I finally think i understand

Reeko

So i was doing dailys up in Bruma on a non-vet campaign with my lvl 40 sorc alt when i start getting attacked by a lvl 33 magicka nightblade. Now as my main is one i figure i can take him pretty easily.

Well, after about 10 long minutes of playing hide n seek with him cloaking behind a tree, crippling grasp then cloak around some more, a few swallow dark cloak weave combos, and the occasional teleport strike into fear into soul harvest into dark cloak run away i finally got fed up with it. I couldnt keep him outa cloak long enough to kill him but he wasnt being aggressive enough to kill me. I realized at that point this was just a foolish waste of time and started to ignore him and continue my dailys.

Well, he was not going to have non of that. So he proceeds to cripple dark cloak run away combo me a few times until i just got so annoyed i decided im done for the night. So i just gave up and let him kill me. Funny thing though, even with me standing still he still kept weaving in and out of cloak way more than necessary. It was actually kinda humerous to watch. Right up until the inevitable teabag session comes after he finally downs me.

Conclusion/point of the story: Maybe Cloak does need a magicka regen nerf.

Also, kids, being a nightblade does not make you able to kill people with cloak. Cloak doesnt do damage. And if you have to spend more than half the fight invis to heal or regain resources than your doing it wrong. And finally, don't tea bag. If you have any shred of skill at this game and want to be known for it don't tea bag. Opinions of you and your said skill go right out the window.

In my defense i did NOT have detect pots on my alt. Only my second time bringing her into pvp. Lesson learned, apparently

Lord-Otto

I'm glad you're being honest about how utterly stupid the current Dark Cloak meta is. It's just frustrating to defend against a burst that can easily kill you, play a game of resources and then just see your enemy stealth away and either get his buddies or burst you again when you're distracted. this is not only OP as hell, it is also just plain unfun and uninteresting. PvP is ruined right now.
And people teabagging you after a) ganking or b) using their overpowered class... Yeah, stupid. That's all it is.
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However, you haven't learned your lesson yet, young Padawan! This is the lesson, you ready? Listen closely:
Play Fallout 4 until ZOS finally fixed PvP in early 2016, per Eric Wrobel!
d(^.-)

Stannum

Have you used detect pots or lightning form or radiant maglight or streak?

Tryxus

Like I've stated before, I'm up for a Magicka Regen nerf to Cloak.

But plz, DO NOT SET THE MAGICKA REGEN TO 0% WHILE CLOAKED

If they were to set it to 50-80% I'd totally agree

The Cloak should only be used to either escape battles or remove debuffs, that's all. A simple Mag Regen reduction would still allow the MagBlade to fight back while forcing him to use the Cloak more wisely. 0% Mag Regen would just cripple the MagBlade

Malmai

Reeko wrote: »

So i was doing dailys up in Bruma on a non-vet campaign with my lvl 40 sorc alt when i start getting attacked by a lvl 33 magicka nightblade. Now as my main is one i figure i can take him pretty easily.

Well, after about 10 long minutes of playing hide n seek with him cloaking behind a tree, crippling grasp then cloak around some more, a few swallow dark cloak weave combos, and the occasional teleport strike into fear into soul harvest into dark cloak run away i finally got fed up with it. I couldnt keep him outa cloak long enough to kill him but he wasnt being aggressive enough to kill me. I realized at that point this was just a foolish waste of time and started to ignore him and continue my dailys.

Well, he was not going to have non of that. So he proceeds to cripple dark cloak run away combo me a few times until i just got so annoyed i decided im done for the night. So i just gave up and let him kill me. Funny thing though, even with me standing still he still kept weaving in and out of cloak way more than necessary. It was actually kinda humerous to watch. Right up until the inevitable teabag session comes after he finally downs me.

Conclusion/point of the story: Maybe Cloak does need a magicka regen nerf.

Also, kids, being a nightblade does not make you able to kill people with cloak. Cloak doesnt do damage. And if you have to spend more than half the fight invis to heal or regain resources than your doing it wrong. And finally, don't tea bag. If you have any shred of skill at this game and want to be known for it don't tea bag. Opinions of you and your said skill go right out the window.

In my defense i did NOT have detect pots on my alt. Only my second time bringing her into pvp. Lesson learned, apparently

You can use so many counters to NBs Cloak, but instead you come here and you drink vine ?

Jitterbug

Reeko wrote: »

Maybe Cloak does need a magicka regen nerf.

Also, kids, being a nightblade does not make you able to kill people with cloak. Cloak doesnt do damage.

logic

lolo_01b16_ESO

I'm leveling a sorc in PvP atm and so far nbs are my most killed class. There was just one player who managed to escape (with shadow image and taking advantage of the environment). All other nbs that tried to run away died to curse -> curse -> curse -> mages wrath.

Ariisen

With my Magicka NB and a cheap green Magicka-Regen drink I can basically run cloaked from Northern High Rock Gate to Castle Black Boot without losing a relevant amount of Magicka.
I'm not even a vampire, I suppose some NB can even regain Magicka while cloaked, that's a bit game breaking.

I'm all for a magicka regen reduction in stealth but we should be careful of what we ask, a blanket "zero-regen-while-stealthed" fix has a high chance of dropping us from one of the strongest classes to the most useless one.

lathbury

Reeko wrote: »

Conclusion/point of the story: Maybe Cloak does need a magicka regen nerf.

Also, kids, being a nightblade does not make you able to kill people with cloak. Cloak doesnt do damage. And if you have to spend more than half the fight invis to heal or regain resources than your doing it wrong. And finally, don't tea bag. If you have any shred of skill at this game and want to be known for it don't tea bag. Opinions of you and your said skill go right out the window.

In my defense i did NOT have detect pots on my alt. Only my second time bringing her into pvp. Lesson learned, apparently

So you ask for a regen nerf on it which would be similar to streaks escalating cost? But this is such a false comparison because even in your own conclusion you say that cloak can not kill you it does no damage and no CC.
a class with no burst heal but hots is obviously designed to heal out of combat so lol.
agreed t-bagging is lame
you also admit that had you used one of the counters pots you would have wrecked this dude so why ask for a nerf? is it because you lost and are salty sure seems that way.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

I'm glad you're being honest about how utterly stupid the current Dark Cloak meta is. It's just frustrating to defend against a burst that can easily kill you, play a game of resources and then just see your enemy stealth away and either get his buddies or burst you again when you're distracted. this is not only OP as hell, it is also just plain unfun and uninteresting. PvP is ruined right now.
And people teabagging you after a) ganking or b) using their overpowered class... Yeah, stupid. That's all it is.
=/

However, you haven't learned your lesson yet, young Padawan! This is the lesson, you ready? Listen closely:
Play Fallout 4 until ZOS finally fixed PvP in early 2016, per Eric Wrobel!
d(^.-)

bolded did you even read the OP the fight went on a while and even took a while after the OP quit doesnt seem like insane burst to me. I think your maybe thinking of stam nb.

then just see your enemy stealth away and either get his buddies

yeah a class is definatley op if he has to get more of his class to kill 1 player of a different class kudos your logic is flawless.

or burst you again when you're distracted. this is not only OP as hell,

yeah again flawless logic here unable to stand toe to toe and having to wait for an opportunity like this to win sounds OP flawless logic again.
yeah agree again t-bag is lame
magica Nb Over powered not really, annoying yes very.

lathbury

Ariisen wrote: »

With my Magicka NB and a cheap green Magicka-Regen drink I can basically run cloaked from Northern High Rock Gate to Castle Black Boot without losing a relevant amount of Magicka.
I'm not even a vampire, I suppose some NB can even regain Magicka while cloaked, that's a bit game breaking.

I'm all for a magicka regen reduction in stealth but we should be careful of what we ask, a blanket "zero-regen-while-stealthed" fix has a high chance of dropping us from one of the strongest classes to the most useless one.

roll as sorc use streak its faster and does damage and a cc also breaks people out of cloak.

TheBull

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lathbury

also a sorc losing 1v1 to a magicka NB I dont even know how you accomplished that.
maybe watch these vids and you would be careful about asking for nerfs you know people in glass houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_JBQ_nWIsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FdHJaC8cGo

oh also remind me again which class is the only one with no death vet maelstrom clears?

Jumper45

Tryxus wrote: »

Like I've stated before, I'm up for a Magicka Regen nerf to Cloak.

But plz, DO NOT SET THE MAGICKA REGEN TO 0% WHILE CLOAKED

If they were to set it to 50-80% I'd totally agree

The Cloak should only be used to either escape battles or remove debuffs, that's all. A simple Mag Regen reduction would still allow the MagBlade to fight back while forcing him to use the Cloak more wisely. 0% Mag Regen would just cripple the MagBlade

Except when you use the crit morph right? lol

Jumper45

lathbury wrote: »

also a sorc losing 1v1 to a magicka NB I dont even know how you accomplished that.
maybe watch these vids and you would be careful about asking for nerfs you know people in glass houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_JBQ_nWIsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FdHJaC8cGo

oh also remind me again which class is the only one with no death vet maelstrom clears?

Lol ive seen this. But as a templar healer I have the single skill to break this situation. Eclipse... Or Total dark for that matter.

lathbury

Jumper45 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Like I've stated before, I'm up for a Magicka Regen nerf to Cloak.

But plz, DO NOT SET THE MAGICKA REGEN TO 0% WHILE CLOAKED

If they were to set it to 50-80% I'd totally agree

The Cloak should only be used to either escape battles or remove debuffs, that's all. A simple Mag Regen reduction would still allow the MagBlade to fight back while forcing him to use the Cloak more wisely. 0% Mag Regen would just cripple the MagBlade

Except when you use the crit morph right? lol

I'm of the opinion if they put increased costs on it in needs to have no counters because as it is with all the available counters you have to recast a lot because of common things like aoe etc. a 50% regen cost would still cripple a mag blade unless the duration was increased.

Nirnrot

I think that its kind of a lame way to play. NB should definitely be able to cloak out of a battle but some of them seem to run more than they fight. They nerfed dodge roll, they nerfed streak, cloak is probably next. 6 cloaks should be more than sufficient for a fight right?

lathbury

Nirnrot wrote: »

I think that its kind of a lame way to play. NB should definitely be able to cloak out of a battle but some of them seem to run more than they fight. They nerfed dodge roll, they nerfed streak, cloak is probably next. 6 cloaks should be more than sufficient for a fight right?

This is a joke right?In case it isnt here goes

I think that its kind of a lame way to play.

got to know however doesn't make something nerf worthy.

NB should definitely be able to cloak out of a battle but some of them seem to run more than they fight

cloaking out of a battle is running so yeah theres that. also the fact the you see a lot running from a battle would indicate they are'nt op.

They nerfed dodge roll, they nerfed streak, cloak is probably next. 6 cloaks should be more than sufficient for a fight right?

Infinite dodge roll had no counters at all so not exactly an accurate comparison,streak got nerfed? funny cause it still seems they can streak from one keep to another also streak has no counters pots aoe magelight caltrops mark flare etc.

a fair adjustment would be to drastically increase cost but also duration so that people using the correct counter play it prevents it being spammed but with poor play the nightblade does not have to spam it.

for eg it costs 25% of my magicka pool lasts for a good while so i pop it then you hit me with a counter like a pot now I'm 25% down on my magicka. but if you dont I am healing through my hots etc without having to constantly spam it. edit this would make stam blades less powerful as they have burst heals like rally and vigor but would only be able to cloak twice maybe.

Tryxus

Nirnrot wrote: »

I think that its kind of a lame way to play. NB should definitely be able to cloak out of a battle but some of them seem to run more than they fight. They nerfed dodge roll, they nerfed streak, cloak is probably next. 6 cloaks should be more than sufficient for a fight right?

Not really,

Cloak is more than just an escape maneuver, it's also a Purge similar to the Templar and Support skills

It's also not a sure way to escape, since Bolt Escape and its morphs instantly teleport the Sorc away, Cloak doesn't. 1 AoE or 1 of its many counters and the NB can't run.

Also, @Reeko why didn't you use Piercing Mark? It would'be prevented him from cloaking and I'll bet he'd be the one running away from you

willymchilybily

my fear is mag NB gets cloak magicka regen nerf that is exactly perfect for it ( not too much loss of regen, Just enough to make glass cannon stealthers unviable to force people to go a bit mroe regen a biit less burst). it would still cripple stam NB. unless you give one version of cloak a stam morph, but then you would have the same issue as you do now.

Smolt

Well you should probably use one of the many counters... Tornado, magelighr, pots, flare, etc. Really.

JaJaLuka

I would not be screaming for a nerf of any sort until it's been thoroughly tested before it goes to live. Too many have been rushed through and ruined the game because of it.

Waffennacht

Cc of streak is far more a disadvantage than advantage, it causes immunity meaning frags etc will not knock down 1.5 secs is really . 5 cuz u gotta turn around, 5 secs of immunity not cool.

Streak cannot cancel a move from target like cloak, streak is in combat so regen stats less, no dot remove etc

Cloak clearly superior