Counter wrecking blow

Amorpho

I'm a magicka sorcerer and so far the skill I struggle to counter the most is wrecking blow. There must be a way for me to keep these stamina 2handers at a distance, other than cast daedric minefield. Any ideas? Maybe Restraining Prison?

Turelus

Restraining Prison is an amazing skill in PvP.

Otherwise try bolting through them.

SHADOW2KK

When on my sorc I use Curse and Streak then proceed to destroy them hehe.

My main is a stamina NB so I k,now the playbook very well for Stam NBs.

Amorpho

Turelus wrote: »

Restraining Prison is an amazing skill in PvP.

Otherwise try bolting through them.

Say I cast Restraining Prison and/or Streak through and away from them. Can't they just use critical charge or some other form of gap closer and be back in my face again? Also, I wouldn't know where to slot Restraining Prison. My set-up at the moment is:
Destro bar - crushing shock, velocious curse, crystal frags, endless fury, structured entropy
Resto bar - daedric mines, healing ward, streak, hardened ward, harness magicka
Power Overload bar (optional) - inevitable detonation/restraining prison, velocious curse/endless fury, streak, hardened ward, harness magicka

Now, what skill would you give up to slot Restraining Prison? I can only think of daedric mines but I'm sure I will regret not having that baby on my bar...

rastadreadlion

Sorcs dont use Restraining Prison against me often enough. If they did, it would destroy my stamina. There are a few other counters:

Block at moment of impact and only moment of impact

Dodge roll into the WB

Streak into the WB if streak isn't on cooldown

Use Thundering Presence (magicka morph of, forget the name) to break LOS by running around/through the WBer.

Proper use of Daedric Mines. Improper use of Daedric Mines makes it easier for WBers to kill you.
The easiest way to use them properly is to use the Mage's Guild rune on top of the mines.
You can also refrain from allowing my to circle around the side of the mines, hard CC you and gap close
Don't forget that WB's range allows us to hit you from outside of the mines.

You can also design your build in such a way that you are more offensive than he is, making his WBs irrelephant

Winterpsy

Move around a lot. Bunny hop, strafe, forward, backward, dodge through the enemy player.

One thing is with wrecking blow that the user needs a couple of seconds crosshair focus on the target. If the target moves out of hit-area, the slow animation of the WB is wasted.

This ofc, wont work with skilled players, backstabbers.

Amorpho

Winterpsy wrote: »

Move around a lot. Bunny hop, strafe, forward, backward, dodge through the enemy player.

One thing is with wrecking blow that the user needs a couple of seconds crosshair focus on the target. If the target moves out of hit-area, the slow animation of the WB is wasted.

This ofc, wont work with skilled players, backstabbers.

So, if I keep moving around the enemy while he/she is charging up WB will allow me to dodge it? Also, what do you mean by being more offensive than he/she is? I am normally quite aggressive, but I am looking for a way to root/slow/drain their stamina so that they are not in my face all the time. I can streak away but they only need a gap closer to be back in my face. Can they gap-close when they are stuck in restraining prison?

Also, being a sorc my stamina pool and regen are way limited and wouldn't want to roll and block. I normally keep my stamina pool to break CC. The rest I block with hardened ward and harness magika.

On a side note, I feel WB's range should be shortened... I think it's 7m atm, which is way longer than at 2h sword!

Septimus_Magna

Try not to roll or block with your sorc, if you get knocked down/up break-free and enjoy your 8 second CC immunity.
Also you dont need to block because your shields (hardened ward + healing ward) should absorb most damage.

As for fighting tactics, weave crushing shock until cfrags procs, then stun them with streak and throw the cfrags in their face. The streak stun is very important because if they dont get stunned the good players will dodge the cfrags. Keep curse (plus prox deto if you have it) and mines up to increase burst damage.

It takes a lot of practice to time all the dmg to go off at the same time (I havent mastered this yet myself) but if you can do this most players will not be able to survive your burst.

The best way to practice this is to get curse and cfrags to hit at the same time while the target is stunned by streak. If you have decent spell dmg this will easily burn through 60-70% of their health.

Cody

streak, frags, any roots you can use, and use of Hardened ward should be fine. Stamblades, despite what countless people on here say, lack any kind of good sustainability. The other WB spammer you can face is likely a stam DK, but dragon blood wont work very well for them, so just watch for scales and keep pressure on them. Most stam users also lack good damage shields, so they cant block out the pressure.

Johngo0036

As a sorc you do not really need to drain their stamina,

You can nuke them withing 5 hits..

Don't go defensive on them,
keep them under pressure and make,
Remember that with wrecking blow moving around does not really help you much, you have to walk through them..

Put down your daedric mines and move around them trying to get him to put a foot wrong,
but keep up the pressure on him with curse and crushing shock and mages fury/endless fury...

And keep your wards up that is ultimately what willl save you..

my main is a NB and i think very hard and long before i take on a sorc.... shields many shields to get through before i can damage them..

Levo18

Keep curse and mines up and try to stay in him or walk through him he cant hit u

Amorpho

Other than restraining prison I dnt have any roots as a sorc. I guess I should just keep doing what I do but just keep practicing. Thanks for all the tips guys.

rastadreadlion

Amorpho wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Move around a lot. Bunny hop, strafe, forward, backward, dodge through the enemy player.

One thing is with wrecking blow that the user needs a couple of seconds crosshair focus on the target. If the target moves out of hit-area, the slow animation of the WB is wasted.

This ofc, wont work with skilled players, backstabbers.

So, if I keep moving around the enemy while he/she is charging up WB will allow me to dodge it? Also, what do you mean by being more offensive than he/she is? I am normally quite aggressive, but I am looking for a way to root/slow/drain their stamina so that they are not in my face all the time. I can streak away but they only need a gap closer to be back in my face. Can they gap-close when they are stuck in restraining prison?

Also, being a sorc my stamina pool and regen are way limited and wouldn't want to roll and block. I normally keep my stamina pool to break CC. The rest I block with hardened ward and harness magika.

On a side note, I feel WB's range should be shortened... I think it's 7m atm, which is way longer than at 2h sword!

Moving in a circular fashion is somewhat effective, but you really need major expedition when you're doing it. Running through the WBer to his rear is what will decast his WB because it breaks LOS.

Like most other PvPers out there, I am running with ~2k+ stamina regen, so playing the long game against me isn't going to bring you victory. You can still keep restraining prison up on me to force me to dodge roll, however, it would help. Inexperienced stamina guys can be forced to dodge roll away most of their reserves, but like previous posts mention the long game probably isn't the best strategy. In fact, the long game is one of the ways I kill sorcs. It works for me because your stamina reserves are so much worse than mine. So if you play the long game too, you are actually helping me implement by own strategy.

When I saw you should be more offensive than the stamina guy, what I mean is that you can try and get your spell power high enough that you can trade WB for Crushing Shock and kill him anyway. In addition to that, the psychological effect of keeping your attacks on him can easily cause him to become defensive.

LoreRiley

Amorpho wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Restraining Prison is an amazing skill in PvP.

Otherwise try bolting through them.

Say I cast Restraining Prison and/or Streak through and away from them. Can't they just use critical charge or some other form of gap closer and be back in my face again? Also, I wouldn't know where to slot Restraining Prison. My set-up at the moment is:
Destro bar - crushing shock, velocious curse, crystal frags, endless fury, structured entropy
Resto bar - daedric mines, healing ward, streak, hardened ward, harness magicka
Power Overload bar (optional) - inevitable detonation/restraining prison, velocious curse/endless fury, streak, hardened ward, harness magicka

Now, what skill would you give up to slot Restraining Prison? I can only think of daedric mines but I'm sure I will regret not having that baby on my bar...

Harness

Tankqull

Amorpho wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Move around a lot. Bunny hop, strafe, forward, backward, dodge through the enemy player.

One thing is with wrecking blow that the user needs a couple of seconds crosshair focus on the target. If the target moves out of hit-area, the slow animation of the WB is wasted.

This ofc, wont work with skilled players, backstabbers.

So, if I keep moving around the enemy while he/she is charging up WB will allow me to dodge it? Also, what do you mean by being more offensive than he/she is? I am normally quite aggressive, but I am looking for a way to root/slow/drain their stamina so that they are not in my face all the time. I can streak away but they only need a gap closer to be back in my face. Can they gap-close when they are stuck in restraining prison?

Also, being a sorc my stamina pool and regen are way limited and wouldn't want to roll and block. I normally keep my stamina pool to break CC. The rest I block with hardened ward and harness magika.

On a side note, I feel WB's range should be shortened... I think it's 7m atm, which is way longer than at 2h sword!

NBs yes(ambush/lotus fan do not respect roots as its a teleport and not a "movement") every one else not.

Amorpho

LoreRiley wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Restraining Prison is an amazing skill in PvP.

Otherwise try bolting through them.

Say I cast Restraining Prison and/or Streak through and away from them. Can't they just use critical charge or some other form of gap closer and be back in my face again? Also, I wouldn't know where to slot Restraining Prison. My set-up at the moment is:
Destro bar - crushing shock, velocious curse, crystal frags, endless fury, structured entropy
Resto bar - daedric mines, healing ward, streak, hardened ward, harness magicka
Power Overload bar (optional) - inevitable detonation/restraining prison, velocious curse/endless fury, streak, hardened ward, harness magicka

Now, what skill would you give up to slot Restraining Prison? I can only think of daedric mines but I'm sure I will regret not having that baby on my bar...

Harness

Really? Harness Magicka is such a good shield against magic damage!

Winterpsy

Amorpho wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Move around a lot. Bunny hop, strafe, forward, backward, dodge through the enemy player.

One thing is with wrecking blow that the user needs a couple of seconds crosshair focus on the target. If the target moves out of hit-area, the slow animation of the WB is wasted.

This ofc, wont work with skilled players, backstabbers.

So, if I keep moving around the enemy while he/she is charging up WB will allow me to dodge it?

Unless he is skilled to keep his crosshair on you while you are constantly moving out of it, the WB is cancelled, he has to start it again, which takes time.WB is very slow.
I use WB fairly often, but mostly on unaware and rooted targets, because in PVP many players move around. Never stay in one place, go through him, circle around, anything just dont give him a clear target. Same goes with Jab-spamming templars.

Alucardo

Wrecking blow is the least of my worries. Now flappy wings, that's another story - immunity against my main damaging spells.

Undefwun

Didn't read the whole thread but there been a few. All these counters are if you can see it coming.

My problem is what do I do once I been caught by the first one (from stealth or while fighting someone else) ? I just seem to not be able to get up (and use any abilities) and then i got 5 wrecking blows on my recap.

Amorpho

Undefwun wrote: »

Didn't read the whole thread but there been a few. All these counters are if you can see it coming.

My problem is what do I do once I been caught by the first one (from stealth or while fighting someone else) ? I just seem to not be able to get up (and use any abilities) and then i got 5 wrecking blows on my recap.

You just break CC (left and right trigger on Xbox, so whatever is your block and attack buttons). After that I think you are immune for 6 seconds. If you run out of stam, though, you cant CC break anymore and you are the mercy of your stam-based enemy

Undefwun

Yeah so I thought... I'm spamming break free, but not sure bout Xbox, but I seem to be down again before I am even able to roll, block, pop shields anything. Maybe because at the best of times in Cyro I am on 300 ping (yay Aussie-stan).

Although I'm assuming it's my fault somehow, it's not something I get to test for extended periods of time because I'm usually dead when caught off guard.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the actual skill if working as described. Think there is a CC immunity issue.
As for now I'll keep trying.

Titan1373

Many good answers already here. Another option is to use an ice staff with destructive reach.

Kronuxx

Amorpho wrote: »

I'm a magicka sorcerer and so far the skill I struggle to counter the most is wrecking blow. There must be a way for me to keep these stamina 2handers at a distance, other than cast daedric minefield. Any ideas? Maybe Restraining Prison?

Observed a magicka templar the other day going against two stamina users spamming WB. They couldn't touch him. He held down block and outhealed both of them, and then, when they were out of stamina (evidence by the fact that they started doing light/heavy attacks) he proceeded to destroy them. Usually people who just use WB are one trick ponies. Learn the trick they do and the fight will be easy.

You can move through the player and you can dodge roll into them, don't dodge roll away as you'll likely still be in their range.

DannyLV702

Defensive rune. Until you've tried it, you have not lived lol It will save your ass so many times. its become another permanent ability on my skill bar

Amorpho

Kronuxx wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

I'm a magicka sorcerer and so far the skill I struggle to counter the most is wrecking blow. There must be a way for me to keep these stamina 2handers at a distance, other than cast daedric minefield. Any ideas? Maybe Restraining Prison?

Observed a magicka templar the other day going against two stamina users spamming WB. They couldn't touch him. He held down block and outhealed both of them, and then, when they were out of stamina (evidence by the fact that they started doing light/heavy attacks) he proceeded to destroy them. Usually people who just use WB are one trick ponies. Learn the trick they do and the fight will be easy.

You can move through the player and you can dodge roll into them, don't dodge roll away as you'll likely still be in their range.

He must have been a stamina templar then. There's no way you can exhaust an enemy's stamina pool with blocks and dodge rolls with a magika build...

Amorpho

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Defensive rune. Until you've tried it, you have not lived lol It will save your ass so many times. its become another permanent ability on my skill bar

Because of the disorientation?

Cody

There is no longer a counter. with the stam regan bug, the spam can be infinite:(

Amorpho

Cody wrote: »

There is no longer a counter. with the stam regan bug, the spam can be infinite:(

what r u talking about??

kungmoo

Amorpho wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

There is no longer a counter. with the stam regan bug, the spam can be infinite:(

what r u talking about??

atm there is an exploit that people can use to fill their stamina almost instantly

Reznique

Streak or roll dodge and success comes with experience

BigTone

Keep hardened ward up at all times, streak through or dodge roll. Mines definitely help, but keep offensive pressure up.

On a side note, WB should be interuptable.