Templar Execute: Broken Ticks

Zedh

So lately I've been wondering why most of the time, I would get a dps improvement out of the execute, but sometimes my dps would just fall mercilessly every second during execute.

Well I took a closer look at the execute ticks in combat and it turns out that some of them, sometimes more of them, sometimes less, tick for an awfully low amount of damage. Some screenshots from FTC:



Just for comparison. This is what my usual execute ticks deal:



And this is what the "other" ticks look like:




I see no way to explain these extremely low damage ticks other than it's a bug. Yes, sometimes the FTC scroll text gives out wrong information, but the FTC dps meter rarely lies. And the information I got from the scroll text was always compliant to the information in the dps meter.

DschiPeunt

Yup. I have seen this too in my Recount. The ticks had no execute damage bonus i would think. It's really frustrating to deal good DPS and then see your DPS sink while executing.

timidobserver

In my experience, this happens more frequently the more Templar there are in the group executing at the same time.

Hiero_Glyph

Just once I want to see a Templar buff. Thanks for providing screenshots of this issue; hopefully it will help ZOS get it resolved sooner.

timidobserver

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Just once I want to see a Templar buff. Thanks for providing screenshots of this issue; hopefully it will help ZOS get it resolved sooner.

It won't. I reported the issue in March and even provided videos.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/160819/radiant-destruction-pve#latest

To be fair I did get some feedback from ZOS, but the issue never got fixed.

Zedh

Wow, so this bug is ages old. I never noticed it before, probably because in my raid groups i am always the only magicka templar dps.
Love how ZOS eventually just stopped replying to your post and it's november now...

deeviliuseb17_ESO

i can reproduce this problem, too.

Reverb

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Just once I want to see a Templar buff. Thanks for providing screenshots of this issue; hopefully it will help ZOS get it resolved sooner.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA <deep breath> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Zenimax buffing Templars, omg that's a riot. <wipes tears from laughing>. Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh this morning.

Kas

can confirm that this still happens on live. only now that we've been runnign with many templars it became apparent to me.
imho this is a very serious one that renders the entire skill useless and puts the class in a much worse spot when looking for highend dps possibilities!

DschiPeunt

Kas wrote: »

can confirm that this still happens on live. only now that we've been runnign with many templars it became apparent to me.
imho this is a very serious one that renders the entire skill useless and puts the class in a much worse spot when looking for highend dps possibilities!

I totally agree. Magicka templar DPS relies a lot on the execute, and if it is broken, that is a serious issue!

Wreuntzylla

Reverb wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Just once I want to see a Templar buff. Thanks for providing screenshots of this issue; hopefully it will help ZOS get it resolved sooner.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA <deep breath> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Zenimax buffing Templars, omg that's a riot. <wipes tears from laughing>. Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh this morning.

The problem is not that they don't buff magicka templars. The problem is that the buffs almost always come with a set of nerfs...

Gelassenheit

I too get these problems. My DPS can either shoot up to reasonably good numbers during execute, or tank to miserable, completely embarrassing numbers. From what I can tell, it seems to not take into account the actual execute portion of spell. Though I could be completely wrong on that.

Kas

Gelassenheit wrote: »

I too get these problems. My DPS can either shoot up to reasonably good numbers during execute, or tank to miserable, completely embarrassing numbers. From what I can tell, it seems to not take into account the actual execute portion of spell. Though I could be completely wrong on that.

as posted earlier in the thread, the execute bonus seems to bug out on some ticks. this, in turn, seems to happen the more frequently, the more templars execute the same target at a time

Alcast

Zedh wrote: »

So lately I've been wondering why most of the time, I would get a dps improvement out of the execute, but sometimes my dps would just fall mercilessly every second during execute.

Well I took a closer look at the execute ticks in combat and it turns out that some of them, sometimes more of them, sometimes less, tick for an awfully low amount of damage. Some screenshots from FTC:



Just for comparison. This is what my usual execute ticks deal:



And this is what the "other" ticks look like:




I see no way to explain these extremely low damage ticks other than it's a bug. Yes, sometimes the FTC scroll text gives out wrong information, but the FTC dps meter rarely lies. And the information I got from the scroll text was always compliant to the information in the dps meter.

This issue was fixed like 3 times already and YET it is still broken. ZOS at its best.

Joy_Division

This would help explain why my PvE templar kept telling my Radiant Destruction was a DPS loss until enemy was at 15% or so.

Aunatar

"Patch notes: fixed Templar's focused charge"

WillhelmBlack

I keep getting this in PvP.

mateoz

Bump, was getting this bug yesterday. in execute range on boss Was either doing 8-9k or 22-30k per tick.
By that i mean on the same target, under 50%, I was getting 8,8,9,8,9, execute skill again, 22,28,22,30,23, execute skill again, 9,8,9,8,8, execute skill again, 22,22,22,28,28

Kas

any acknowledgement from zos that they are aware?

ZOS_Wrobel

Guys thanks for this post. You are 100% correct about this bug. We were able to reproduce it internally and have applied a fix. QA is testing, it will be applied in the next major update.

Forztr

Wrobel wrote: »

Guys thanks for this post. You are 100% correct about this bug. We were able to reproduce it internally and have applied a fix. QA is testing, it will be applied in the next major update.

Does major update mean we have to wait for the next DLC for a fix? So like 3+ months for a bug fix to a key ability.

Preyfar

Reverb wrote: »

Zenimax buffing Templars, omg that's a riot. <wipes tears from laughing>. Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbPD14tfobs
(Ignore the Audio, I was watching Bones on Netflix and it picked up the audio... heh)

There's another bug with Biting Jabs that, on the last jab, it triggers your potion timer... I started noticing it after I'd try to drink a potion to prevent myself from dying, but half the time my potions wouldn't trigger properly. Then I started noticing the potion on the bottom of the screen would get a 0.2s timer popping up over it towards the end of my Jabs.

If you watch the video, pay attention to the potion icon. Every time I do jabs the timer goes off non-stop, and when it does, I can't use my potions. Even though it's short, sometimes it seems like I can't use potions for longer than not. I recall this being a bug previously, but... it's back. And it's lead to so many deaths.

Templar is just such a broken class. I love playing it, but almost all my skills break or bug out in one way or another.

AfkNinja

Preyfar wrote: »

Templar is just such a broken class. I love playing it, but almost all my skills break or bug out in one way or another.

This is so true, and it makes me have a sad.

DschiPeunt

Preyfar wrote: »

There's another bug with Biting Jabs that, on the last jab, it triggers your potion timer... I started noticing it after I'd try to drink a potion to prevent myself from dying, but half the time my potions wouldn't trigger properly. Then I started noticing the potion on the bottom of the screen would get a 0.2s timer popping up over it towards the end of my Jabs.

If you watch the video, pay attention to the potion icon. Every time I do jabs the timer goes off non-stop, and when it does, I can't use my potions. Even though it's short, sometimes it seems like I can't use potions for longer than not. I recall this being a bug previously, but... it's back. And it's lead to so many deaths.

Templar is just such a broken class. I love playing it, but almost all my skills break or bug out in one way or another.

I haven't really put a thought on why my potion timer would pop-up that often, but i can confirm that I get a timer for potions without using any. I thought it would be a UI error or something like that, but apparently it is triggerd by dem jabs.

Preyfar

DschiPeunt wrote: »

I haven't really put a thought on why my potion timer would pop-up that often, but i can confirm that I get a timer for potions without using any. I thought it would be a UI error or something like that, but apparently it is triggerd by dem jabs.

For a while I was attributing my potion problems to lag. It's so hard to know where the lag problems lay, but... last night I finally noticed the potion timer after I was ticked off my pots just wouldn't trigger, so I recorded the video as it captures the problem.

I /bugged it, but I can ever tell if my bug reports ever go through or get viewed. I reported a simple typo with the Covenant's Bow, and for 9 months it never got fixed. I figured it'd be something simple to resolve, but... I can never tell. Just like the current dual-wield set bug. I've reported it, shown video, posted on the forums, but not seen a response. So it's hard to know if it's something that is on their radar.

Minno

Preyfar wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

I haven't really put a thought on why my potion timer would pop-up that often, but i can confirm that I get a timer for potions without using any. I thought it would be a UI error or something like that, but apparently it is triggerd by dem jabs.

For a while I was attributing my potion problems to lag. It's so hard to know where the lag problems lay, but... last night I finally noticed the potion timer after I was ticked off my pots just wouldn't trigger, so I recorded the video as it captures the problem.

I /bugged it, but I can ever tell if my bug reports ever go through or get viewed. I reported a simple typo with the Covenant's Bow, and for 9 months it never got fixed. I figured it'd be something simple to resolve, but... I can never tell. Just like the current dual-wield set bug. I've reported it, shown video, posted on the forums, but not seen a response. So it's hard to know if it's something that is on their radar.

Just the stam morph or both magicka and stam versions?

Preyfar

Minno wrote: »

Just the stam morph or both magicka and stam versions?

I know it does it on the Magicka version, but I haven't tried it on Stamina yet.

Kaliki

Wrobel wrote: »

Guys thanks for this post. You are 100% correct about this bug. We were able to reproduce it internally and have applied a fix. QA is testing, it will be applied in the next major update.

Awesome news that it will be finally addressed.

BUT:
This issue has existed for roughly half a year. Why does it take so long to have serious Templar issues acknowledged?
Ironic that this ability was nerfed multiple times all the while being bugged to not even apply execute damage.

For proof: I posted a thread on this on 30th July and was by far not the first to notice it:
Http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/202174/radiant-oppression-radiant-glory-not-applying-execute-bonus

zornyan

@Preyfar so that's why on console I have to spam the potion button when using jabs to get it to work? Drives me insane!

@Kaliki it's infuriating, I've created 2 seperate threads, and seen several others about jabs being bugged and not applying the 140% damage buff against shields.

Not one single comment from zos.

Hell nothing back about the mist form bug not giving damage mitigation either and allowing you to be CC still

@Wrobel any comments on these issues? Even something to let us know you're looking into them?

timidobserver

Forztr wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Guys thanks for this post. You are 100% correct about this bug. We were able to reproduce it internally and have applied a fix. QA is testing, it will be applied in the next major update.

Does major update mean we have to wait for the next DLC for a fix? So like 3+ months for a bug fix to a key ability.

I am fine with 3 months as opposed to never.

GTech_1

timidobserver wrote: »

Forztr wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Guys thanks for this post. You are 100% correct about this bug. We were able to reproduce it internally and have applied a fix. QA is testing, it will be applied in the next major update.

Does major update mean we have to wait for the next DLC for a fix? So like 3+ months for a bug fix to a key ability.

I am fine with 3 months as opposed to never.

I'm glad it will be fixed as well. However, 3 months in the "gaming world" is a long time, especially for an essential ability.