someone did not bid on. You have to find them if you want a cheap trader for 100 gold. Or bid the price you think would win a specific trader, which very hugely on location.

Effort = Reward

Zone chat works well to buy and sell in. You have to pay higher for the lazyness though :-p.
Lazy players are my best customers!

Steelriver

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

Zerok

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

Yep.

The current system rewards the players who have the most playtime.

Saucy_Jack

The only thing a global auction house means is a race to the bottom in terms of price. THIS person's selling whatever for 25g each, so THAT person lists it for 24g each. Rinse and repeat that until a) people are selling it for something stupid like 2g each, and then b) someone rich enough can buy up allll the whatevers, and price them back at 25g each. Rinse and repeat THAT ad infinitum.

The problem with this is that in the first cycle - the race to the bottom - while it's good for buyers, it's terrible for producers, and if it takes too long to gather whatevers just so they can only sell them at 5g, then they won't; it's not worth their time. You could say "well, other people will pick up the slack because a sale is a sale", but if you're wasting loads of time just to make a 5g sale, you have no life and no concept of a cost/benefit analysis.

In the second cycle - where one guy buys all the stock - it's only profitable for that guy buying up all the whatevers, but then you have QQ threads saying that "so and so's involved in price fixing - whatevers are only worth 2g each but this guy's trying to drive up prices!" (Meaning, the buyer only wants to PAY 2g each, not that the whatevers are actually WORTH 2g each.)

Oh wait, we already have QQ threads about that regarding guilds.

TL;DR: People will whine about whatever system's in place until they get a super good deal on something at which point they'll turn around and be like "hehehehe I totally picked that up for a song".

k9mouse

Zerok wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

Yep.

The current system rewards the players who have the most playtime.

..as it should be.

Sausage

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

So what you suggest? Global Auction Houses, where one buy that 5k item, and put it back there but with 20k price tag.

Cogo

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

My guild is a smaller size and not a trade guild. We have a trader most times.
And yes, prices are not set, and most items anyone can get on their own. Effort = Reward.

I guess you don't buy jewelry for AP? :-p
Or try to get into a trade guild?

I am not trying to be a smartass, but you are kinda proving why the trader system works :-p.

Steelriver

Sausage wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

So what you suggest? Global Auction Houses, where one buy that 5k item, and put it back there but with 20k price tag.

No put all the traders in one area or something. They are to random and spread out. Or at least all in specific areas in major towns. Middle of the swamp or desert what good does that do if basically no one ever sees them?

TheBull

I love it.

Zerok

Sausage wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

So what you suggest? Global Auction Houses, where one buy that 5k item, and put it back there but with 20k price tag.

This is a false argument, because it would be so easy for the developpers to include built-in antitrust laws within the trading system.

No, I feel the real reason for guild traders is to force everybody to play more. Thus, this gives a clear advantage to people with the most playtime.

KewaG

Master Merchant Addon helps you keep track of current rates and provides good pricing info and can easily be turned off when your not using it. Also, you can ask people in your guild or friends to help out by making purchases while you are away, if they see any deals, and paying them when you get online. I've done this before.

Sausage

Steelriver wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

So what you suggest? Global Auction Houses, where one buy that 5k item, and put it back there but with 20k price tag.

No put all the traders in one area or something. They are to random and spread out. Or at least all in specific areas in major towns. Middle of the swamp or desert what good does that do if basically no one ever sees them?

If they arent in different zones, new players cry all zones are empty and think the game is dead and quit. This is exactly the reason why I think we need Tamriel's Holidays to boost zone activity.

Steelriver

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

The only thing a global auction house means is a race to the bottom in terms of price. THIS person's selling whatever for 25g each, so THAT person lists it for 24g each. Rinse and repeat that until a) people are selling it for something stupid like 2g each, and then b) someone rich enough can buy up allll the whatevers, and price them back at 25g each. Rinse and repeat THAT ad infinitum.

The problem with this is that in the first cycle - the race to the bottom - while it's good for buyers, it's terrible for producers, and if it takes too long to gather whatevers just so they can only sell them at 5g, then they won't; it's not worth their time. You could say "well, other people will pick up the slack because a sale is a sale", but if you're wasting loads of time just to make a 5g sale, you have no life and no concept of a cost/benefit analysis.

In the second cycle - where one guy buys all the stock - it's only profitable for that guy buying up all the whatevers, but then you have QQ threads saying that "so and so's involved in price fixing - whatevers are only worth 2g each but this guy's trying to drive up prices!" (Meaning, the buyer only wants to PAY 2g each, not that the whatevers are actually WORTH 2g each.)

Oh wait, we already have QQ threads about that regarding guilds.

TL;DR: People will whine about whatever system's in place until they get a super good deal on something at which point they'll turn around and be like "hehehehe I totally picked that up for a song".

I do not care about a super good deal I just want to find stuff in a timely manner. Not to have to travel all over creation and write down prices of everyone or go through inventory after inventory to find set pieces.

Elsonso

Zerok wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

Yep.

The current system rewards the players who have the most playtime.

You say this like it is a bad thing. The whole game should be like this.

Effort = Reward ( to parrot @Cogo )

Steelriver

lordrichter wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

Yep.

The current system rewards the players who have the most playtime.

You say this like it is a bad thing. The whole game should be like this.

Effort = Reward ( to parrot @Cogo )

If you have no life.

Cogo

Zerok wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

So what you suggest? Global Auction Houses, where one buy that 5k item, and put it back there but with 20k price tag.

No, I feel the real reason for guild traders is to increase gameplay for everybody. Thus, this gives a clear advantage to players who does anything.

Fixed it for you! Making you play more in the game you play! How rude!

Btw, enjoying a MMO with no goldfarmers or spam sellers?

AH would destroy a huge part of game play, and bring those lovely spammers here.

Any solo player can find most things, fairly easy. It's matter of skill :-p. (Sorry, no addon for personal skill....you earn that).
Poke me in game and I can give you some jewelry. Feel bad for you.

BabeestorGor

Works ok, could do with more outlets.

Steelriver

I should say it may be better on PC I am on console PS4. I don't know what addons and stuff yall have on there.

anitajoneb17_ESO

***Summoning @Gidorick *** It's time for Auction Horse to get some fresh air

DRXHarbinger

Buying and reselling happens now still. I put up 2x fort nirncruxs for 15k and they sold instantly. Back for sale in my same guild store but for 10k each. Happens with all mats. Rosins are now stupid money.

Steelriver

Cogo wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

Yeah they are great if you are a trader that is in a good trading guild. But its sucks if you are a guy with about a hour a or two a day to play trying to find a set of jewelry....Its a horrible system and the prices are in no way "set" by anyone they are random as hell. Something may be 5k on one trader and 20k on another.

So what you suggest? Global Auction Houses, where one buy that 5k item, and put it back there but with 20k price tag.

No, I feel the real reason for guild traders is to increase gameplay for everybody. Thus, this gives a clear advantage to players who does anything.

Fixed it for you! Making you play more in the game you play! How rude!

Btw, enjoying a MMO with no goldfarmers or spam sellers?

AH would destroy a huge part of game play, and bring those lovely spammers here.

Any solo player can find most things, fairly easy. It's matter of skill :-p. (Sorry, no addon for personal skill....you earn that).
Poke me in game and I can give you some jewelry. Feel bad for you.

Don't really want an AH want a way to look through what all the traders are selling them they tell you the location they are in to go get it. Or put them in the major cities in central locations.
Or they could just add jewelry making

icontested

Aliens

Elsonso

Steelriver wrote: »

I should say it may be better on PC I am on console PS4. I don't know what addons and stuff yall have on there.

Yeah, guild traders are in serious need of help on the console. A better search system is needed. This is a case where "good enough" isn't.

KewaG

Steelriver wrote: »

I should say it may be better on PC I am on console PS4. I don't know what addons and stuff yall have on there.

Ahh, thats troublesome...They are talking about allowing addons on console. Hopefully they make your lives easier. I can't live without my addons.

Steelriver

lordrichter wrote: »

Steelriver wrote: »

I should say it may be better on PC I am on console PS4. I don't know what addons and stuff yall have on there.

Yeah, guild traders are in serious need of help on the console. A better search system is needed. This is a case where "good enough" isn't.

They have improved it some. They need to add text chat so you can ask in major zone for stuff you are looking.