Dark Brotherhood PVP Arena

terrordactyl1971

I hope they add a small scale, underground PVP arena to the Dark Brotherhood DLC. I am thinking of something along the lines of "Fight Club", maybe 1v1, 2v2 and 4v4 battles with the option to gamble gold on the result.

Thematically, it would have to be underground training for wannabe murderers. Possibly with a leaderboard and Dark brotherhood rankings all the way up to the speaker and the listener. Obviously the quest line could be PVE, it would be nice for PVP players to have their small scale pvp arena as part of this.

Cyrodiil pvp can be fun, but usually it's not that satisfying as mostly it's a large group zerg. In small scale pvp, your build, gear and tactics matter so much more, it's up close and personal and for that reason would appeal to the Night Mother. I just think it would be a good fit.

Jitterbug

Yes!

Although I will say this... It has been incorporated into almost every signle Arena idea I've seen since launch that we should be able to bet gold on the outcome of a match - while I think it would be delightfully awesome, I will pose this question: How would ZoS go about implementing a betting system that will not be abused?

I think, for the good of our idea, and our love for an arena, we should put a pin in the betting thing.

Otherwise, yes, let's get an arena already.

terrordactyl1971

Probably betting is the wrong word - maybe both players/teams put up cash and the winner keeps it.

Would love to see an underground arena though, especially if it ties in with the lore of the Dark Brotherhood

AFrostWolf

Staking is amazing. Used to do it in another game. It was immensely popular. People would stake X money and fight with the winner keeping all.

That would work better than a Bet on the winner and watch the fight system.

I think we should add an arena just to get the small scale PvPers to shut up.

Jitterbug

Yeah, the idea is perfect. Would fit nicely into the DB as a sort of Fight Club, as you put it. I would personally much prefer that they put it in the Arena from Oblivion, but that's just me being nostalgic.

And don't get me wrong, I like the idea of betting, but just close your eyes for a second and imagine the immensity of the whine on here once someone loses his precious 800 gold to a sorc that blew him up in 1.5 seconds.

terrordactyl1971

The other benefit is that it could be a DLC that caters to both PVE and PVP at the same time. Have the pvp arena and a quest line that is pve. Surely that would be doable and would increase sales for ZOS?

Levo18

I hope not

Robo_Hobo

Hmm, assassins generally avoid open combat when possible - killing people when they least expect it, without giving them a chance to fight back.

But I guess being able to hold their own in a real fight is important to an extent too, in case they don't have the oppurtunity to use stealth.

Still, I think an actual Arena would be a better way to implement the 1v1 concept. Tournaments and all.

terrordactyl1971

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Staking is amazing. Used to do it in another game. It was immensely popular. People would stake X money and fight with the winner keeping all.

That would work better than a Bet on the winner and watch the fight system.

I think we should add an arena just to get the small scale PvPers to shut up.

In fact, the amount of money you put up could be a good way to match make. If you have a pool of 100 players waiting for a fight, why not back yourself by putting up a stake of 1000 gold and see if anyone will match you and fight for it - the winner taking the 2000.

Rather than just random fights, let people put up a stake on how good they think they are and then allow people to take that challenge - it would add a real risk/reward tension dynamic

AnnieBeGood

I want to be able to buy a ticket at the arenas to watch the contestants. Be fun to be able to place a bet too.

Jitterbug

In the mean time I have a buddy or two betting against me every time, and I throw all my fights. We split the spoils. How would that work if we can bet on each other?

terrordactyl1971

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

I want to be able to buy a ticket at the arenas to watch the contestants. Be fun to be able to place a bet too.

Spectating would be fun. I think the issue with standard betting is that people will lose fights on purpose to win large bets and scam the system.

shugg

if they ever do a pvp arena then they need to add duel spec first or the tank population would decrease even more due to not being able to pvp in its current state.. Im all for arena however as a main tank for a raiding guild its a bit disheartening doing the way the game is moving - maelstrom for instance punishes those who tank regally and pvp is difficult 1v1

altemriel

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

I hope they add a small scale, underground PVP arena to the Dark Brotherhood DLC. I am thinking of something along the lines of "Fight Club", maybe 1v1, 2v2 and 4v4 battles with the option to gamble gold on the result.

Thematically, it would have to be underground training for wannabe murderers. Possibly with a leaderboard and Dark brotherhood rankings all the way up to the speaker and the listener. Obviously the quest line could be PVE, it would be nice for PVP players to have their small scale pvp arena as part of this.

Cyrodiil pvp can be fun, but usually it's not that satisfying as mostly it's a large group zerg. In small scale pvp, your build, gear and tactics matter so much more, it's up close and personal and for that reason would appeal to the Night Mother. I just think it would be a good fit.

yes!!! awesome idea!!!

terrordactyl1971

shugg wrote: »

if they ever do a pvp arena then they need to add duel spec first or the tank population would decrease even more due to not being able to pvp in its current state.. Im all for arena however as a main tank for a raiding guild its a bit disheartening doing the way the game is moving - maelstrom for instance punishes those who tank regally and pvp is difficult 1v1

Not sure that's a fair argument. If you've built a tank, then that's what that character does - it tanks group content. Wouldn't you have a different character for pvp? Otherwise you could say it's not fair that DPS characters get to miss out on healing?

lucian_banneb18_ESO

I'm very much in favor of ANY PvP Arena, be it for gold or not.
Sure it would drain people out of Cyrodiil and IC, but I'm 100% convinced that it would HUGELY boost the number of players ESO has.
And if you want people to spread into those areas, simply add various Arenas in different areas, with separate achievements for each one to stimulate players to switch between them.

Also, please Zeni, do something serious about those loading screens... I'm beginning to hate doing anything that would lead me through a loading screen.

terrordactyl1971

lucian_banneb18_ESO wrote: »

I'm very much in favor of ANY PvP Arena, be it for gold or not.
Sure it would drain people out of Cyrodiil and IC, but I'm 100% convinced that it would HUGELY boost the number of players ESO has.
And if you want people to spread into those areas, simply add various Arenas in different areas, with separate achievements for each one to stimulate players to switch between them.

Also, please Zeni, do something serious about those loading screens... I'm beginning to hate doing anything that would lead me through a loading screen.

A possible solution would be to put the Dark Brotherhood in Cyrodiil - or at least the pvp side of the Dark Brotherhood. There could be 3 underground Brotherhood caves, one near each of the 3 alliances. All of the death in Cyrodiil would attract the Night Mother :-) The pve quest line brotherhood caves could be back in the pve areas

Olivierko

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

A possible solution would be to put the Dark Brotherhood in Cyrodiil - or at least the pvp side of the Dark Brotherhood. There could be 3 underground Brotherhood caves, one near each of the 3 alliances. All of the death in Cyrodiil would attract the Night Mother :-) The pve quest line brotherhood caves could be back in the pve areas

They might as well put it in the sewers or at least connected to it somehow, that way IC might not die, guessing the environment is dark enough down there as well.

altemriel

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

lucian_banneb18_ESO wrote: »

I'm very much in favor of ANY PvP Arena, be it for gold or not.
Sure it would drain people out of Cyrodiil and IC, but I'm 100% convinced that it would HUGELY boost the number of players ESO has.
And if you want people to spread into those areas, simply add various Arenas in different areas, with separate achievements for each one to stimulate players to switch between them.

Also, please Zeni, do something serious about those loading screens... I'm beginning to hate doing anything that would lead me through a loading screen.

A possible solution would be to put the Dark Brotherhood in Cyrodiil - or at least the pvp side of the Dark Brotherhood. There could be 3 underground Brotherhood caves, one near each of the 3 alliances. All of the death in Cyrodiil would attract the Night Mother :-) The pve quest line brotherhood caves could be back in the pve areas

well I do not see any problem if it even would be outside of cyrodiil, maybe in Mephala`s realm. And that it would make Cyrodiil emptier. I doubt that. The more cool features, zones, stuff is added to the game, the more people will naturally get attracted to the game and play it.

Arthur_Spoonfondle

The Dark Brotherhood and PVP Arena combat go together like Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbin (read-up on UK politics if you don't know what that means).

The Dark brotherhood are silent assassins. Please don't corrupt them with PVP.

UltimaJoe777

If the DB DLC comes anytime in the near future then count on there being no PvP relevance.

altemriel

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

The Dark Brotherhood and PVP Arena combat go together like Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbin (read-up on UK politics if you don't know what that means).

The Dark brotherhood are silent assassins. Please don't corrupt them with PVP.

well yes, but as I remember from Skyrim, they have a guild and guild areas, so it could be easily done that inside of the guild area, there will be a place, where different people from the 3 factions could come and do a 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 fights

But I would be more for placing this arenas outside of cyrodiil or both, inside and also outside. maybe even in oblivion (mephala`s realm)

terrordactyl1971

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

The Dark Brotherhood and PVP Arena combat go together like Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbin (read-up on UK politics if you don't know what that means).

The Dark brotherhood are silent assassins. Please don't corrupt them with PVP.

An assassin would still have to know how to fight. Not every assassination goes to plan, they would need to know how to handle 1 or more attackers if they are seen. They might prefer to use poisons or stab someone in their sleep, but they would still need to know how to handle open combat if something went wrong.

In terms of lore, this is 1000 years before the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim - who's to say assassination and murder didn't develop from these early fight club arenas?

altemriel

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

The Dark Brotherhood and PVP Arena combat go together like Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbin (read-up on UK politics if you don't know what that means).

The Dark brotherhood are silent assassins. Please don't corrupt them with PVP.

An assassin would still have to know how to fight. Not every assassination goes to plan, they would need to know how to handle 1 or more attackers if they are seen. They might prefer to use poisons or stab someone in their sleep, but they would still need to know how to handle open combat if something went wrong.

In terms of lore, this is 1000 years before the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim - who's to say assassination and murder didn't develop from these early fight club arenas?

I agree

Turelus

Jitterbug wrote: »

Yes!

Although I will say this... It has been incorporated into almost every signle Arena idea I've seen since launch that we should be able to bet gold on the outcome of a match - while I think it would be delightfully awesome, I will pose this question: How would ZoS go about implementing a betting system that will not be abused?

I think, for the good of our idea, and our love for an arena, we should put a pin in the betting thing.

Otherwise, yes, let's get an arena already.

They shouldn't set up a system, players should build up the systems on their own and trusted organisations for betting will continue to get customers and the ones who run off with gold burn their reputation. Maybe this is just because of my time in EVE where the players built such things and the community made its own content rather than having every system set up via developers.

terrordactyl1971

Turelus wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Yes!

Although I will say this... It has been incorporated into almost every signle Arena idea I've seen since launch that we should be able to bet gold on the outcome of a match - while I think it would be delightfully awesome, I will pose this question: How would ZoS go about implementing a betting system that will not be abused?

I think, for the good of our idea, and our love for an arena, we should put a pin in the betting thing.

Otherwise, yes, let's get an arena already.

They shouldn't set up a system, players should build up the systems on their own and trusted organisations for betting will continue to get customers and the ones who run off with gold burn their reputation. Maybe this is just because of my time in EVE where the players built such things and the community made its own content rather than having every system set up via developers.

It's not like Eve though that has open pvp throughout the world. This would require ZOS to actually program an arena that allows small scale pvp, not sure how the players can do this themselves.

altemriel

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Yes!

Although I will say this... It has been incorporated into almost every signle Arena idea I've seen since launch that we should be able to bet gold on the outcome of a match - while I think it would be delightfully awesome, I will pose this question: How would ZoS go about implementing a betting system that will not be abused?

I think, for the good of our idea, and our love for an arena, we should put a pin in the betting thing.

Otherwise, yes, let's get an arena already.

They shouldn't set up a system, players should build up the systems on their own and trusted organisations for betting will continue to get customers and the ones who run off with gold burn their reputation. Maybe this is just because of my time in EVE where the players built such things and the community made its own content rather than having every system set up via developers.

It's not like Eve though that has open pvp throughout the world. This would require ZOS to actually program an arena that allows small scale pvp, not sure how the players can do this themselves.

Well betting, I would not wanna do that at all. More I would prefer the arena to be for small scale fights, testing builds, for the fun of playing against other real players. Not for betting and winning or loosing gold. That would not interrest me at all.

Sausage

Dark Brotherhood isnt exactly brawler place. Your idea sounds like some Nord idea instead. Speaking of DB, I wonder if we can torture people in ESO.

altemriel

Sausage wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood isnt exactly brawler place. Your idea sounds like some Nord idea instead. Speaking of DB, I wonder if we can torture people in ESO.

then maybe in the Thieves guild, if not in DB.

Molag_Crow

100% with you on this, OP.

I'd absolutely love that.

Sausage

altemriel wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood isnt exactly brawler place. Your idea sounds like some Nord idea instead. Speaking of DB, I wonder if we can torture people in ESO.

then maybe in the Thieves guild, if not in DB.

ES's Thiefs are more intelligence and wit than what most people could imagine from Thiefs. They arent some low-life thugs. Thats how old-school Thiefs were anyway and ES is old-school IP.

Would it be fun if they added Nord Adventure Zone and Fist-fighting skill tree!