Best Race/Class Combos for PVP

Blud

What are some of the best synergies for various types of pvp play styles based on race, class and focus on magicka or stamina builds?

PhatGrimReaper

Anything Orc = Win!!!

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Magicka Sorc -> Altmer (Breton)
Magicka Templar -> Breton (Altmer)
Magicka DK -> Dunmer (Altmer/Breton)
Magicka NB -> Breton (Altmer)

Stamina Sorc -> Orc/Imperial
Stamina Templar -> Imperial
Stamina DK -> Orc/Imperial (Nord)
Stamina NB -> Imperial/Woodelf/Khajiit

These are the combinations Id go for

PhatGrimReaper

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Magicka Sorc -> Altmer (Breton)
Magicka Templar -> Breton (Altmer)
Magicka DK -> Dunmer (Altmer/Breton)
Magicka NB -> Breton (Altmer)

Stamina Sorc -> Orc/Imperial
Stamina Templar -> Imperial
Stamina DK -> Orc/Imperial (Nord)
Stamina NB -> Imperial/Woodelf/Khajiit

These are the combinations Id go for

Magicka DK -> Orc!!!!!

CyrusArya

Well, this is probably obvious but high elf magicka sorcerer has some pretty amazing synergy. Almost as if it were by design.... . IMO the best race/class/play style combo in the game. Sorc likes to stack magicka, high elf has a 10% modifier. Sorc adds % regen, altmer adds % regen. Sorc has lots of shock damage, high elf is the only class to get a general elemental damage buff. Literally every single high elf passive lends itself to magicka sorc.

Another really strong synergy is redguard stamina night blade. There's the obvious aspects of this like the max stamina and the double % regen bonus. But what's really amazing about this build is adrenaline rush + siphoning strikes. Both return stamina on basic weapon attacks, and lead to red guard night blade having arguably the best stam sustain in the game. Wood elf has massive regen, sure. But redguard's sustain can be actively controlled in a very engaging manner rather than being just passive ticking regen, and this can be very useful in a pinch. I think this is the coolest racial/active skill synergy in the game.

I really like how zos took the lore of high elves and redguards being the most proficient magical/stamina users and fleshed it out in game.

A final worthy mention is dark elf magicka dk, cus Fire damage.

These are all very obvious synergies but powerful none the less. I'm keen on hearing any lesser known synergies people may have discovered.

Lava_Croft

There used to be a really good synergy between Argonians and Nightblades, but since Argonians were overpowered this was changed.

xarguideb17_ESO

If you put the following words in the same sentence, the sentence won't even make sense: magicka, dk, pvp.

Lava_Croft

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

If you put the following words in the same sentence, the sentence won't even make sense: magicka, dk, pvp.

That made too much sense for well over a year, but I guess those times are easily forgotten by some.

Blud

Lava_Croft wrote: »

There used to be a really good synergy between Argonians and Nightblades, but since Argonians were overpowered this was changed.

Yep, I have a VR9 Argonian alchemist NB. I love Argonians. Hope the passives get another look.

Blud

CyrusArya wrote: »

These are all very obvious synergies but powerful none the less. I'm keen on hearing any lesser known synergies people may have discovered.

Thanks for the write up on what you've found. This is what I'm interested in as well.

I have some older toons, but I'm thinking of starting some new ones now that I'm a bit older and wiser. I know you can roll Imperial for pretty much anything, but I've always liked to roll the less human classes: Argonians, Khajit, Orc. Imperial, Altmer, and Breton, while having great passives, seem so boring (why I don't usually roll human characters if I can avoid it). At the same time, I don't want to be seriously gimped just for appearances.

Turelus

Argonian Sorcerer

Olen_Mikko

I can give tips for nightblades:

Stamina burst DPS:
- Wood elf (racial bonus to increased damage from stealth)
- Khajiit (racial bonus to increased damage from stealth)

Stamina build with resource management:
- Wood elf (awesome regen)
- Imperial (10% max stamina + health bonus)
- Redguard (10% max stamina and 9% regen)

Magicka builds:
- Altmer (10% max magicka and 9% magicka regen)
- Breton (10% max magicka and 3% reduced magicka cost)
- Dunmer (9% max magicka and 6% max stamina)

Strider_Roshin

Orcs and Nords are the top two races for PvP in my opinion. I'm a Nord Nightblade, and my survivability in PvP is excellent.

Cogo

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Anything Orc = Win!!!

What he said.

Seriously though:
Every effect in the game is available to all players from global sources.
Race and class matters just as much as any global skill, buffs, CPs, Food buffs, potions or effects.

Orc suits me, but I would do far better as sorcerer then DK, with the same build and play style. Overload is silly OP. (My play style). Argonian race would increase my effectiveness tons, since I drink potions like mad.

Orc speeds me up and scares the hell out of enemies! Looks is by far the most important skill!

Tomato

Stamina NB - wood elf
Magica Sorc - high elf

Gamerscape2007

I know people think Argonian are one of the weakest in terms of racial passives, but I was satisfied with my Argonian magicka nightblade sap tank during pts. The health boost can let me put more points into my hp, and while the healing received passive seems weak, it does add up if you focus on increasing it. Honest to god, I fell in love with it.

Honestly, It's one of the most Versatile build I had. It can be a healer, a tank, and dps at the same time, and I'd never have to worry about my resource thanks to Siphoning attack. I'm thinking of making it an pvx build. I'll find out once I hit vr 16 and have enough Cp.

I might even post this build on the forums if I have the time.

allen-iverson

any stam build - redguard op imo

any magicka build. using a destro staff - high elf imo

PhatGrimReaper

allen-iverson wrote: »

any stam build - redguard op imo

any magicka build. using a destro staff - high elf imo

Even DK?.... Marginal call I reckon.

Jsmalls

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

If you put the following words in the same sentence, the sentence won't even make sense: magicka, dk, pvp.

Challenge accepted.

That Magicka Sorcerer keeps wrecking that DK in PvP.

Dakrana_Thrazvoth

With a good build , races are not important.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Vâo wrote: »

With a good build , races are not important.

but a good race makes a good build even better

Bashev

Best combos in the current meta are:
Woodelf - NB (Stamina build)
Highelf - Sorc (Magicka build)

Strider_Roshin

Bashev wrote: »

Best combos in the current meta are:
Woodelf - NB (Stamina build)
Highelf - Sorc (Magicka build)

I fight the current meta all the time, and you'll notice a huge damage discrepancy between the damage their doing to my Nord Nightblade, and the damage I'm doing to them :-)

dday3six

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Best combos in the current meta are:
Woodelf - NB (Stamina build)
Highelf - Sorc (Magicka build)

I fight the current meta all the time, and you'll notice a huge damage discrepancy between the damage their doing to my Nord Nightblade, and the damage I'm doing to them :-)

Increases in stamina or magicka tend to outscale damage resistances. 1000 points of either resource is roughly a 3% increase in dps. And it all factors in with crits, attacks from stealth and so on.

Flat increases to either resource are favored because they interact with more areas than just lowering damage you receive as well.

Strider_Roshin

dday3six wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Best combos in the current meta are:
Woodelf - NB (Stamina build)
Highelf - Sorc (Magicka build)

I fight the current meta all the time, and you'll notice a huge damage discrepancy between the damage their doing to my Nord Nightblade, and the damage I'm doing to them :-)

Increases in stamina or magicka tend to outscale damage resistances. 1000 points of either resource is roughly a 3% increase in dps. And it all factors in with crits, attacks from stealth and so on.

Flat increases to either resource are favored because they interact with more areas than just lowering damage you receive as well.

Not really. Me and my cousin are both Nightblades. He's an imperial, and I'm a Nord, and with him having 10% more stamina than me; the damage output difference is around 3.4%

Not significant, but I know it is useful. Now we've already concluded that those two races are about on par even it comes to PvE (the imperial may be slightly better in PvE for the extra damage). However in PvP, my Nord outshines his imperial with the 6% damage mitigation, and health regeneration.

The reason being is because in PvP your damage and healing is cut in half; but your damage mitigation and health regeneration is not :-)

Since both him and I are PvP focused, he is planning on changing his race to a Nord when the option is available. Just because something is "the meta" doesn't mean it's best. It's the same thing with mauls. Everyone thinks they're better than the greatsword, but they're not if you apply major fracture.

dday3six

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Best combos in the current meta are:
Woodelf - NB (Stamina build)
Highelf - Sorc (Magicka build)

I fight the current meta all the time, and you'll notice a huge damage discrepancy between the damage their doing to my Nord Nightblade, and the damage I'm doing to them :-)

Increases in stamina or magicka tend to outscale damage resistances. 1000 points of either resource is roughly a 3% increase in dps. And it all factors in with crits, attacks from stealth and so on.

Flat increases to either resource are favored because they interact with more areas than just lowering damage you receive as well.

Not really. Me and my cousin are both Nightblades. He's an imperial, and I'm a Nord, and with him having 10% more stamina than me; the damage output difference is around 3.4%

Not significant, but I know it is useful. Now we've already concluded that those two races are about on par even it comes to PvE (the imperial may be slightly better in PvE for the extra damage). However in PvP, my Nord outshines his imperial with the 6% damage mitigation, and health regeneration.

The reason being is because in PvP your damage and healing is cut in half; but your damage mitigation and health regeneration is not :-)

Since both him and I are PvP focused, he is planning on changing his race to a Nord when the option is available. Just because something is "the meta" doesn't mean it's best. It's the same thing with mauls. Everyone thinks they're better than the greatsword, but they're not if you apply major fracture.

You've tested this on console? 3.4% seems rather low, and oddly specific on a platform which lacks parsers, or even combat text. Are you simply looking at the difference in tooltip damage? If so that is not a wholly accurate measure of dps. What method did you use to obtain that figure?

In a long enough fight the 6% damage resistance might come into play. But in the typical 15s or less pvp encounter, it's not apt to add up to the difference between 4 hits vs 5 hits meaning death. Even when factoring in increased heath regen, at what roughly 1.2k every 2s (assuming drink usage) it's still a small gain you've traded for.

Also unlike a health regen. Stamina (or Magicka for that matter) racial increases continue to benefit from CP points in the corresponding constellations regardless of placement.

Strider_Roshin

We compare the strength of our Surprise Attack since its the primary single target move we use. And just to clarify, in PvE the damage mitigation isn't that huge. Relatively speaking however; that 6% is more like 12% since damage is cut in half in PvP. As far as the health recovery goes; with most fights it's not necessary. When I'm doing 1vX it's excellent for maintaining my health, and against exceptionally good PvPers it could mean the difference between winning and losing.

dday3six

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We compare the strength of our Surprise Attack since its the primary single target move we use. And just to clarify, in PvE the damage mitigation isn't that huge. Relatively speaking however; that 6% is more like 12% since damage is cut in half in PvP. As far as the health recovery goes; with most fights it's not necessary. When I'm doing 1vX it's excellent for maintaining my health, and against exceptionally good PvPers it could mean the difference between winning and losing.

As I stated that is not a wholly accurate way to measure. Both of you light attack weave correct? Well the damage of light attacks with stamina based weapons (basically anything not a staff) scales with your max stamina.

Reference: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat

Strider_Roshin

dday3six wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We compare the strength of our Surprise Attack since its the primary single target move we use. And just to clarify, in PvE the damage mitigation isn't that huge. Relatively speaking however; that 6% is more like 12% since damage is cut in half in PvP. As far as the health recovery goes; with most fights it's not necessary. When I'm doing 1vX it's excellent for maintaining my health, and against exceptionally good PvPers it could mean the difference between winning and losing.

As I stated that is not a wholly accurate way to measure. Both of you light attack weave correct? Well the damage of light attacks with stamina based weapons (basically anything not a staff) scales with your max stamina.

Reference: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Combat

Even if there is a more significant difference between the damage of our light attacks, it's a light attack... It's still an insignificant difference. In Cyrodiil however, the damage mitigation of the Nord is significant, and the damage difference in very insignificant. This is why in PvP I can hit people very hard, whereas the damage dealt to me is laughable.

Strider_Roshin

The main point I'm trying to emphasize is that Imperials, Bosmers, and Redguards would be a little better of a choice than a Nord for DPS in PvE. In PvP however, I'd rather have a Nord.

dday3six

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The main point I'm trying to emphasize is that Imperials, Bosmers, and Redguards would be a little better of a choice than a Nord for DPS in PvE. In PvP however, I'd rather have a Nord.

At this point I think you chose a Nord because you wanted to chose a Nord.There is nothing wrong with that. It get that you want to go against the grain but trying to pass of the difference between a Nord vs a Redguard or Imperial as little in PVE is incorrect. The dps difference hovers at about 12%.

Nevertheless I find it bewildering that you can claim the damage from light attacks is insignificant when I'd wager that you don't even know the average damage they deal.