tired of excuses...

warpower9

Quite often I see players making excuses for why things are the way they are in eso. Other games (eq2 for example) have way more classes and skills to balance and they have very little problems from my experience playing these "other' games. Having played here since closed beta weekends I have seen more negative than positive in terms of game play. PvP has gotten worse, cheats/exploits/hacks are more rampant than ever before, just read these forums if you have not seen it with your own eyes. PvE has become a grind fest basically, we are forced to chase content strictly for skyshards/skill points. I could go on about lag ,latency, stat imbalances from class to class, the un-needed nerf hammer, and lack of communication from zos to the player base. But... the bottom line is it is all excuses imo. Maybe this game is just a cash grab to fund other stuff like fallout4, can not prove so leaving that there. The road ahead letters have stopped as far as I can tell, yes they do twitch now but what if I don't have time for that? So here I am adding my 2 cents. Many of you already know the REAL ISSUES around here and do not need it rehashed. I believe that there are solutions to all of this BUT, I do not believe zos cares really. Matter of fact one of my ex guild mates worked for zos at one time and told me prior to IC dlc that zos intended on running this game to the ground in order to close it for future projects, how true it is? Not for me to say but just look around for a min, how does it feel to you? So I AM CALLING OUT ZENIMAX ONLINE NO MORE EXCUSES, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. How many quit already, how many will quit in the near future, do something about the current state of the ENTIRE GAME. If they do not make actions in the very very near future I purpose we ALL VOTE WITH OUR WALLET. What will we do in the mean time hit up any mmo site and check out the upcoming releases plenty of good stuff coming early to mid 2016. Get to work zos or be prepared to loose funds. ESO was a dream that many of us stand behind for many different reasons but the vision is failing imo. Actually makes me regret spending hours reporting gold sellers and botters back at launch, maybe the game should have died back then. I often wonder what goes through these dev's brains. I will say there has been some improvements and changes but not enough to warrant any real praise imo. So to all new or returning players that may read this I will honestly say at this time the game is a big MESS don't buy into it blindly read these forums through and through first. Don't bother trolling cause I could care less.

rager82b14_ESO

Wall of text bro, but this game was built around excuses even from developers.

wayfarerx

On the right-hand side of your keyboard is a key marked "Enter". If you hit that a couple times between every few sentences the chances that people will read your post increase dramatically.

Komma

Break you message in to paragraphs. Near impossible to get through without eye strain...

Zorrashi

Mind organizing your opinion a bit better? It's a rather intimidating wall of text right now.

Gidorick

warpower9 wrote: »

Don't bother trolling cause I could care less.

The phrase is "Couldn't care less." Saying you COULD care less means you care some...

heheh.. sorry the temptation to correct a colloquialism in a sentence about trolling was too much to pass up.

As for the rest of the post. I cant' say you're wrong OP, but this thread will change absolutely nothing. Unless you feel better after venting. Do you feel better after getting all that out there?

Stonesthrow

My favorite part was that ESO is a "cash grab" for other projects like Fallout... omg, stop, it hurts... BWAHAHAAHAA!

But seriously, ESO is only grabbing cash for ESO... so IT can stay alive. I would bet several of the 1000s and 1000s of crowns I have purchased to further this endeavor on that fact.

This game has had... <cough> has <cough>>... it's share of problems and has since Beta, but I still like it, still play it and based on Wrothgar, I am very happy with the direction and quality. But, that's me. I still miss Paul and Nick though,

BTW OP, do you carry blank picket signs and a sharpie marker in your trunk? It's just the picture I got in my head towards the end there...

Digiman

@warpower9 I agree, though I doubt they are diverting funds for bethsada products since its a subsidiary company. But yes I finding that the developers are lacking in the development department and some are just out right inept or think they can't be wrong when making decisions for development in this game.

Sad thing is there biggest flaw is they don't look 4 months ahead when designing content, sticking in gimmicks like 4 player grouped zones or shield breaker required gear for a boss that also breaks a pvp survival mechanic they forced on a class when they changed the armor rating system.

Not to mention the huge amount of bugs they seem to miss or add when fixing missed ones.

The crown store for me has become an expensive joke with most material on there costing $40 or try your luck with RNG loot so low it will trip you.

Hope499

warpower9 wrote: »

Quite often I see players making excuses for why things are the way they are in eso. Other games (eq2 for example) have way more classes and skills to balance and they have very little problems from my experience playing these "other' games.

Having played here since closed beta weekends I have seen more negative than positive in terms of game play. PvP has gotten worse, cheats/exploits/hacks are more rampant than ever before, just read these forums if you have not seen it with your own eyes.

PvE has become a grind fest basically, we are forced to chase content strictly for skyshards/skill points. I could go on about lag ,latency, stat imbalances from class to class, the un-needed nerf hammer, and lack of communication from zos to the player base. But... the bottom line is it is all excuses imo. Maybe this game is just a cash grab to fund other stuff like fallout4, can not prove so leaving that there. The road ahead letters have stopped as far as I can tell, yes they do twitch now but what if I don't have time for that?

So here I am adding my 2 cents. Many of you already know the REAL ISSUES around here and do not need it rehashed. I believe that there are solutions to all of this BUT, I do not believe zos cares really. Matter of fact one of my ex guild mates worked for zos at one time and told me prior to IC dlc that zos intended on running this game to the ground in order to close it for future projects, how true it is? Not for me to say but just look around for a min, how does it feel to you?


So I AM CALLING OUT ZENIMAX ONLINE NO MORE EXCUSES, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. How many quit already, how many will quit in the near future, do something about the current state of the ENTIRE GAME. If they do not make actions in the very very near future I purpose we ALL VOTE WITH OUR WALLET.


What will we do in the mean time hit up any mmo site and check out the upcoming releases plenty of good stuff coming early to mid 2016. Get to work zos or be prepared to loose funds. ESO was a dream that many of us stand behind for many different reasons but the vision is failing imo.

Actually makes me regret spending hours reporting gold sellers and botters back at launch, maybe the game should have died back then. I often wonder what goes through these dev's brains. I will say there has been some improvements and changes but not enough to warrant any real praise imo. So to all new or returning players that may read this I will honestly say at this time the game is a big MESS don't buy into it blindly read these forums through and through first.

Don't bother trolling cause I could care less.

There bro, its called "enter"

daemonios

Gidorick wrote: »

warpower9 wrote: »

Don't bother trolling cause I could care less.

The phrase is "Couldn't care less." Saying you COULD care less means you care some...

heheh.. sorry the temptation to correct a colloquialism in a sentence about trolling was too much to pass up.

As for the rest of the post. I cant' say you're wrong OP, but this thread will change absolutely nothing. Unless you feel better after venting. Do you feel better after getting all that out there?

I would only add this:

Furor

warpower9 wrote: »

Quite often I see players making excuses for why things are the way they are in eso. Other games (eq2 for example) have way more classes and skills to balance and they have very little problems from my experience playing these "other' games.

Having played here since closed beta weekends I have seen more negative than positive in terms of game play. PvP has gotten worse, cheats/exploits/hacks are more rampant than ever before, just read these forums if you have not seen it with your own eyes.

PvE has become a grind fest basically, we are forced to chase content strictly for skyshards/skill points. I could go on about lag ,latency, stat imbalances from class to class, the un-needed nerf hammer, and lack of communication from zos to the player base. But... the bottom line is it is all excuses imo. Maybe this game is just a cash grab to fund other stuff like fallout4, can not prove so leaving that there.

The road ahead letters have stopped as far as I can tell, yes they do twitch now but what if I don't have time for that? So here I am adding my 2 cents. Many of you already know the REAL ISSUES around here and do not need it rehashed. I believe that there are solutions to all of this BUT, I do not believe zos cares really.

Matter of fact one of my ex guild mates worked for zos at one time and told me prior to IC dlc that zos intended on running this game to the ground in order to close it for future projects, how true it is? Not for me to say but just look around for a min, how does it feel to you? So I AM CALLING OUT ZENIMAX ONLINE NO MORE EXCUSES, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

How many quit already, how many will quit in the near future, do something about the current state of the ENTIRE GAME. If they do not make actions in the very very near future I purpose we ALL VOTE WITH OUR WALLET.

What will we do in the mean time hit up any mmo site and check out the upcoming releases plenty of good stuff coming early to mid 2016. Get to work zos or be prepared to loose funds.

ESO was a dream that many of us stand behind for many different reasons but the vision is failing imo. Actually makes me regret spending hours reporting gold sellers and botters back at launch, maybe the game should have died back then. I often wonder what goes through these dev's brains.

I will say there has been some improvements and changes but not enough to warrant any real praise imo. So to all new or returning players that may read this I will honestly say at this time the game is a big MESS don't buy into it blindly read these forums through and through first. Don't bother trolling cause I could care less.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

This thread is a good thread. The apologist behavior from other players is not helping us get a better game. we have waited. We have given them the benefit of the doubt. time for answers.

Asherons_Call

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wayfarerx

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

This thread is a good thread. The apologist behavior from other players is not helping us get a better game. we have waited. We have given them the benefit of the doubt. time for answers.

The game has its share of problems no doubt, however individual threads that address specific problems and posit actionable solutions are much more likely to induce change than wall-of-text, caps-lock-warrior rants.

Yes, reasonable threads might not get their problems addressed quickly (i.e. text chat for console, loading screens, etc), but they will at least garner a /lurk every so often. As a developer I wouldn't even know where to start with gems like:

warpower9 wrote: »

Matter of fact one of my ex guild mates worked for zos at one time and told me prior to IC dlc that zos intended on running this game to the ground in order to close it for future projects, how true it is?

Really?

Xendyn

wayfarerx wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

This thread is a good thread. The apologist behavior from other players is not helping us get a better game. we have waited. We have given them the benefit of the doubt. time for answers.

The game has its share of problems no doubt, however individual threads that address specific problems and posit actionable solutions are much more likely to induce change than wall-of-text, caps-lock-warrior rants.

Yes, reasonable threads might not get their problems addressed quickly (i.e. text chat for console, loading screens, etc), but they will at least garner a /lurk every so often. As a developer I wouldn't even know where to start with gems like:

warpower9 wrote: »

Matter of fact one of my ex guild mates worked for zos at one time and told me prior to IC dlc that zos intended on running this game to the ground in order to close it for future projects, how true it is?

Really?

Yeh sure
My sister's best friend's cousin's uncle told me the same thing.



(and I don't even have a sister)

DenMoria

Uhm... Unless you're a min/maxer or are chasing trophies and leader boards, I really don't see any of it as very valid complaints.

I've been playing for months now and don't have any complaints other than standard mechanics ones. I farm rarely, and then only if I'm looking to make something.

I could care less about accomplishments or trophies or being "the best".

I like ESO. Is it perfect? Of course not, but, what's the big beef here?

I understand people who say that things are "too hard" or "too easy", but, so what? They are for you, not for everybody.

I thought that one of the quests re Camlorn was too hard for me too (you know the one in the past) because I was basically by myself facing 10 people, but, then I thought about it. Why is it too hard? You have a companion and, as a mage, you have your clanfear and you're even a level above what your supposed to be.

So I learned the mechanics and played smart, using strategy and position and, eventually I beat it.

I went to Cyrodil when I hit level 10 with my mage and was, of course, immediately ganked. But then I tried again, and again, and again. I brought some detection potions I'd made and even favorited a healing potion and, guess what! I actually made it a little way in! I was so excited. I knew I was too low a level, but, for the first time, I'd actually made a little progress. I was so happy and knew I could come back when I was stronger and stand a chance.

I was facing the final boss sequences in Camlorn and I just couldn't win and kept getting mobbed by the enemies and thought I would never win. But I kept trying and honed my skills until I was able to make it to the final boss. Guess what, he killed me over and over and over. And then I realized I hadn't been listening the whole time. Fire! My goodness. Fire! And I had my clanfear to distract him. Guess what. I won there too.

It's a learning curve. You don't need the best gear. You don't need to be the strongest or the fastest or the best. You just need to learn and to maximize yourself with what you've got.

All the whining really won't help and the developer of the game certainly has done enough pandering to loud, if tiny, fractions of the user community.

Honestly. When I read these forums, I would think that EVERYTHING is wrong with this game, but, then I realized that, forum posters are a minute fraction of actual players. Isn't it funny that the vast majority of players have no problems with the game at all?

Odd,yes?

wayfarerx

DenMoria wrote: »

Honestly. When I read these forums, I would think that EVERYTHING is wrong with this game, but, then I realized that, forum posters are a minute fraction of actual players. Isn't it funny that the vast majority of players have no problems with the game at all?

There are some legitimate problems with the game, but the level of hyperbole on the forums is pretty intense.

vamp_emily

IjusthadtopostthisIreadtheopandeventhoughitwasablockoftextIstillunderstooditwhydoeseveryonehavetopointoutthebadinpeoplesposts?

edit:

oops i forgot to format my message.

Tandor

warpower9 wrote: »

Quite often I see players making excuses for why things are the way they are in eso. Other games (eq2 for example) have way more classes and skills to balance and they have very little problems from my experience playing these "other' games.

I only got this far into the wall of text.

EQ2 had enormous class balancing and skill issues in the first couple of years, heck the game had to be dumbed down because players were too vocal on the forums about the need to play an archetype for the first 10 levels or so before choosing how to specialise. Massive changes have been made to the class structure and skill balancing over the past 12 years. If you want to pursue the argument that other games are more balanced and less problematic in their first couple of years than ESO, then I suggest you pick a better example to support your case!

DenMoria

vamp_emily wrote: »

IjusthadtopostthisIreadtheopandeventhoughitwasablockoftextIstillunderstooditwhydoeseveryonehavetopointoutthebadinpeoplesposts?

edit:

oops i forgot to format my message.

Awesome! And I agree with you.

LindsC

Tl;dr

Hateanthem

But in Skyrim...

DenMoria

Hateanthem wrote: »

But in Skyrim...

HA!

ItsMeToo

This game is awesome.

Can I have your stuff?

ZOS_Alex

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