Is it true that your character in Oblivion becomes Sheogorath later?

Digielf

In the Shivering Isles expansion, you find out that the current Sheogorath is actually the Daedric prince Jyggalag. Jyggalag threatened the other Daedric princes, so they turned him into Sheogorath. However, every thousand years or something, the grey march occurs and Sheogorath becomes Jyggalag again and is allowed to invade the Shivering Isles.The Hero of Kvatch (your oblivion character) gets involved as part of the Shivering Isles and defeats Jyggalag. This breaks the curse on him and allows him to stay as Jyggalag instead of becoming Sheogorath. An then the Hero of Kvatch is named the new Sheogorath.

So that means the Sheogorath that you meet in Skyrim is acctualy your oblivion character, not only by the events that happened but from all the references that he says during the quests.

AngryNord

That's an interpretation, yes

RinaldoGandolphi

Your half right OP right on the Cusp


The best way to explain this is a passage from the Book of the Dragonborn:

Because of this connection with the Emperors, however, the other significance of the Dragonborn has been obscured and largely forgotten by all but scholars and those of us dedicated to the service of the blessed Talos, Who Was Tiber Septim. Very few realize that being Dragonborn is not a simple matter of heredity - being the blessing of Akatosh Himself, it is beyond our understanding exactly how and why it is bestowed. Those who become Emperor and light the Dragonfires are surely Dragonborn - the proof is in the wearing of the Amulet and the lighting of the Fires. But were they Dragonborn and thus able to do these things - or was the doing the sign of the blessing of Akatosh descending upon them? All that we can say is that it is both, and neither - a divine mystery.

To sum it up, he is the COC yet he isn't the COC....both answers are correct....what was left of the COC was absorbed by the Shivering Isle's thus becoming Sheogorath, yet the COC still exists in the Isles....that underlined part of the Book of the Dragonborn is the best explanation for the situation concering mantling

Robo_Hobo

It's written ambiguously so you can choose if that's the case. I like to think it is the case for my Oblivion character, I even have a bit of a story arc within a story I'm writing planned to include that eventually, although the time it takes place would mean they haven't yet completely lost their pevious identity. It's kind of sad in a way, if you think about it. Immortality but loss of identity. They might as well be dead, but not dead.

Luigi_Vampa

It is one way to look at it, but it is not canon that it happens. For example, Michael Kirkbride doesn't believe that it is true, but he kind of hates the Shivering Isles DLC. It is up to your interpretation. Whatever personal head canon you want, Bethesda hasn't and probably won't ever say that it is absolutely true or not.

Shunravi

Like a lot of the lore, its left up to your interpretation. Is it a factual accounting of events? A ploy to drive the hero mad? How much is true and how much is an illusion? Its up to you

Gidorick

Typhoios wrote: »

It is one way to look at it, but it is not canon that it happens. For example, Michael Kirkbride doesn't believe that it is true, but he kind of hates the Shivering Isles DLC. It is up to your interpretation. Whatever personal head canon you want, Bethesda hasn't and probably won't ever say that it is absolutely true or not.

There is personal truth... then there is what is actually true (in the lore). Beliefs do not create facts.

Like... I made this chart as an interpretation of TES pantheons... There are MANY associations I made here that people disagree with.

Pallmor

Gidorick wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

It is one way to look at it, but it is not canon that it happens. For example, Michael Kirkbride doesn't believe that it is true, but he kind of hates the Shivering Isles DLC. It is up to your interpretation. Whatever personal head canon you want, Bethesda hasn't and probably won't ever say that it is absolutely true or not.

There is personal truth... then there is what is actually true (in the lore). Beliefs do not create facts.

Like... I made this chart as an interpretation of TES pantheons... There are MANY associations I made here that people disagree with.

VERY nice chart, BTW. I'm going to save a copy for reference myself. The TES lore is still confusing as hell to me, even though I've been playing since Morrowind. Makes me wish they would all become monotheists, just to avoid the multiple layers of confusion.

Robo_Hobo

@Gidorick

We all know Akatosh and all of his other names are really just different names for Alkosh, who's just a really big cat. Anyone who believes otherwise is sadly misguided, or unwilling to accept the truth. Do not worry though, Khajiit do not blame them for misspelling his name, or thinking he is something he is not - we just sit and nod while they preach their lies, while holding back our laughs.

Shunravi

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

@Gidorick

We all know Akatosh and all of his other names are really just different names for Alkosh, who's just a really big cat. Anyone who believes otherwise is sadly misguided, or unwilling to accept the truth. Do not worry though, Khajiit do not blame them for misspelling his name, or thinking he is something he is not - we just sit and nod while they preach their lies, while holding back our laughs.

Just because they are envious of His luxurious fur they think they can take Him for their own...

Artjuh90

ha replace the god of schemes HA!
I'll rather have cheese

Artjuh90

Gidorick wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

It is one way to look at it, but it is not canon that it happens. For example, Michael Kirkbride doesn't believe that it is true, but he kind of hates the Shivering Isles DLC. It is up to your interpretation. Whatever personal head canon you want, Bethesda hasn't and probably won't ever say that it is absolutely true or not.

There is personal truth... then there is what is actually true (in the lore). Beliefs do not create facts.

Like... I made this chart as an interpretation of TES pantheons... There are MANY associations I made here that people disagree with.

cause some are plain wrong in that chart.
for example start with the orc's
they were aldermer who worshiped trinimac. boethiah eat trinimac which led to the creation of malcath. this was a corrupted version of trinimac and cause of this corruption the orc became 'corrupted' aswell transforming them in to the orc (or orsmer)

brenton are part imperial and altmer.

and some races are missing like the akaviri/ Tsaesci

Gern_Verkheart

Yes, you do, at the end of the "Shivering Isles" expansion. Sheogorath in TES:V Skyrim even comments on it.

Tannakaobi

Gidorick wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

It is one way to look at it, but it is not canon that it happens. For example, Michael Kirkbride doesn't believe that it is true, but he kind of hates the Shivering Isles DLC. It is up to your interpretation. Whatever personal head canon you want, Bethesda hasn't and probably won't ever say that it is absolutely true or not.

There is personal truth... then there is what is actually true (in the lore). Beliefs do not create facts.

Like... I made this chart as an interpretation of TES pantheons... There are MANY associations I made here that people disagree with.

Nice art work!

Gidorick

Artjuh90 wrote: »

cause some are plain wrong in that chart.
for example start with the orc's
they were aldermer who worshiped trinimac. boethiah eat trinimac which led to the creation of malcath. this was a corrupted version of trinimac and cause of this corruption the orc became 'corrupted' aswell transforming them in to the orc (or orsmer)

For some of the lore associations you have to look a bit more closely @Artjuh90

The black dashed line crossing from the Aedra over to Malacath reads "The Corruption of Trinimac". That takes care of Boethiah consuming Trinimac and the creation of Malak.

The black dashed line descending from the Daedric parchment on the right connecting to the Orsimer pendant also reads "The Corruption of Trinimac" indicating the impact that corruption had on the creation of the Orsimer.

Dotted lines are "influence lines" solid lines are "ascendant lines"

Artjuh90 wrote: »

brenton are part imperial and altmer.

There is a line from the Aldmer and from the Nedes/Atmorans (aka... the wanderers) that converges on the Bretons... indicating lineages from those lines created the Bretons.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

and some races are missing like the akaviri/ Tsaesci

I didn't include any of the races outside of tamriel... partly for room, but mostly because we know nothing of how they came to be.

Gidorick

lol @Robo_Hobo. quite right. When I began the chart I started with the idea that "If a God is worshiped, that god is either Aedra or Daedra". Of course, that thought was proven false and I made some concessions as I learned more about the lore and discussed it with fellow lovers of lore on this forum.

Twas a fun couple of weeks!

Gidorick

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Yes, you do, at the end of the "Shivering Isles" expansion. Sheogorath in TES:V Skyrim even comments on it.

Wouldn't it have been cool if Bethesda did a thing where if you had your oblivion save on your HDD Skyrim would read that save and make the Sheogorath in Skyrim look like your character in Oblivion?

Shunravi

Gidorick wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Yes, you do, at the end of the "Shivering Isles" expansion. Sheogorath in TES:V Skyrim even comments on it.

Wouldn't it have been cool if Bethesda did a thing where if you had your oblivion save on your HDD Skyrim would read that save and make the Sheogorath in Skyrim look like your character in Oblivion?

Referencing the graymarch offhandedly and bringing up a few vague hints about that particular eras one (the most recent) is hardly confirmation. But that would have been fun.

Spacemonkey

I think the whole COC into Sheogorath is the same dilemna as in Morrowind where it's somewhat ambiguous as to whether the main character IS Neverar Reborn (Reincarnation) or simply emulating him as a figurehead in order to deal with the Blight Crisis. You get conflicting point of views from the NPCs throughout the game (Azura/Dagoth Ur vs Caius Cosades/Vivec to name the most obvious imo) and you are basically left to interpret it as you see fit.

I like to think you aren't. Because the backpath is @)(% awesome, and you can deal with the penalty easily with the soultrap glitch (which I like to think is sacrificing my character's SOUL for power) - and it lets you go around the game thinking half the characters are religious morons. - Including Azura. (Pretty cool playing with all the cues pointing to you being better than a Daedra :P - in a game where they are correctly depicted as unbeatable/immortal) - also you end up being able to lift Stendarr's Hammer. ..... dammit, Morrowind making me babble again