If literally every other crafting style can be bought, why not Xyvkin?

Azurephoenix999

If we can use crowns to buy any other style, then I believe we should be able to buy Xyvkin as well.

In addition, I believe those who do not have the IC expansion should be able to purchase the style this way (if they're willing to pay for JUST the style, they shouldn't have to pay additional crowns for the expansion).

Bebopgroove

I think some people will want some things in-game that can only be obtained by player skill, in this case the Xyvkin style and the two IC-exclusive pets, and also the polymorphs.

And no, I don't have either of these things at the moment :P Maybe someday

Alucardo

They don't want to make the same mistake they did with the Glass motif I guess, so they're probably going to wait a while. I would assume it will be available when the next DLC is.

myrrrorb14_ESO

Patience. It will be soon.

Oh_Skrivva

They needed something in pvp that would entice players to farm AP again. I've been gone from pvp land for a good chunk of time now (git bored of zerg here, kill kill kill zerg here now kill kill kill, keep taken over and over) atleast when I played pvp alot they had items that you can only get with AP. So that also gave me incentive to pvp and grind. Now I'm doing the same thing but only in pve cause pve has new content, item sets to farm etc. I'm glad I still had a large surplus of AP from when I did pvp to get most of the books. Might just pay gold for the last 2 or maybe actually pvp again for a bit. Atleast they didn't put it in the crown store like the glass motif.

Jura23

If somebody wants to buy the style with cash, they can buy ingame gold with cash and then the style.

Tholian1

Alucardo wrote: »

They don't want to make the same mistake they did with the Glass motif I guess, so they're probably going to wait a while. I would assume it will be available when the next DLC is.

Still not understanding what the mistake was with them selling glass motifs in the Crown Store. I finally got enough pieces to form one page last night for the low low cost of 10k gold. I was rewarded with glass gloves. I'm just a bit underwhelmed with the experience of obtaining the motif in the game.

But then, I suppose that is my fault for not having the time to game the system with multiple characters to gain the fragments faster.

Reverb

Can't buy Mercenary, Ancient Orc or Akaviri motifs in the crown store yet either. Its not just the Xyvkin

Azurephoenix999

Reverb wrote: »

Can't buy Mercenary, Ancient Orc or Akaviri motifs in the crown store yet either. Its not just the Xyvkin

Wasn't even aware that those existed in the game.

Jayne_Doe

I think part of the reason the Glass motif was available in the Crown Store is that it was introduced into the game as part of the base game, meaning you didn't have to have ESO+ or IC to get it. Xivkyn is already behind a paywall...sort of. The pages are still tradable and you can purchase them from guild traders. Prices are coming down on them, so you shouldn't have to pay too much gold to get them.

Glass, on the other hand, will always cost more due to its rarity. They are extremely difficult to obtain and costly, not only the 10K price to put the frags together, but the price involved in completing the writs. If you have lots of time to farm, then your cost is time, rather than gold, but if you don't have time to farm your mats for the daily writs, then you're forking over gold at traders. All that factors into the cost of these pages, and it's on purpose. You can get the glass style from just having the base game, which is why it's so difficult to obtain in-game and thus and also in the Crown Store.

I've seen a lot more Xivkyn pages at traders, so it's not a style that's hard to obtain even for those who don't want to PVP in IC. I've even seen the style material available for 1K/each, which is a LOT cheaper than the 1-5K price of a single malachite shard.

The only other style I can think would be in the Crown Store might be the mercenary style, since it also is available in the base game and rather difficult to obtain, especially for those who don't have any interest in running Undaunted pledges. I think the pages might be tradable, but the style material is bound, so no way of trading those.

Ancient Orc is fairly easy to obtain and I believe the pages, as well as the Cassiderite Sand, are tradable. Akaviri probably won't come to the Crown Store, since it was put in the game to give PVPers something to spend their AP on. I think these may also be tradable, but my understanding is that the AP prices are rather high, so people will be focused on getting pages for themselves first. Any excess they buy to sell will undoubtedly cost a LOT of gold at traders.

Leandor

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

In addition, I believe those who do not have the IC expansion should be able to purchase the style this way (if they're willing to pay for JUST the style, they shouldn't have to pay additional crowns for the expansion).

Funny one. Rare motif = 5000 crowns. DLC = 2500 crowns. Store motifs are for the patience impaired. Not wanting the DLC but willing to farm may be a.... "special" case.

Alucardo

Tholian1 wrote: »

Still not understanding what the mistake was with them selling glass motifs in the Crown Store. I finally got enough pieces to form one page last night for the low low cost of 10k gold. I was rewarded with glass gloves. I'm just a bit underwhelmed with the experience of obtaining the motif in the game.

But then, I suppose that is my fault for not having the time to game the system with multiple characters to gain the fragments faster.

The hardcore crafters went through A LOT to obtain the first Glass motifs, and instead of being able to show off all their hard work, it was added into the crown store almost immediately. Suffice it to say they were pretty upset, and with good reason.
ZOS admitted it was a mistake on ESO Live, and won't be doing it again.

Scyantific

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Can't buy Mercenary, Ancient Orc or Akaviri motifs in the crown store yet either. Its not just the Xyvkin

Wasn't even aware that those existed in the game.

Came in the latest patch, and Mercenary already crashed in price. It's hovering around pre 2.0 Dwemer motif levels of pricing now.

Been waiting for Xivkyn to drop in the cash store, personally. Legitimately the only motif that I'd be willing to drop some Crowns on (Glass motif looks like a hot steaming pile of garbage and you couldn't pay me to use it).

Tholian1

Alucardo wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Still not understanding what the mistake was with them selling glass motifs in the Crown Store. I finally got enough pieces to form one page last night for the low low cost of 10k gold. I was rewarded with glass gloves. I'm just a bit underwhelmed with the experience of obtaining the motif in the game.

But then, I suppose that is my fault for not having the time to game the system with multiple characters to gain the fragments faster.

The hardcore crafters went through A LOT to obtain the first Glass motifs, and instead of being able to show off all their hard work, it was added into the crown store almost immediately. Suffice it to say they were pretty upset, and with good reason.
ZOS admitted it was a mistake on ESO Live, and won't be doing it again.

What exactly is a hardcore crafter? I'm a crafter too. Devote my skill points to every crafting passive before anything else. Like I said in my post, after all this time, was finally able to create my first page for glass. I don't consider gaming the system with multiple characters to be any more deserving than anyone else.

Alucardo

Tholian1 wrote: »

What exactly is a hardcore crafter? I'm a crafter too. Devote my skill points to every crafting passive before anything else. Like I said in my post, after all this time, was finally able to create my first page for glass. I don't consider gaming the system with multiple characters to be any more deserving than anyone else.

I'm not exactly a hardcore crafter myself, so I can't explain the full details. But more than a lot of people were upset with the glass motif going to the crown store so soon that ZOS brought it up on ESO Live and apologised.
I think it's a fair compromise to wait a while before bringing it to the crown store.

Azurephoenix999

Tholian1 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Still not understanding what the mistake was with them selling glass motifs in the Crown Store. I finally got enough pieces to form one page last night for the low low cost of 10k gold. I was rewarded with glass gloves. I'm just a bit underwhelmed with the experience of obtaining the motif in the game.

But then, I suppose that is my fault for not having the time to game the system with multiple characters to gain the fragments faster.

The hardcore crafters went through A LOT to obtain the first Glass motifs, and instead of being able to show off all their hard work, it was added into the crown store almost immediately. Suffice it to say they were pretty upset, and with good reason.
ZOS admitted it was a mistake on ESO Live, and won't be doing it again.

What exactly is a hardcore crafter? I'm a crafter too. Devote my skill points to every crafting passive before anything else. Like I said in my post, after all this time, was finally able to create my first page for glass. I don't consider gaming the system with multiple characters to be any more deserving than anyone else.

I agree with you.

Getting items for your main shouldn't be your only reason for making an alt. Treating alts like this trivialises them, makes them seem like nothing more than a tool.

People are complaining about not having enough character slots? Please. We all know the reason you want more, and it's got nothing to do with experiencing the game again for the 9th time.

TERMINAT0R_XVII

Tholian1 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Still not understanding what the mistake was with them selling glass motifs in the Crown Store. I finally got enough pieces to form one page last night for the low low cost of 10k gold. I was rewarded with glass gloves. I'm just a bit underwhelmed with the experience of obtaining the motif in the game.

But then, I suppose that is my fault for not having the time to game the system with multiple characters to gain the fragments faster.

The hardcore crafters went through A LOT to obtain the first Glass motifs, and instead of being able to show off all their hard work, it was added into the crown store almost immediately. Suffice it to say they were pretty upset, and with good reason.
ZOS admitted it was a mistake on ESO Live, and won't be doing it again.

What exactly is a hardcore crafter? I'm a crafter too. Devote my skill points to every crafting passive before anything else. Like I said in my post, after all this time, was finally able to create my first page for glass. I don't consider gaming the system with multiple characters to be any more deserving than anyone else.

There are 2 types of hardcore crafters: "The Hoarder" and "The Naturalist"
"The hoarder" exploits the system and gets his/ her own private guild bank and is filled with nothing but full stacks of crafting mats they bought off guild traders, never selling them hoarding them for their own use only "I am not going into detail how because its despicable"
"The Naturalist" Keeps only one or two stacks of every crafting resource in their own personal bank and when they run out they go node farming, consumables nodes are another thing lol, then refine the raw mats and sell what they dont need on a guild trader.

There might be more but this is how I see them.

Nirnrot

I wear full Xyvkin o.0 makes me feel accomplished because I crafted it myself. Took lots of time and gold but I'm glad it's not available on crownstore yet.

Enodoc

Jura23 wrote: »

If somebody wants to buy the style with cash, they can buy ingame gold with cash and then the style.

You can't buy in-game gold with cash.

kylewwefan

I'm feeling torn. I want to buy the motifs so I can craft glass and xyfkin, but you can just get them in the game by playing. It majorly deflates the utility of buying them with real money. 5000crowns? That's like $50..... It's more than the game is worth.....what am I gonna do. I'm feeling like real money should trump in game items %100 of the time. But this is not the case. Can't there be something game worthy exclusive you can buy?

TERMINAT0R_XVII

Jura23 wrote: »

If somebody wants to buy the style with cash, they can buy ingame gold with cash and then the style.

The way your thinking of is copyright infringement ya know......... you could be sued by Zenimax.

Ashtaris

Don't worry, Rich Lambert already said on a ESO Live that the Xvikyn style will be available on the crown store. The only reason it isn't now is because Elloa had a rage video about the Glass motif being released too soon so now they are holding back a bit Actually though, I have to admit, the Glass motif was nothing special and wasn't worth the Crown store purchase. They could have done a MUCH better job on the style.

Enodoc

kylewwefan wrote: »

I'm feeling torn. I want to buy the motifs so I can craft glass and xyfkin, but you can just get them in the game by playing. It majorly deflates the utility of buying them with real money. 5000crowns? That's like $50..... It's more than the game is worth.....what am I gonna do. I'm feeling like real money should trump in game items %100 of the time. But this is not the case. Can't there be something game worthy exclusive you can buy?

No, because then you'd be paying for some sort of advantage, which would be unfair on people who cannot afford to buy something from the Crown Store, or simply don't want to out of principle. You should never be able to pay real money to get an in-game advantage, and this is why in-game items are always superior to Crown Store items. This is also why motifs are so expensive -- you can get them in-game, but if you can't be asked to spend the time getting them, since they provide no advantage, you can dump loads on money on ZOS and get them immediately.

Azurephoenix999

I can understand not wanting your achievement to be undervalued, and by extension why you don't want them to add Xyvkin to the crown store at the present time.

I do think it should be on the crown store at some point, but time should pass first.

Maybe around January/February?

If IC came out in September then 4-5 months before it pops up on the crown store should be fairly alright...right?

Jayne_Doe

Plus, Xivkyn isn't really that hard to come by. I've seen a lot of these pages in guild traders, and prices are coming down. Even someone who doesn't play IC can get ahold of all of the chapters at a fairly reasonable price. Even the crafting material has been available for purchase at guild traders.

So, for those who found all the pages on their own, that is an achievement, but others can easily get the same thing for not that much work/cash, at this point. Who's to know how someone got their full set of Xivkyn anyway.

However, I do agree that waiting a few months before putting the motifs in the Crown Store is a good thing, both in fairness to those who worked hard to get the pages and for the guild trader market.

Emma_Overload

ZOS loves gankers and hates carebears, so they want you to keep farming those trophies.

Alucardo

Nirnrot wrote: »

I wear full Xyvkin o.0 makes me feel accomplished because I crafted it myself. Took lots of time and gold but I'm glad it's not available on crownstore yet.

This is exactly why the crafters were upset with the inclusion of the Glass motif so soon. Well, that and the fact it greatly devalued its price, meaning after they had dropped themselves the motifs, they couldn't sell it as high when it was added to the crown store. Why would you pay top coin for something you can just conveniently buy for real money?

Tholian1

Ashtaris wrote: »

Don't worry, Rich Lambert already said on a ESO Live that the Xvikyn style will be available on the crown store. The only reason it isn't now is because Elloa had a rage video about the Glass motif being released too soon so now they are holding back a bit Actually though, I have to admit, the Glass motif was nothing special and wasn't worth the Crown store purchase. They could have done a MUCH better job on the style.

Well that's good news. I suspected as much about the other thing you mentioned. When you get down to core reasons, it is about gaming the system quickly so you can be one of the few to benefit by selling them for exorbitant amounts of money. If ZOS wanted to give crafting meaning, they would set up an in game system for crafters to easily sell their services to other players. All crafters and not just the select, self-important few.

Anyway, glad the motif is coming to the crown store.

Stx

Anyone who feels accomplished by other players NOT having something is a destructive type of player as far as I'm concerned. There is no good reason for motifs to not be available for a large price on the Crown store. Cosmetic items are by far one of the best things to include in a cash shop actually.

Farming / buying motifs with gold is no indication of accomplishment. It just indicates you have gold or time to kill. Depending on how rare it is, I guess dedication could be applauded. But anyway, crafters being "upset" that motifs are available on the Crown store need to suck it up and re-evaluate why they play games in the first place. Sounds like a selfish lot.

Enodoc

Stx wrote: »

But anyway, crafters being "upset" that motifs are available on the Crown store need to suck it up and re-evaluate why they play games in the first place. Sounds like a selfish lot.

Maybe they play games specifically to craft stuff and earn money by crafting, then spend that on more crafting mats to craft some more?

dRudE

I enjoy farming the motifs ingame so that crowns can be speant on mounts. No use in rocking ancient orc armor without a bear mount to make it pop!