Help me choose.

SneaK

Prices and times for mats are at an all time high, which hurts our theorycrafting experiments...

I just got my second character to V16, Altmer Templar, goal is PvP DPS/decent sustain

THE PREDICAMENT

I have two different loadouts in mind but I don't want to craft one and then be upset and wish I would have made the other. Help me choose.

Set 1:
5L/2H
Head - Engine Guardian
Shoulders - Engine Guardian
Chest - Julianos
Arms - Julianos
Waist - Julianos
Legs - Julianos
Feet - Adroitness
Neck - Adroitness (Mag recovery)
Ring - Willpower (Mag recovery)
Ring - Willpower (Spell damage)
1H Sword - Willpower
1H Sword - Julianos
Resto - Willpower
At this point its easier to get the Adroitness pieces and Willpower weapons rather than crafting another 3 piece like Torugs or another piece like Julianos resto

Set 2:
5L/2H
Head - Seducer
Shoulders - Molag Kena
Chest - Seducer
Arms - Seducer
Waist - Seducer
Legs - Seducer
Feet - Torug's Pact
Neck - WIllpower (Spell Power)
Ring - Willpower (Spell Power)
Ring - Willpower (Spell Power)
1H Sword - Torug's Pact
1H Sword - Torug's Pact
Resto - Torug's Pact
This will actually be more expensive cause it's more crafting, but I like the idea of using old school Seducers/Torug's.

Input?

Waffennacht

Tuffy, I see one being way more crit/dmg and one being more sustain. Both are what you are looking for. All in all for PvP I would say the more dps sets would be better. I just see it being more effective against the majority of the player base.

If DKs were prominent then id go more sustain or if there were more temps. But with majority NB and then sorcs, Id say you'll be happier with the dps build.

Millerman34n

Run your Bodem set but except use 5 Julios or twice born star for more dps u can sustain your majica with abilities and champion points.

SneaK

Millerman34n wrote: »

Run your Bodem set but except use 5 Julios or twice born star for more dps u can sustain your majica with abilities and champion points.

Bodem?

Twice born isn't an option, don't have 9traits researched and the cost is way too high on console.. I have like 170'ish champ points also, are you saying just invest heavily in recovery with CP's and go Julianos ?

Waffennacht wrote: »

Tuffy, I see one being way more crit/dmg and one being more sustain. Both are what you are looking for. All in all for PvP I would say the more dps sets would be better. I just see it being more effective against the majority of the player base.

If DKs were prominent then id go more sustain or if there were more temps. But with majority NB and then sorcs, Id say you'll be happier with the dps build.

Do you think I could get decent spell damage out of the Seducer setup? I was thinking I could run all SP enchants and maybe use the SP mundus being that Seducer is so good for recovery... Also, with Julianos I get that the crit power goes way up but is that real beneficial for a 40'ish percentage crit build?

Sorry for all the Q&A, just a lot mats I plan on using...

Waffennacht

Max magicka increases the amount of damage dealt. So Seducer would increase damage, just not as much.

At 40ish crit I would say bumping that up to or slightly above 50 to be a good idea. With seducer most people would suggest using max magicka (the mage stone) however the mundus stone can be switched at a whim.

Its personally choice im wrestling with the same decisions. Im even contemplating using Julianos as my x4/x3 set. Either way I see making julianos a good idea.

For crafting sets I really like: Seducer, Magnus, and Julianos. After them I like Twilight's Embrace and then Torug etc...

Im currently making x5 julianos and x4 magnus. Untilmymagnus is done im running older x4 seducer and x5 julianos.

If I can't finish julianos tonight, it'll be x5 seducer x4 julianos.

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

Max magicka increases the amount of damage dealt. So Seducer would increase damage, just not as much.

At 40ish crit I would say bumping that up to or slightly above 50 to be a good idea. With seducer most people would suggest using max magicka (the mage stone) however the mundus stone can be switched at a whim.

Its personally choice im wrestling with the same decisions. Im even contemplating using Julianos as my x4/x3 set. Either way I see making julianos a good idea.

For crafting sets I really like: Seducer, Magnus, and Julianos. After them I like Twilight's Embrace and then Torug etc...

Im currently making x5 julianos and x4 magnus. Untilmymagnus is done im running older x4 seducer and x5 julianos.

If I can't finish julianos tonight, it'll be x5 seducer x4 julianos.

You can never go wrong with magnus set

SneaK

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Max magicka increases the amount of damage dealt. So Seducer would increase damage, just not as much.

At 40ish crit I would say bumping that up to or slightly above 50 to be a good idea. With seducer most people would suggest using max magicka (the mage stone) however the mundus stone can be switched at a whim.

Its personally choice im wrestling with the same decisions. Im even contemplating using Julianos as my x4/x3 set. Either way I see making julianos a good idea.

For crafting sets I really like: Seducer, Magnus, and Julianos. After them I like Twilight's Embrace and then Torug etc...

Im currently making x5 julianos and x4 magnus. Untilmymagnus is done im running older x4 seducer and x5 julianos.

If I can't finish julianos tonight, it'll be x5 seducer x4 julianos.

You can never go wrong with magnus set

I've used Magnus before and I just wasn't sold on it. On paper it sounds good but I felt like the little spell damage increase was much worse than the sustain Seducer gave me. May just be a personal thing, may be something I just need to get over... I dunno, wasn't crazy about Magnus.

Brrrofski

Well on my temp I'm running;

5 julianos
4 magnus (use sword and board and dual wield for pvp, resto for healing so drop one lot of spell power)
3 willpower.

I have two willpower sets. One regen, one spell damage. I swap items around as I see fit for the occasion.

Minno

SneaK wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Max magicka increases the amount of damage dealt. So Seducer would increase damage, just not as much.

At 40ish crit I would say bumping that up to or slightly above 50 to be a good idea. With seducer most people would suggest using max magicka (the mage stone) however the mundus stone can be switched at a whim.

Its personally choice im wrestling with the same decisions. Im even contemplating using Julianos as my x4/x3 set. Either way I see making julianos a good idea.

For crafting sets I really like: Seducer, Magnus, and Julianos. After them I like Twilight's Embrace and then Torug etc...

Im currently making x5 julianos and x4 magnus. Untilmymagnus is done im running older x4 seducer and x5 julianos.

If I can't finish julianos tonight, it'll be x5 seducer x4 julianos.

You can never go wrong with magnus set

I've used Magnus before and I just wasn't sold on it. On paper it sounds good but I felt like the little spell damage increase was much worse than the sustain Seducer gave me. May just be a personal thing, may be something I just need to get over... I dunno, wasn't crazy about Magnus.

You trade some sustain for spell dmg with magnus. As a Breton, stacking that magicka cost reduction is overkill for me. Hence my affinity towards magnus. I noticed no significant increase in sustain with seducers, so I opted for spell dmg.
5piece magnus allows 1 out of 2 or 3 spells to be cost free, and I've read it works on magical based ultimates.

As a Templar, julianos looks amazing on paper (increase crit dmg with aedric spear passive). Will be pve set.

SneaK

Minno wrote: »

You trade some sustain for spell dmg with magnus. As a Breton, stacking that magicka cost reduction is overkill for me. Hence my affinity towards magnus. I noticed no significant increase in sustain with seducers, so I opted for spell dmg.
5piece magnus allows 1 out of 2 or 3 spells to be cost free, and I've read it works on magical based ultimates.

As a Templar, julianos looks amazing on paper (increase crit dmg with aedric spear passive). Will be pve set.

First point seems a little odd, I think your math is off as 8% wouldn't pull 1/2-3.. But point taken.

Second point, this sounds absolutely awesome if its true.. Do you mean? I could drop two meteors in a row?

Probably will end up with Julianos option listed above.

Waffennacht

Even if its true you could use two meteors in a row, the odds of that are really really low. But I guess it could be cool.

Its been discussed before, but im pretty sure that seducer ends up saving you more magicka than magnus.

I can't wait to compare all the armor combos to see which I prefer.

I still need one more v16 peice, gotta get them to gold (4 are purp atm) and then gold enchant them. I only have one gold glyph ready and my enchantment is only 45 (outta mats too oh drat!)

Gonna be a little bit till im done.