[Bug][Game Breaking] Look at the skills you changed yesterday again.

omfgitsbatman

@ZOS_GinaBruno
I don't want to go too far into detail here, but Would gladly describe every detail in a private message. There are quite a few skills that were changed on 11/9/2015 that seem to be Ticking very very wrong. I am talking at least by a factor of 10. It is absolutely gamebreaking and makes at least one class basically immortal... Trust me, I tested it.
I highly reccommend that you and your team take a closer look at all the skills and morphs of skills that were changed yesterday.

sadownik

You got to be shitting me, again a week of bugged immortal players running around? This time its NB's time as i have heard?

olsborg

refreshing path is all but broken....so broken

TiberX

i have sent a report already

Legedric

This is so... *facepalm*

Pomaikai

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

UltimaJoe777

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

lathbury

have sent a video and posted pics its healing me for 15k a tick

Alucardo

Legedric wrote: »

This is so... *facepalm*

LOL holy crap that's funny

coolermh

working as intended...

sadownik

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

Unfortunately your feeling of high esteem for Z. is quite off the mark. A week for fixing 1 game breaking bug just to introduce at least 1 more is the incompetence of magnitude that i have seen just in niche or indie products, not in multi million AAA game.

Alucardo

Brb logging magicka nb to farm some easy AP

omfgitsbatman

Well, since It's no longer obscure... My refreshing paths were crit healing myself for over 18k outside of cyrodiil and 9k inside of cyrodiil. That's every tick.

lathbury

Just fired all the healers from guild its ok boys I got this

UltimaJoe777

sadownik wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

Unfortunately your feeling of high esteem for Z. is quite off the mark. A week for fixing 1 game breaking bug just to introduce at least 1 more is the incompetence of magnitude that i have seen just in niche or indie products, not in multi million AAA game.

You misunderstand. Zenimax is not perfect, nor is anyone else. Mistakes are always made and mistakes are not necessarily intentional, yet people criticize them first chance they get anyway. So I hold Zenimax in high esteem because I don't bash them the moment something goes wrong because I believe they are supposed to be perfect and never get anything wrong? Tell ya what, palsy: You go make and operate such a huge game, never make a single mistake, and then we'll talk ok? I don't criticize Zenimax because I know they didn't do this stuff on purpose and will fix it when they know about it and can, but unfortunately there are many who are quick to judge without even considering their position...

Flameheart

Holy crap, it crits for 30k healing...per tick Hey you shouldn't have nerfed WGT and Prison if NBs had such a heal before.

You should add 1k stamina reg per tick to compensate for Templar spears and repentance :-)

Pomaikai

You know, if they actually COMMUNICATED with us, rather than ignoring us, we'd all probably be a whole lot less harsh.

However, none of that makes up for not being able to do basic maths.

Genomic

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

Unfortunately your feeling of high esteem for Z. is quite off the mark. A week for fixing 1 game breaking bug just to introduce at least 1 more is the incompetence of magnitude that i have seen just in niche or indie products, not in multi million AAA game.

You misunderstand. Zenimax is not perfect, nor is anyone else. Mistakes are always made and mistakes are not necessarily intentional, yet people criticize them first chance they get anyway. So I hold Zenimax in high esteem because I don't bash them the moment something goes wrong because I believe they are supposed to be perfect and never get anything wrong? Tell ya what, palsy: You go make and operate such a huge game, never make a single mistake, and then we'll talk ok? I don't criticize Zenimax because I know they didn't do this stuff on purpose and will fix it when they know about it and can, but unfortunately there are many who are quick to judge without even considering their position...

None of that made any sense.

Islyn

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

NO you can personally vouch that YOU overlook one thing or another at times.

Please stop defending this stuff. It's starting to look like you're being paid to do it.

UltimaJoe777

Genomic wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

Unfortunately your feeling of high esteem for Z. is quite off the mark. A week for fixing 1 game breaking bug just to introduce at least 1 more is the incompetence of magnitude that i have seen just in niche or indie products, not in multi million AAA game.

You misunderstand. Zenimax is not perfect, nor is anyone else. Mistakes are always made and mistakes are not necessarily intentional, yet people criticize them first chance they get anyway. So I hold Zenimax in high esteem because I don't bash them the moment something goes wrong because I believe they are supposed to be perfect and never get anything wrong? Tell ya what, palsy: You go make and operate such a huge game, never make a single mistake, and then we'll talk ok? I don't criticize Zenimax because I know they didn't do this stuff on purpose and will fix it when they know about it and can, but unfortunately there are many who are quick to judge without even considering their position...

None of that made any sense.

I can honestly only respond to that with a head-hang. I will try to simplify my post though:

No one ever does something 100% perfectly. *** happens, and it gets fixed along the way, but it in no way means the devs are incompetent. Before you can truly judge them you must know what it is they do and how hard they work. Sadly, some people just don't care and judge them anyway.

Better?

Islyn wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

NO you can personally vouch that YOU overlook one thing or another at times.

Please stop defending this stuff. It's starting to look like you're being paid to do it.

You don't need to be paid to do what is right. Zenimax is constantly unjustly bashed for completely normal issues that come up during a patch or update when in hindsight it is honestly insignificant to the work they perform. I just happen to know that it all comes with the territory of being a coder because I myself have dabbled in coding. Of course the coding they do is far more complex and issues can just materialize out of nowhere at any given time but considering how few errors occur for such a huge game, especially compared to a game like TESV: Skyrim, I think Zenimax does a bang up job! Is it my fault not many can see this? Perhaps you should try to see things from a more positive perspective before you resort to mindless bashing.

Alucardo

I'm not sure whether to PvP, solo Molag, or complete the maelstrom arena first.. omg the possibilities are endless.

Function

At least they didn't wipe the leaderboards yet.. fix this ASAP ZoS.. then wipe the leaderboards.

sadownik

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

Unfortunately your feeling of high esteem for Z. is quite off the mark. A week for fixing 1 game breaking bug just to introduce at least 1 more is the incompetence of magnitude that i have seen just in niche or indie products, not in multi million AAA game.

You misunderstand. Zenimax is not perfect, nor is anyone else. Mistakes are always made and mistakes are not necessarily intentional, yet people criticize them first chance they get anyway. So I hold Zenimax in high esteem because I don't bash them the moment something goes wrong because I believe they are supposed to be perfect and never get anything wrong? Tell ya what, palsy: You go make and operate such a huge game, never make a single mistake, and then we'll talk ok? I don't criticize Zenimax because I know they didn't do this stuff on purpose and will fix it when they know about it and can, but unfortunately there are many who are quick to judge without even considering their position...

Im sorry if you took it personally, i really am. But i could not notice that you used only 2 of holy trinity of arguments used by Z. admirers in such a situations.

1. bugs happen in every mmo (check)
2. you need to be an experienced coder to judge the quality of product (check)
3. ESO has bugs? Haha look at WOW at its release! (yeah you forgot that one)

Lava_Croft

Thanks for the nice buff to this skill, now it's viable.

Islyn

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that they don't actually play their own damned game. That would explain the *** poor QA we see on a daily basis. Well that, and maybe we should start a Go Fund Me to help send their coders to some remedial math classes...

Unfortunately your "feeling" would be quite off the mark. They do test this stuff but unexpected bugs can still occur. That of course is why they appreciate these kinds of reports and feedback. It's a huge game and they cannot keep tabs on every single digit of coding at all times... Every coder overlooks one thing or another at times, this I can personally vouch for.

Unfortunately your feeling of high esteem for Z. is quite off the mark. A week for fixing 1 game breaking bug just to introduce at least 1 more is the incompetence of magnitude that i have seen just in niche or indie products, not in multi million AAA game.

You misunderstand. Zenimax is not perfect, nor is anyone else. Mistakes are always made and mistakes are not necessarily intentional, yet people criticize them first chance they get anyway. So I hold Zenimax in high esteem because I don't bash them the moment something goes wrong because I believe they are supposed to be perfect and never get anything wrong? Tell ya what, palsy: You go make and operate such a huge game, never make a single mistake, and then we'll talk ok? I don't criticize Zenimax because I know they didn't do this stuff on purpose and will fix it when they know about it and can, but unfortunately there are many who are quick to judge without even considering their position...

I am sorry but actually YOU misunderstand. You've really just not been here long enough to judge how those of us who have feel about it.

We pay them. That's our part. They should do the job right. That's their part.

You say 'something' goes wrong like it's rare.

No one is criticising ZOS for making ONE mistake. Or Some. Or Many. Or Several. We are criticising the fact that every fix leads to more issues.

I really don't want to argue with you but seriously google ESO and bugs and you can see that it's not like anyone here is just 'Being Mean' to ZOS.

I promise.

Alucardo

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You don't need to be paid to do what is right. Zenimax is constantly unjustly bashed for completely normal issues that come up during a patch or update when in hindsight it is honestly insignificant to the work they perform.

Unjustly? How does basic crap like this pass QA testing? Why do players find this stuff out almost immediately, but the game developers let it slide?
I can understand really odd bugs getting through that are hard to replicate, but we're talking about nearly stupid amounts of healing from a single skill, and instant stamina regeneration in the last patch. It's becoming absurd. These are GAME BREAKING problems, and I have no idea how they don't notice this before shipping it. Stop defending them you idiot and let them take some responsibility.

Robo_Hobo

Seems legit

Who said NB's couldn't be healers

Septimus_Magna

Not bad, 84.3k healing from and 11.4k damage from single cast.

I guess Im doing vet MA on my NB tonight xD

Alucardo

LOL walk into the church and there's like 50 Nightblades standing around the shrine of stendarr

Reverb

Yes, coders make mistakes. But the frequency with which zeni's coding mistakes make it into the live environment indicates a serious breakdown in QA. Every tech industry I've worked with has production validation as part of the change management policy. Changes are tested in house (then sometimes by your customers in a test environment), then the system is taken offline to push the changes live.

Then - while the system is still down - your testing team validates and signs off on all changes made, as well as general functionality and stability. Only after all validation signoffs are received is the system declared "live" and reopened to all users. Even emergency changes should go through a truncated version of this process.

It's clearly missing, or done poorly, in the zeni studio.

CtrlAltDlt

This is why nothing relevant gets fixed, another patch, now another week fixing what you just broke, I'm sorry for saying this but pull your *** together, it's infuriating that we still have to deal with cyradil lag, fps issues. LOADING *** SCREENS. Where is your QA??