VMA Scoring

Gilliamtherogue

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Something seems buggy or am I missing something @ZOS_Finn



This had 5 deaths and 12-14 Sigils were used. Shouldn't this be a 420k+ Score? Judging from what other people have told me their times were. Feels like a lot of my runs don't add up. With that time judging from all the math I would've had to use 30 Sigils for that score to be less than my current one. I used the spreadsheet and my score should've been 440,423 with 14 sigils. Unless I'm doing it wrong? Is there a death penalty we are missing?

I'm only assuming but I'm guessing in my latest run it bugged out and I didn't get the point bonus for completing under 1.5 hours? Do we know exactly what the time bonus would be so I can add it to my final score

My last run was 0 sigils used, 5 deaths in 1 hour 29 minutes and a few second and my score is 381,367 which means the math works perfectly(minus the 15K bug) and that there is no death penalty.

Don't forget you get penalized more than 750 points per sigil the further go past 1:30.

14 Sigils used means you final score is 370500 + ( 370,500 * (5400-3953) /10000) = 424,111

If I had to guess I'd say whatever addon is reporting your completion time is wrong on the time you took to complete it. You lose ~40 points per second so I'd say you completion time had to be closer to 1 hour 15 minutes.

@Ezareth
Addon is raditimer by garkin, it just keeps a timer and adds your score to it at the end doesn't do any calculating at the moment

That time was also displayed at the end, I wasn't wrong about the time neither was the addon I just screenshot it a bit late. Addon also gets the time right every single run I do. I'm just going to report it as a bug not getting the time bonus?

The addon actually isn't accurate for vMA, I noticed tonight as well when the score recorded by the addon was ~20k less than my actual score.

Kyoma

Doesn't it only count the sigils for the rounds that you actually pass? As in, if you die and restart a round any sigils you used before you died in that round are ignored.

Nifty2g

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Something seems buggy or am I missing something @ZOS_Finn



This had 5 deaths and 12-14 Sigils were used. Shouldn't this be a 420k+ Score? Judging from what other people have told me their times were. Feels like a lot of my runs don't add up. With that time judging from all the math I would've had to use 30 Sigils for that score to be less than my current one. I used the spreadsheet and my score should've been 440,423 with 14 sigils. Unless I'm doing it wrong? Is there a death penalty we are missing?

I'm only assuming but I'm guessing in my latest run it bugged out and I didn't get the point bonus for completing under 1.5 hours? Do we know exactly what the time bonus would be so I can add it to my final score

My last run was 0 sigils used, 5 deaths in 1 hour 29 minutes and a few second and my score is 381,367 which means the math works perfectly(minus the 15K bug) and that there is no death penalty.

Don't forget you get penalized more than 750 points per sigil the further go past 1:30.

14 Sigils used means you final score is 370500 + ( 370,500 * (5400-3953) /10000) = 424,111

If I had to guess I'd say whatever addon is reporting your completion time is wrong on the time you took to complete it. You lose ~40 points per second so I'd say you completion time had to be closer to 1 hour 15 minutes.

@Ezareth
Addon is raditimer by garkin, it just keeps a timer and adds your score to it at the end doesn't do any calculating at the moment

That time was also displayed at the end, I wasn't wrong about the time neither was the addon I just screenshot it a bit late. Addon also gets the time right every single run I do. I'm just going to report it as a bug not getting the time bonus?

The addon actually isn't accurate for vMA, I noticed tonight as well when the score recorded by the addon was ~20k less than my actual score.

I'm talking about the time it records, plus that score was also the same in game one
Just doesn't add up to me

Nifty2g

Kyoma wrote: »

Doesn't it only count the sigils for the rounds that you actually pass? As in, if you die and restart a round any sigils you used before you died in that round are ignored.

I don't believe so, it can't any sigils used

Nifty2g

Hey @ZOS_Finn thats a good question, if you die on a round you used a sigil does that still add up to your final score or does it reset

Ezareth

Nifty2g wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Something seems buggy or am I missing something @ZOS_Finn



This had 5 deaths and 12-14 Sigils were used. Shouldn't this be a 420k+ Score? Judging from what other people have told me their times were. Feels like a lot of my runs don't add up. With that time judging from all the math I would've had to use 30 Sigils for that score to be less than my current one. I used the spreadsheet and my score should've been 440,423 with 14 sigils. Unless I'm doing it wrong? Is there a death penalty we are missing?

I'm only assuming but I'm guessing in my latest run it bugged out and I didn't get the point bonus for completing under 1.5 hours? Do we know exactly what the time bonus would be so I can add it to my final score

My last run was 0 sigils used, 5 deaths in 1 hour 29 minutes and a few second and my score is 381,367 which means the math works perfectly(minus the 15K bug) and that there is no death penalty.

Don't forget you get penalized more than 750 points per sigil the further go past 1:30.

14 Sigils used means you final score is 370500 + ( 370,500 * (5400-3953) /10000) = 424,111

If I had to guess I'd say whatever addon is reporting your completion time is wrong on the time you took to complete it. You lose ~40 points per second so I'd say you completion time had to be closer to 1 hour 15 minutes.

@Ezareth
Addon is raditimer by garkin, it just keeps a timer and adds your score to it at the end doesn't do any calculating at the moment

That time was also displayed at the end, I wasn't wrong about the time neither was the addon I just screenshot it a bit late. Addon also gets the time right every single run I do. I'm just going to report it as a bug not getting the time bonus?

The addon actually isn't accurate for vMA, I noticed tonight as well when the score recorded by the addon was ~20k less than my actual score.

I'm talking about the time it records, plus that score was also the same in game one
Just doesn't add up to me

Just did a perfect run, 0 sigils, 0 deaths in 1:18:38 and the Score was 406998

381,000 + ( 381,000 * (5400-4718)/10,000) = 406984.2

For 0 sigils at least the Score appears to be working perfect. I wish they made sigils worth more really. I have no idea how people are beating it in 2/3rds the time that I am unless they're using sigils to increase the speed somehow.

Nifty2g

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Something seems buggy or am I missing something @ZOS_Finn



This had 5 deaths and 12-14 Sigils were used. Shouldn't this be a 420k+ Score? Judging from what other people have told me their times were. Feels like a lot of my runs don't add up. With that time judging from all the math I would've had to use 30 Sigils for that score to be less than my current one. I used the spreadsheet and my score should've been 440,423 with 14 sigils. Unless I'm doing it wrong? Is there a death penalty we are missing?

I'm only assuming but I'm guessing in my latest run it bugged out and I didn't get the point bonus for completing under 1.5 hours? Do we know exactly what the time bonus would be so I can add it to my final score

My last run was 0 sigils used, 5 deaths in 1 hour 29 minutes and a few second and my score is 381,367 which means the math works perfectly(minus the 15K bug) and that there is no death penalty.

Don't forget you get penalized more than 750 points per sigil the further go past 1:30.

14 Sigils used means you final score is 370500 + ( 370,500 * (5400-3953) /10000) = 424,111

If I had to guess I'd say whatever addon is reporting your completion time is wrong on the time you took to complete it. You lose ~40 points per second so I'd say you completion time had to be closer to 1 hour 15 minutes.

@Ezareth
Addon is raditimer by garkin, it just keeps a timer and adds your score to it at the end doesn't do any calculating at the moment

That time was also displayed at the end, I wasn't wrong about the time neither was the addon I just screenshot it a bit late. Addon also gets the time right every single run I do. I'm just going to report it as a bug not getting the time bonus?

The addon actually isn't accurate for vMA, I noticed tonight as well when the score recorded by the addon was ~20k less than my actual score.

I'm talking about the time it records, plus that score was also the same in game one
Just doesn't add up to me

Just did a perfect run, 0 sigils, 0 deaths in 1:18:38 and the Score was 406998

381,000 + ( 381,000 * (5400-4718)/10,000) = 406984.2

For 0 sigils at least the Score appears to be working perfect. I wish they made sigils worth more really. I have no idea how people are beating it in 2/3rds the time that I am unless they're using sigils to increase the speed somehow.

ZOS have always been accustomed to "time is everything" so the best thing to do is go in with a lot of DPS as a sorc. Sigils can help boost your time only if you get a no death and use them on certain stages

Kyoma

Nifty2g wrote: »

Kyoma wrote: »

Doesn't it only count the sigils for the rounds that you actually pass? As in, if you die and restart a round any sigils you used before you died in that round are ignored.

I don't believe so, it can't any sigils used

Well, I tried testing it by using 2 sigils in a round, die and restart then finish it without sigils and I'm pretty sure still got the full 3k points for that round.

asneakybanana

Kyoma wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Kyoma wrote: »

Doesn't it only count the sigils for the rounds that you actually pass? As in, if you die and restart a round any sigils you used before you died in that round are ignored.

I don't believe so, it can't any sigils used

Well, I tried testing it by using 2 sigils in a round, die and restart then finish it without sigils and I'm pretty sure still got the full 3k points for that round.

You should sigils only count for completed rounds. Any sigils used in failed attempts don't count. I believe they said that somewhere in the pts or seiffer mentioned it in one of my streams but I can't remember which.

Olysja

hello @ZOS_Finn ,
there's a bug on the final score math. each sigil takes away more points than 750

runs:
mine-> 1:04:30 0 sigils 381000+((381000*(5400000-3870000)/10000000)) = 439,3k CORRECT

@Nifty2g 1:05:23 13-15 sigils 381000+((381000*(5400000-3923000)/10000000)) = 437,3k- (750x13or15) = 426/427k WRONG cause final score is actually 408,8k

and nifty is only one of the many players that actually noticed it, using sigils you take an imba malus (15k+ points) from an unknown source.

there is something wrong with sigils:| please make your tests ZOS

Nifty2g

Those were my clear times, my fastest clear time is actually in my signature, with 412,827 and 8 sigils used. to get a score lower with the time so much faster would mean I would have needed to use around 30+ sigils which is highly unbelievable considering my clear times and how many I used on the score in my signature.

Both times I've score 1 hour 5 minute has had interesting score results.

Alcast

I dont know why but it always takes away 15k points of the actual score. Not sure what causes this

Olysja

Alcast wrote: »

I dont know why but it always takes away 15k points of the actual score. Not sure what causes this

only when you use sigils.
i mean there is a stupid bug that all player got a -15k because last boss doesn't counts so always Current Score-15k and that's why we use the 381k formula instead the 396k one.
but there is also another bug that happens when you use sigils that gives again another -15k or around it. btw ZOS got testers so will not be a problem to test this bug i think right?: )

ps: i tried to use 1 sigil only and there was no -15k so there is a rly wrong math under sigils value

Paulington

Olysja wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

I dont know why but it always takes away 15k points of the actual score. Not sure what causes this

only when you use sigils.
i mean there is a stupid bug that all player got a -15k because last boss doesn't counts so always Current Score-15k and that's why we use the 381k formula instead the 396k one.
but there is also another bug that happens when you use sigils that gives again another -15k or around it. btw ZOS got testers so will not be a problem to test this bug i think right?: )

This is incorrect, you get -15,000 score regardless of sigil use.

The correct formula is:

Score = (270,000 + ((168 - Sigils Used) x 750)) + (270,000 + ((168 - Sigils Used) x 750)) x ((5400 - Time in Seconds)/10000)

There are some aberrations but they seem to be due to bugs, but the formula itself is simple. 30,000 per arena + sigils and then a modifier based on your time.

tist

I think I reached the maximum time reduction the first time I ran this because my score was like 300.

Paulington

tist wrote: »

I think I reached the maximum time reduction the first time I ran this because my score was like 300.

The time limit seems to be around four hours and thirty minutes and the minimum score 270.

Nifty2g

I'm still highly confused about my scores

Ezareth

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm still highly confused about my scores

I think sigils are taking away more points than we think they are....they're more heavily impacting the bonus score which TBH I think is a good thing. I think ultimately people clearing it with zero sigils should get the largest bonuses.

Nifty2g

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm still highly confused about my scores

I think sigils are taking away more points than we think they are....they're more heavily impacting the bonus score which TBH I think is a good thing. I think ultimately people clearing it with zero sigils should get the largest bonuses.

i do agree but timing sigils is still smart play and that divides everyone's strategies up so we don't have everyone in the same point gap.
that said i do agree that some sigils maybe are giving more of a penalty, maybe they register twice or three times sometimes and penalizes you.

Olysja

Paulington wrote: »

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let's check if works on @Nifty2g score

Score = (270,000 + (114750) + (270,000 + ((168 - 15) x 750)) x ((5400 - 3923)/10000) = 441,5 -15k from last boss bug = 426,5k same result from the formula i used.

Score = 381000+((381000*(5400000-3923000)/10000000)) = 437,3k- (750x15) = 426k

the problem is that nifty gets 408k :P sigils scores are bugged and needs be to fixed.

Ezareth

Olysja wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

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let's check if works on @Nifty2g score

Score = (270,000 + (114750) + (270,000 + ((168 - 15) x 750)) x ((5400 - 3923)/10000) = 441,5 -15k from last boss bug = 426,5k same result from the formula i used.

Score = 381000+((381000*(5400000-3923000)/10000000)) = 437,3k- (750x13) = 426,5k

the problem is that nifty gets 408k :P sigils scores are bugged and needs be to fixed.

@Olysja
*Everyone* gets a 15K bug on the final Arena. I got it when I used one sigil and I got it when I used 0 sigils.

If there is a bug, then it is the reduction to the "Bonus Points" calculation that is based off of your base score.

Olysja

Ezareth wrote: »

@Olysja
*Everyone* gets a 15K bug on the final Arena. I got it when I used one sigil and I got it when I used 0 sigils.

If there is a bug, then it is the reduction to the "Bonus Points" calculation that is based off of your base score.

we are speaking about the same thing :P there is a -15k for all players. but there is also a wrong value on sigils -score calculation.

asneakybanana

Ezareth wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'm still highly confused about my scores

I think sigils are taking away more points than we think they are....they're more heavily impacting the bonus score which TBH I think is a good thing. I think ultimately people clearing it with zero sigils should get the largest bonuses.

One sigil is taking away about 1k score in the end due to the fact that it gets added Into both the multiplier and base score. I think for me each sigil was worth something like 25s worth of time.

Minute_Waltz

Sorry to bump up an old thread, does anyone know how vma scores are calculated now after TG patch, with inclusion of vatality bonuses/fixes etc?