Best mundus stone for DPS sorc?

Mhylton44142

I like the Atronach for increased magic recovery, but also thought the the thief stone to increase critical strike chance, and the apprentice to increase spell damage were good. Anyone have any thoughts they'd like to share?

Anzriel

Thief for dps. Atronach is more for sustain and you'll probably rely more on elemental drain and magicka regen for that. Or if you're using twice-born star, thief and shadow seems best. (This is all pve, in pvp use atronach IMO)

elium85

Yeah, if you look at pure DPS, Thief and Shadow are the two best, depending upon your current Critical Strike chance on Spells

DannyLV702

For pvp i find the Atronach to be better. You will die if your sustain isn't decent

raasdal

What about the Mage for more Magicka. Gives both damage, defence and well - sustain in a way...?

Emma_Overload

As long as your crit is around 50% or higher, Shadow is the best. If your crit is dragging around that 30-40% range (or lower), I would go with Thief.

Oh_Skrivva

I agree with what Emma said but take in consideration if you have around 50% crit and have a good amount of Cp into elf born than you can venture into either mage stone oro apprentice Mundus. That's the situation my sorc is in atm with 50% crit and 46 points into elf born I've been seeing some better dps in mage Mundus instead of shadow. Tried apprentice Mundus which as good as well but Becausee I'm running molag set. Resources can drain quite quickly. If I wasn't running the 2 piece of that I might use apprentice. I'm still testing this theory of mine out but it seems promising so far.

Dracane

Most people recommend the thief or the shadow.
I myself always go with the mage for my build. I tested the thief and it was horrible.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

Why has no one suggested the Apprentice?

I use that for increased Spell Damage on my sorc

remilafo

Apprentice is the worst one..

thief or shadow depending on gear and champion point distribution.

mage is okay if you need the magicka

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

read it and learn.

thedeathoflove

remilafo wrote: »

Apprentice is the worst one..

thief or shadow depending on gear and champion point distribution.

mage is okay if you need the magicka

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

read it and learn.

The link you posted LITERALLY says that The Apprentice is the desired one (in most cases), over mage, and too many variables, and crude calculations to compare it to Thief or Shadow. So how is it the worst one? Here are the quotes:

At C160 the Apprentice provides 166 Spell Damage, <i>b</i> is approximately 10.5 and Skill_SD is typically 1.2 due to the Major Sorcery buff. The Mage gives 1320 Magicka at C160 and Skills is typically around 1.31 for a Sorcerer and is lower for Templars. Putting this into the equation, we obtain:
Thus the Apprentice is preferred. The Mage mundus is sometimes preferred due to increasing Magicka pool for stronger shields and higher pet damage as these scale solely off Magicka."

"There are many variables and no obvious simplifications thus I have simply implemented the laborious calculation in my spreadsheet. Similarly the comparison between Apprentice and Shadow is very involved and is implemented in the spreadsheet.
While the equations presented for the Thief are a crude approximation due to the complicated rounding in the more accurate formula for Critical Modifier, it is possible to make a rough comparison between the Thief and Shadow mundus stones."

Lord-Otto

Holy moly, maaan!
This thread is from ->2015!!!<-
(>.>)

Thief is best PvE dps, Thief+Shadow for TBS. Might change with Warhorn nerf.
For PvP, Thief gives most bang, but Mage also gives a bit defense. Atro if you're running low sustain and food, but Witchmother's is an excellent drink. Shadow and Apprentice typically give less damage.

Gothren

the steed mundus stone is great for dps. you should try it.

aLi3nZ

Really depends on what sets you are wearing.

If you are using seducer, lich, amberplasm or warlock you shouldn't need any more sustain. Those sets should provide enough. I would go with apprentice if using one of those sets.

If you have gone full damage with your sets then I would suggest Astronanch for recovery.

maltinkilic

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Holy moly, maaan!
This thread is from ->2015!!!<-
(>.>)

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So you better listen what he says. He had 2 years to test the theories.

Lord-Otto

I'm afraid he's forgotten the results over the years.
=P

maltinkilic

@Mhylton44142 would be very glad that people still trying to answer his question. If he is still playing of course.

If he is still active in game then I suspect he may know the results more than we do.

Izaki

Emma_Overload wrote: »

As long as your crit is around 50% or higher, Shadow is the best. If your crit is dragging around that 30-40% range (or lower), I would go with Thief.

False, Thief by itself is always better than Shadow. You won't see higher numbers on your screen, but you will see higher numbers on your parse. Don't spread misinformation please. Thief is better than Shadow if your Critical Modifier is at least ~10% greater than your Critical Chance. In most PvE DPS builds, this is the case.



So basically, in PvE use the Thief all the time and if running Twice-born Star run Thief and Shadow. For PvP, anything that suits your build.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I have been running TBS for too long, got used to Thief + Shadow, then I got a hold of 5 VO + 5 Spriggan. To maintain the 6:1 m:h armour ratio for undaunted passive and to keep my health above 18k (16014 without it) I still need to use 2 TBS (craftable so one heavy one medium pieces).

But with a crit rating of 69.9% - 79.9% (with and without vigour respectivelt) while using Thief, I cant bring myself to use shadow, dropping crit to 54.8% - 64.8%, 54 is just to dang low it feels.

So I stick with thief.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

In PVE, Thief is best DPS unless wearing TBS, then you go with Thief + Shadow. If you need the attro, you have bad support or a bad rotation. Sustain is not easy on a sorc; I highly suggest you go vampire.

In PVP, I usually go attro for the regen, but there is no right answer here.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

As long as your crit is around 50% or higher, Shadow is the best. If your crit is dragging around that 30-40% range (or lower), I would go with Thief.

This is simply false, please dont listen to it. There is a point where shadow can outweigh thief, but your crit has to be really really high. Thief is the answer on a magic sorc, all day everyday. Most mSorcs are going to be in the low 60's for crit with thief and all divines. If its much higher, its because you are running precise weapons which is beyond stupid. Sharp is the most OP thing in the game.

Minalan

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

In PVE, Thief is best DPS unless wearing TBS, then you go with Thief + Shadow. If you need the attro, you have bad support or a bad rotation. Sustain is not easy on a sorc; I highly suggest you go vampire.

In PVP, I usually go attro for the regen, but there is no right answer here.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

As long as your crit is around 50% or higher, Shadow is the best. If your crit is dragging around that 30-40% range (or lower), I would go with Thief.

This is simply false, please dont listen to it. There is a point where shadow can outweigh thief, but your crit has to be really really high. Thief is the answer on a magic sorc, all day everyday. Most mSorcs are going to be in the low 60's for crit with thief and all divines. If its much higher, its because you are running precise weapons which is beyond stupid. Sharp is the most OP thing in the game.

This is exactly right. The issue though is that thief and shadow mundus ridiculously over perform versus mage or apprentice.

They probably need a nerf to be honest, or mage/apprentice need a buff. 11%+ or so crit and crit damage is just too good on any build compared to a flat 3-4% damage increase.

If you have enough sustain in your build, there's really no other choice.

eMKa8

Anyone still active in this thread ?
I read all the reactions and realised i was using apprentice only because someoNe told me it was the better !

Now i realise i must go thief or shadow for better dps ! Is the extra spell damage of apprentice not good enough compared to the crit chance extra damage ?

Someone was talking about the fact that your crit modifier needs to be higher than crit chance.
What the hell is crit modifier?

zvavi

@eMKa8 usually Thief/shadow are really good but it depends on your gear and champion points, if your crit chance is low you won't want shadow(gear dependant), if your crit dmg is low you wouldn't want thief(champion point, skill & support dependant). If you are running weird build atronach might out dmg the other 2 (thief or shadow) but if you are standing on atleast 50% crit~ and have bonus crit damage from various sources, shadow and thief become really good. The more crit you have the better shadow is.

Bobby_V_Rockit

I’m using Thief gets me to 65% crit which as a vampire helps crit surge keep me alive. Pretty much a choice between 5th piece of Mother’s Sorrow or just using the Thief.

Front bar:
- 5x False God’s Devotion
- 4x Mother’s Sorrow
- 2x Zaan’s
- 1x Thrassian Stranglers

Back Bar:
- 5x False God’s Devotion
- 2x Mother’s Sorrow
- 2x Zaan’s
- 1x Thrassian Stranglers

Narvuntien

I tested it and it was shadow.

(False god, Nercopotence, 2x Crit Chance monster pieces)

Chilly-McFreeze

eMKa8 wrote: »

Anyone still active in this thread ?
I read all the reactions and realised i was using apprentice only because someoNe told me it was the better !

Now i realise i must go thief or shadow for better dps ! Is the extra spell damage of apprentice not good enough compared to the crit chance extra damage ?

Someone was talking about the fact that your crit modifier needs to be higher than crit chance.
What the hell is crit modifier?

Crit modifier is how much extra damage your crits do. Base modifier is 1.5, you do 50% more damage with a crit than with non-crit hits.

You can boost this via buffs (minor/ major force), CP allocation (precise strikes, elfborn), shadow mundus and certain sets.

At a certain crit strike chance it makes sense to invest more into crit modifier than in crit chance. I believe at around 52% percent.

E: seems like zvavi was faster

TheDarkoil

I just always do a quick calculation to see which would benefit me more e.g

I'm sitting at 50% crit chance and have 65% crit damage.

Thief would become -
(61% crit chance) x (65% crit damage) = 3965

Shadow would become -
(50% crit chance) x (84% crit damage) = 4200

Sitting at those base stats it would probably be more beneficial to use shadow but they are close.

Larcomar

Thks thresd keeps getgjng necro'd. Noones mentioned the lover. I may be out of touch but when I set my guy up, it looked like that was the best dps assumjng you werent hitting the 18200 cap - which in a pug or solo youre highly unlikely to. I know alcast has a note on the whole thing and theres a spresdsheet there which will calculate which is best for you. That said, tjis thread makes me wonder if I need to go and reset up mybguy. Have recent patches altered the equation?

Larcomar

Herewith - https://alcasthq.com/eso-shadow-vs-thief-mundus-stone/

Like I say, I did some passes (just 3m) whjch seemed to confirm lover best for my sorc - but they were a long time ago. plus i usually pug or am solo.

OG_Kaveman

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/461743/mundus-stone-choices-for-wrathstone-and-beyond

that is the thread for all your needs on this subject.

maltinkilic

wow this is necromancy. This post s opened at 2015 and now someone is reviving.