Dear Zoz Devs

Slaxis

I find it extremely funny that you all have a lot of time on your hands to come on the forums and shut down threads and leave code of conduct messages. Yet none you address the problems going on in CYRO. Nor do you give us any lead about what issues are going to fixed or that you at least give a dam about the issues we all bring up. Speaking from running PVP guilds in this so called mass pvp game you intended it to be not once have I see action to anything that is going on. I guess all your meeting with trade guilds is panning out well...or NOT...cause I still cant stack crap in my guild back without taking it out and doing it manually (hopefully im just not the noob who don't know how to). You all should really get your priorities straight and get the right people looking at these forum post cause right now this game is a crap show.

Hootnannius

Agree. Unless your solution to lag in Cyrodil is to drive away most of the players, you've got a real problem!

Airyus

Thinking constructively...would making IC it's own instance, thus effectively removing population from Cyrodiil proper, help the lag problem at peak times?

Ah, who am I kidding, it's not like this thread will be read thoroughly and considered by developers anyway.

Slaxis

I think people have said the problems in pvp with at least 1000 posts. We've all gave our opinions about solutions since we are the mass that are playing every night dealing with the issues. All I would like is a honest response that they know of the issues and actions they are gonna take to fix them.

Lyrander

just wanna mention:

since the new DLC is out - i havnt played it ones! i havnt even been there!
i bought a bear mount though...guess that makes ZOS happy.


yea... i dont care for the new DLC. Its only more PVE stuff.
Not that thats bad - its just: IC is already more pve. new dungeons and all (that i like - dont get me wrong)


But since the start of the game i have never seen a really good pvp update
Where is the content for that?


PS: Bank and Inventory are ridiculous. I am not a crafter have only ONE main character (and one other that i play from time to time) and i still have no space. Nowhere. Dont create so many sets and trophys and materials and upgrade stuff and food and drinks and potions if you dont gimme the space that i need for it! Why do i have to throw stuff away? Why are you forcing me to join *banking* guilds or *crafting* guilds? thats so stupid.


Gimme 5 more guildslots then. Trading and Crafting Guilds only.

TY

Psilent

Slaxis wrote: »

I find it extremely funny that you all have a lot of time on your hands to come on the forums and shut down threads and leave code of conduct messages. Yet none you address the problems going on in CYRO. Nor do you give us any lead about what issues are going to fixed or that you at least give a dam about the issues we all bring up. Speaking from running PVP guilds in this so called mass pvp game you intended it to be not once have I see action to anything that is going on. I guess all your meeting with trade guilds is panning out well...or NOT...cause I still cant stack crap in my guild back without taking it out and doing it manually (hopefully im just not the noob who don't know how to). You all should really get your priorities straight and get the right people looking at these forum post cause right now this game is a crap show.

There is more to Zenimax Online Studios than just the PvP department. Moderators coming into the forums to close threads and keep order are most likely a part of customer support or some other department and cannot respond on PvP performance issues. Why? Most likely because they don't know anything or if they do, they are not allowed at the risk of losing their job.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler has been posting in several topics as of late to update us on the current status of Cyrodiil. I will link them below for you to read at your leisure.

@Rylana wrote a very nice thread that got a lot of attention from the developers.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230235/two-years-of-eso-pvp-rylanas-comments-for-zos/p1

@RinaldoGandolphi has a well written thread that has caught the attention of Brian Wheeler.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231522/a-suggested-change-to-keep-and-resources/p1

@Wrobel created a forum account and is now reaching out to the player base in the Combat & Character Mechanics forum.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231384/greetings-eso-forum-posters/p1

He will also be creating threads in the next week or so regarding AoE Caps and different skills in the game.

Here is a link to an AUA on reddit with the developers, sadly Brian Wheeler was not a part of this AUA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3thlqh/welcome_to_the_elder_scrolls_online_orsinium_aua/

In a recent incremental patch a few abilities were changed to help out with PvP performance.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230084/pc-mac-live-patch-notes-v2-2-5#latest

They are working on it; what exactly do you want? They are communicating.

k9mouse

One can not be a pack rat...

Way back during launch days, there was a guild bank exploit that uses stacking. To stop the exploit, ZOS disable auto gbank stacking. A simple fix to use an addon, like Rumba, for example to solve the stacking issue in the gbank.

Slaxis

@k9mouse Ty!!

@Psilent If that's what you call it but seriously how long have we been playing with this for the last 2 major updates. They are putting out just enough to entertain people like you but what have they actually done to fix the pvp end of the game that hasn't turned for the worse or mad it easy mode. I read the patch notes I read the threads and it says nothing to the issues at hand. @wrobel mad an account what a month ago max while the game has been out how long or the issues been happening for how long. I like everyone else want this game to be what it can and I think that is why we are saying "enough is enough fix the game" no more bs. Seeing to many good people walk away from the game because of the lack of attention Zos is giving it.

Elloa

Thanks @Psilent for your clear, fair, constructive answer!

Psilent

Slaxis wrote: »

@k9mouse Ty!!

@Psilent If that's what you call it but seriously how long have we been playing with this for the last 2 major updates. They are putting out just enough to entertain people like you but what have they actually done to fix the pvp end of the game that hasn't turned for the worse or mad it easy mode. I read the patch notes I read the threads and it says nothing to the issues at hand. @wrobel mad an account what a month ago max while the game has been out how long or the issues been happening for how long. I like everyone else want this game to be what it can and I think that is why we are saying "enough is enough fix the game" no more bs. Seeing to many good people walk away from the game because of the lack of attention Zos is giving it.

@Slaxis I've been playing this game for as long as you and I agree 100% with you in that I want a lag free 30+ fps Cyrodiil. However, I have a feeling that if fixing it was as simple as disabling Dragonleap/Meteor/Steel Tornado/Healing Springs or rolling back the infamous lighting patch, they would have done so a long time ago. Which tells me the issue is way more complex than anything we can think of here on the forums.

Last night Guild of Shadows went over to Azura's Star and was primarily focused on DC. Found myself fighting at Fort Rayles, a Fort I hardly ever visit, while another battle of EP/DC was happening at Glademist. Follow this up with another battle of EP/AD at BRK and AD at Kingscrest. Those encounters were pretty spread out, since the fight at Glademist was only about 20 or so EP because a majority of EP were at BRK defending. Even with skirmishes all around the map, my ping was still hovering around 450 to 799 the entire night. This indicates to me a much larger issue than fighting on all the resources around a keep or setting group size to 12.

To be honest, I don't know what is causing the latency and fps drops. I, like you, was very frustrated with Zenimax's lack of communication, but in the last few weeks we have gotten a lot of responses from Brian Wheeler and now Wrobel is involved. At least now we know they are reading our posts and talking with us about ideas floating around the discussion tables.

Winnamine

Slaxis wrote: »

I find it extremely funny that you all have a lot of time on your hands to come on the forums and shut down threads and leave code of conduct messages. Yet none you address the problems going on in CYRO. Nor do you give us any lead about what issues are going to fixed or that you at least give a dam about the issues we all bring up. Speaking from running PVP guilds in this so called mass pvp game you intended it to be not once have I see action to anything that is going on. I guess all your meeting with trade guilds is panning out well...or NOT...cause I still cant stack crap in my guild back without taking it out and doing it manually (hopefully im just not the noob who don't know how to). You all should really get your priorities straight and get the right people looking at these forum post cause right now this game is a crap show.

Agree they need to fix things but...
I don't think the forum moderators are the same people who write code for Cyrodiil. I have a feeling those are different people doing different jobs.
And the guild bank stacking thing probably won't change, it used to stack, but people were using it to dupe items (not sure how), so they changed the guild banks to not auto-stack as an anti-duping measure. There is, however, an addon that will stack everything for you.

Slaxis

You guys are right it is not the moderators fault so I should of worded the title different. But I'm sure they speak with the higher up staff about what's on the forums. @Psilent you are correct in saying this might be something more complex then I know of and I understand that. What I want is direct answers to the issues, fill us in with what's intended to fix the issues and really speak with the pvp guild leaders about the issues. The problems have been going on way to long at at least keep us informed with possible fixes and asking our feedback.

krim

I think hes trying to say that they should work on their game as hard as they moderate their forums. Oh and Brian Wheeler is the wrong guy we should be hearing from. The combat team you never hear from.

Teargrants

Airyus wrote: »

Thinking constructively...would making IC it's own instance, thus effectively removing population from Cyrodiil proper, help the lag problem at peak times?

Ah, who am I kidding, it's not like this thread will be read thoroughly and considered by developers anyway.

It already is it's own instance and does that. Nobody goes in IC though because there's no more reason to anymore.

dRudE

I think until the cyrodiil lag is sorted the game must state "Big battles at severe loss of performance".

Teargrants

Still waiting for my

hundreds of players on screen at once in an open world fight for control of Cyrodiil.

caeliusstarbreaker

I seriously can't be the only person who sees ZoS' responses and thinks, "yea, cool.... I've read this 15 times in two years... Where are the results? What have you been doing all this time? Did dear go to heaven after they died? Is there perhaps a Savior Dear, sent here to die for all dear-sin? Does this explain why there were confirmed sightings of flying dear after they were taken from Cyrodiil before their time? Do we call him Dear Christ? Has judgement day passed, and we are stuck in Puraga-diil while ZoS' people still say they are working on a fix? Has Wroebel really not had a forum account this long? What really happened in that lighting patch that they are not telling us?"

Or maybe it's just me

Anazasi

Psilent wrote: »

Slaxis wrote: »

@k9mouse Ty!!

@Psilent If that's what you call it but seriously how long have we been playing with this for the last 2 major updates. They are putting out just enough to entertain people like you but what have they actually done to fix the pvp end of the game that hasn't turned for the worse or mad it easy mode. I read the patch notes I read the threads and it says nothing to the issues at hand. @wrobel mad an account what a month ago max while the game has been out how long or the issues been happening for how long. I like everyone else want this game to be what it can and I think that is why we are saying "enough is enough fix the game" no more bs. Seeing to many good people walk away from the game because of the lack of attention Zos is giving it.

@Slaxis I've been playing this game for as long as you and I agree 100% with you in that I want a lag free 30+ fps Cyrodiil. However, I have a feeling that if fixing it was as simple as disabling Dragonleap/Meteor/Steel Tornado/Healing Springs or rolling back the infamous lighting patch, they would have done so a long time ago. Which tells me the issue is way more complex than anything we can think of here on the forums.

Last night Guild of Shadows went over to Azura's Star and was primarily focused on DC. Found myself fighting at Fort Rayles, a Fort I hardly ever visit, while another battle of EP/DC was happening at Glademist. Follow this up with another battle of EP/AD at BRK and AD at Kingscrest. Those encounters were pretty spread out, since the fight at Glademist was only about 20 or so EP because a majority of EP were at BRK defending. Even with skirmishes all around the map, my ping was still hovering around 450 to 799 the entire night. This indicates to me a much larger issue than fighting on all the resources around a keep or setting group size to 12.

To be honest, I don't know what is causing the latency and fps drops. I, like you, was very frustrated with Zenimax's lack of communication, but in the last few weeks we have gotten a lot of responses from Brian Wheeler and now Wrobel is involved. At least now we know they are reading our posts and talking with us about ideas floating around the discussion tables.

If anyone recalls the maintenance that took place right before the last DLC Or*** was released. Well guess what, that seems to have been more of a failure than they realized. Lets look at the last 2 major changes that have happened. 1. Lag as we call it use to be server side, Right. Well they changed that to client side recently. I much rather preferred to have the lag on server. Why you might ask? well look at what is happening now. Players are disconnecting when their machines cant handle it. The server is constantly dropping their connection because it thinks the lag they are in is a offline status. Bad move ZOS once again you found a short cut without thinking about the parity necessary for open world PVP. Now the last update that had the game offline not once but twice. No one knows what that maintenance was for but we all know what happened with performance yet again. Seriously ZOS needs to get it together.

LazyLewis

WTB More Campaigns. Oh wait. We have more and everyone plays on the same one

Airyus

Teargrants wrote: »

Airyus wrote: »

Thinking constructively...would making IC it's own instance, thus effectively removing population from Cyrodiil proper, help the lag problem at peak times?

Ah, who am I kidding, it's not like this thread will be read thoroughly and considered by developers anyway.

It already is it's own instance and does that. Nobody goes in IC though because there's no more reason to anymore.

Is it? It's my understanding that the population indicator for a campaign includes players from both Cyrodiil and IC. For example, if i'm in the Azura campaign, i will contribute to the population weather I'm in Cyro or IC. Is that correct?

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

Do you honestly think the people moderating the forums are the same that are writing/fixing code?

Grow up.

Slaxis

Do you honestly think they all don't get together for meeting to discuss things on these foruns?

Dear

I wish that there was an option to express disapproval of threads or comments.

OGLezard

Psilent wrote: »

Slaxis wrote: »

I find it extremely funny that you all have a lot of time on your hands to come on the forums and shut down threads and leave code of conduct messages. Yet none you address the problems going on in CYRO. Nor do you give us any lead about what issues are going to fixed or that you at least give a dam about the issues we all bring up. Speaking from running PVP guilds in this so called mass pvp game you intended it to be not once have I see action to anything that is going on. I guess all your meeting with trade guilds is panning out well...or NOT...cause I still cant stack crap in my guild back without taking it out and doing it manually (hopefully im just not the noob who don't know how to). You all should really get your priorities straight and get the right people looking at these forum post cause right now this game is a crap show.

There is more to Zenimax Online Studios than just the PvP department. Moderators coming into the forums to close threads and keep order are most likely a part of customer support or some other department and cannot respond on PvP performance issues. Why? Most likely because they don't know anything or if they do, they are not allowed at the risk of losing their job.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler has been posting in several topics as of late to update us on the current status of Cyrodiil. I will link them below for you to read at your leisure.

@Rylana wrote a very nice thread that got a lot of attention from the developers.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230235/two-years-of-eso-pvp-rylanas-comments-for-zos/p1

@RinaldoGandolphi has a well written thread that has caught the attention of Brian Wheeler.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231522/a-suggested-change-to-keep-and-resources/p1

@Wrobel created a forum account and is now reaching out to the player base in the Combat & Character Mechanics forum.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231384/greetings-eso-forum-posters/p1

He will also be creating threads in the next week or so regarding AoE Caps and different skills in the game.

Here is a link to an AUA on reddit with the developers, sadly Brian Wheeler was not a part of this AUA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3thlqh/welcome_to_the_elder_scrolls_online_orsinium_aua/

In a recent incremental patch a few abilities were changed to help out with PvP performance.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230084/pc-mac-live-patch-notes-v2-2-5#latest

They are working on it; what exactly do you want? They are communicating.

TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Eric Wrobel has ZERO clue what is going on with combat and mechanics and it is so f-ing clear about that fact(quote "if you stand in wall of elements you MELT" - Eric Wrobel Eso Live) <---- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH). Brian also said that "exploiters beware your time has come" and well.....exploiters are still here doing their thing. So where were you going with this? ZoS does not fix anything, they bandage it and hope no one notices that the bandaid fell off........

I mean look at the gear for *** sake..... no one uses 5 pieces bonuses unless it is like 4 select sets..... people only care about min/maxing with 2/3/4 set bonuses. If you go 5 set or try to get creative you are so far behind that you can not compete in pvp.

Then you have to deal with horrible RNG mixed with BoP..... so fun much wow!

darock55

Lol Slaxis and everyone, you should all know that these morons don't give 2 cents about our opinions or about fixing the game. Google Search This: Elder Scrolls Online Reviews. There is Not ONE DECENT REVIEW of this game, and every review cites the poor pvp performance.

Bottom line: Every Dev involved with overseeing this game's performance, and the noob programmers who wrote the horrible code should lose their job. Hell I tool computer programming 25 years ago and I bet on the obsolete languages I learned I have more knowledge than these pathetic excuses of programmers ZoS has hired.

And they don't give a damn so guess what: As soon as Camelot Unchained comes out, I am done, and I bet 90% of all the players are done. ZoS going out of business will be the only way anyone can get through to these bunch of jokers.

JDar

Slaxis farming agrees like he farms DC

JacksonCarter13

I've been saying this for like 2 years now they haven't cared and have no intentions if fixing and or improving their game. They have investors, they have no intention of continuing this game past a certain determined point. It's about the money they will pump out a few more dlc's not add any real content or PVP and let the game die because they made their money. Welcome to gaming companies in the 21st century. I go from game to game seeing the same damn things and you just always hope someone is going to step up and fix it. but it's already too late for zos. GG